cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/62976508
Just 10 years ago the US was still seen as being progressive and racism was slowly becoming a thing of the past… and not even in 10 years all the major civil rights achievements of rhe past 70 years are being thrown out so fast it is making my head spin.
Racism, like the wind, has always been with us. Only a closet racist would claim otherwise.
Or just a blind and ignorant person at least
the usa was never progressive, its the most right wing country in western world. they just have a veneer of progressivism, which is nothing more than performative or virtue signalling.
if they did, they wouldnt be caving to every GOPs demands, and now MAgats just to pass a bill. the civil rights was done because they were afraid the people would start getting support from the soviets to push thier agenda.
Someone just do it already…
Racism has never been a thing of the past. Maybe in textbooks, but not in reality.
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Just 10 years ago the US was still seen as being progressive
Sorry what, by whom?
Relative to our past and relative to many other countries we were doing pretty well. Not perfect but large meaningful improvements.
Being dragged kicking and screaming into making some progress is more how I would have described the political side of that though.
which still saw america as being the greatest it had ever been in 2015. the united states has been an eternal nightmare, and the fact that the people were forcing it to be better, kicking and screaming, was the tidal shift that saw the parasites clamoring for 45.
My point was more that while parts of the population might have been progressive there were very few political figures on the progressive end of the spectrum and very few political actions.
In fact in 2016 the very slightly more progressive of the two major parties in the US felt so strongly that they needed to stop progressive movements that they nominated an extremely establishment candidate (Hillary Clinton) in an election that was clearly shaping up to be an anti-establishment election despite having a popular anti-establishment progressive candidate dropped in their lap (Bernie Sanders).
i hear you and get that’s what you’re saying. all i’m saying is is that in the history of america, that was the peak of compassion and patience in our system. and as you said, the corporations decided to make us choose between fascism immediately or fascism down the road. 10 years ago was the most progressive we’ve ever been and it was so far from good enough.
Where the fuck do you live?
We had a black president dude - twice elected!
Lmfao
except that was due to extenuating circumstances, the 08 recession, if that had not happen, obama wouldve never won.
Neither Mexico, Netherlands nor Japan have ever had a black president.
The reason is clear. The USA is better. We have all sorts of religions and cultures living together in neighborhoods. Sometimes like in Texas, those neighborhoods are silos and people do tend to stick to their own background. But 2nd gen usually intermingles and becomes part of the melting pot. Its a thing. Hopefully it never stops being a thing.
Why would countries with a much, much smaller black population percentage than the US have a black president? Not to mention that the Netherlands and Japan have a prime minister as the head of government, not a president.
Okay… Let’s have a fun contest! Who can tell me why we have black, Hispanic, Asian and such people in the US, but other countries only have whoever lived there. Do mention slavery, railroads, trade routes and poverty. Go! I’ll give you 5 minutes!
Thanks Obama
they probably mean “culturally progressive”, as in, woke leaning. bombs with rainbows painted on them.
the US was only very briefly controlled by a progressive govt and it took a great depression and threats of mob violence against the ruling class to get that much.
Tell people they’re being oppressed, they’ll become defensive, then frustrated opposition will retaliate against their fallacies, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Religion becomes more important than education, and the government gains more control over the people.
The harder non-religious people fight back, the more the government will be validated in its assertion of religious oppression.
Just stay calm and be empathetic. Use logic and love as your weapons. They say you hate them, prove to them you don’t. Your anger gives them power.
Your anger gives them power.
So does complacency.
I never said be complacent. Just be smart.
The harder non-religious people fight back, the more the government will be validated in its assertion of religious oppression.
The government will validate itself however it wants. This isn’t about religion, it’s about fear, and hatred. They have no goals other than power. They can only hold power as long as they can inspire fear and spread hatred, and so their supporters have been twisted to fear the helpless and hate the innocent.
They will not listen to your logic. If they would, we would not be here. They will not recognize your love. If they could, we would not be here.
This will not stop unless they are made to stop.
We need to move people. Millions of people will not march for love. I am all for non-violent resistance, but non-violent doesn’t mean calm.
Do you know how John Adams described the civilians who were shot and killed in the Boston Massacre?
The day that - in his words - “laid the foundation for American Independence”?
He called them a mob.
Don’t be calm. Get fucking angry.
Good luck with that. They’ll bastardize your intentions and use it for fuel for their fire. Any small act of retaliation will be blown out of proportion on Fox News. You’re exactly who they’re waiting for.
The real solution is getting somebody in office that’ll actually do shit instead of a career politician that dangles carrots for votes.
Any small act of retaliation will be blown out of proportion on Fox News.
Any act at all with be turned into reactionary fodder.
You’re looking right at a huge symptom of the problem but not seeing how deep the crisis is.
Electoralism cannot save us from fascism.
Any small act of retaliation will be blown out of proportion on Fox News
Have you turned on fox news? They’re not waiting for shit. They’re bastardizing innocent people just living their lives.
They are constantly lying to their supporters, claiming that any and all logical and loving opposition to them is outright treason.
Peaceful protestors are terrorists, lawyers and judges are criminals, doctors are murderers.
They aren’t waiting for you to fight back. They are bringing the fight to you.
Fuel for the fire. Unless you’re gonna go full civil war, you’re doing a disservice by spreading anger and hate.
Let Trump let people down. Look at Brexit. UK voted liberal this past year. Don’t help radicalism spread.
I’m not spreading hate. They are. I am spreading anger. Anger is a valid and useful human emotion. It’s an appropriate response to injustice. Anger is what gets people off the fucking couch. Good luck with your flowers, but people won’t march for love, and we need people to march.
This isn’t Bexit. Brexit wasn’t caused by a mad authoritarian with control over the world’s largest military and the world’s most militarized police. This is the Fourth Reich.
It will not stop until it is made to stop.
Let’s see if we are allowed to have midterms without Trump shutting them down first before we start banking on electoralism to save us.
1000% agree.
Logic and love, people. Don’t let them have something to dig their heels into. You can change people with logic and love. Even the most curmudgeon people can change. Empathize and remain calm and understanding. Everyone is a human being with their faults and fallacies. I know it’s hard to see it that way, and the easy path is to argue and get angry. That will not work here Keep at it with logic and love and you will move mountains, I promise you.
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To a certain extent, I agree with you. It is even in their own book— turning the other cheek. And despite everything, I think kindness always counts.
That said, there comes a point where I feel I need to see if I can drag the horse to the water rather than hoping it will follow me there. If it doesn’t, perhaps it is a lost cause and I should go find another horse. Know what I mean?
It’s just hard to find where that moment is, especially if it is family.
People who don’t want to change their minds won’t. People looking for evidence to support their bias will find it. I’m just saying don’t be that evidence.
But you’re operating from a state that, all people operate in good faith. These people will twist the narrative no matter what you do. They don’t wait for you to validate them. They twist reality and logic and manipulate events. There is no reasoning with these types. If you sit back and do nothing, they’ll twist that to their agenda just as much as if you do something. But sitting back guarantees a smooth path of no resistance, they get thier agenda easily. Resisting means they don’t get there as easily. Nobody in history made changes by sitting back and sending love vibes, my friend, I truly wish that were the case. Women lost their lives, just for the right to vote. How many rights have been removed or are under threat right now? I mean absolutely no disrespect, and I can see your logic, I just feel like maybe you aren’t personally familiar with these manipulative types. I get that you understand reactive abuse and you see they’re trying to use that, but it really doesn’t matter, they’ll do the same thing anyway, so maybe the path is somewhere in the middle, not giving them a reason, but not sitting back quietly and there’s no waiting for someone to oppose them, it’s now, right now.
„… DT and other relugous leaders …“ - WTF?
He is the messiah of his own cult, wouldn’t you call that a religious leader?
I’ve told friends that the most christian thing I did was to leave the Church. The comment has aged well.
