Dr. Lisa Anderson, 58, was born in Pennsylvania and is a U.S. citizen.
A doctor born in the United States says she received an email from federal immigration authorities demanding that she leave the country immediately.
Lisa Anderson, a physician from Cromwell, Connecticut, told NBC Connecticut on Wednesday that she recently received a letter from the Department of Homeland Security telling her, “It is time for you to leave the United States."
Immigration authorities have been pushing noncitizens to leave of their own volition, or “self-deport,” as the number of deportations remains at similar levels to last year.
If I was a Doctor, I’d just leave. Plenty of countries would welcome a doctor.
Screw the hippocraric oath, Hippocrates is dead and I’m not joining him.
In principle, yeah, but in practice all countries require re-qualification for doctors with diplomas obtained overseas. Medicine is one of the jobs that are hardest to move across national borders
That’s true, but the demand is still there, and for someone who already went through all the work of getting a PhD getting recertified isn’t that big of a deal comparatively.
yea, because MD schools might not be equivalent to those in UK/CANADA, AND USA. i heard its very hard to become a MD as an immigrant even if you have a license already, because they have those qualifications that might be above where you got your license from.
i think its different for a UK/CANADA doctor trying to become one in the US though. its very convoluted and overlycomplicated.
It can be hard to leave one’s family behind.
Usually you can bring your immidiate family members with you (spouse and children) if its an immigration visa.
As for extended family. You can apply for your parents and siblings after a certain time residing in the new country or upon becoming citizen there.
You can also stay in touch via the internet while waiting.
Well sure, but your family may not wish to come with you. They might have a whole life in the united states they are unwilling to leave behind.
That’s a decision for a family conversation.
I was in Mainland China, I didn’t make the decision to come to the US either, since I was a kid. My parents decided and that’s it. Parent’s have to make the decision about the future of their children. If the adults agree, then move. Kids will understand when they grow up.
Learning another language was rough, but eventally, I grew to like this place. Much less pollution, much more diverse people.
(It’s a shame how politics can ruin what the US could’ve been)
It isn’t politics, it’s GOP and fascist politics that ruined the US
That’s kids/adults, but consider instead 4 close siblings in their 30s with jobs, and they have to look after their aging parents.
Yea, that’s gonna be more difficult.
My aunts/uncles in China just had to take care of my Grandmother until my mom became a citizen and filed a petition for my Grandmother. And now my Grandmother is here.
My mom also filed a petition for my aunts (her sisters) and that also would include their immediate family (their husbands and their unmarried children under 21). But seeing how the politics is now in the US, I’m not sure they would want to come when they get approved (or if they would even get approved). Unlike my parents, who worked shitty jobs in China and therefore the US is a much appealing option; my aunts are teachers, so they have like government pensions and stuff, and their kids would be over 21 when they finally get off the waitlist. (They’ve been on the waitlist for like almost a decade now. A lot has changed in politics and economy.)
I mean, they talk everyday through wechat, so its not like they are far apart anyways.
And yet MAGA will wonder out loud why their doctors’ appointment wait times are getting longer and longer.
TRANS PEOPLE AND IMMIGRANTS ARE MAKING YOUR DOCTOR’S APPOINTMENTS TAKE LONGER TO SCHEDULE
done
No they won’t, they’ll just blame the Democrats.
What does the Hippocratic oath have to do with staying in the United States or leaving?
Becuase they’d be leaving a population that is gonna need be in need of doctors so it kinda goes against the part about helping people.
But like, I don’t blame them for leaving.
That’s a very broad reading of it. Most doctors would feel free to practise medicine elsewhere if politically targeted.
I mean, you’re both kind of right. I’m no doctor but it seems like something doctors (good doctors, anyway) would seriously consider in regards to this. On the one hand, they’re leaving people to the wolves. On the other, there is nothing you can do in the US if it gets that far that will outweigh the good you can do elsewhere. But then, is that actually true? This isn’t the literal same as WWII, it’s just extremely similar, a pattern we are able to recognize this time around because it happened before and was well-documented. It’s possible that this time, leaving would in fact cause more harm than good. But if you have a family… Well, I can’t blame you for protecting your own kids over your patients and their kids, as long as you don’t throw someone else under the bus.
It’s complicated. When there’s that many variables, all you can do is trust your gut. No one can predict the future that well, if at all.
Doesn’t the Hippocratic oath basically just say “Do no harm”? I don’t think you’re morally obligated to work.
many EU countries need MDs(probably best if your a speciality, and anuerosurgeon) they need to reverse the brain drain.
I would assume it’s a spam email and delete it. Are they really deporting people over email? Seems more like a postal letter kind of thing.
This is just the ammunition they’ll use when they put a bag over her head and send her to El Salvador.
“We told her she had 7 days to deport. She’s an immigrant with no due process. She didn’t listen. She’s now in CECOT. No, we can’t and/or won’t get her back, even if we’re ordered to do so.”
It’s blatant at this point.
Yep.
There’s a quote from her in the article pointing out the wording is scary for someone it’s “actually” meant for.
I think she doesn’t quite get yet that it was indeed “meant” for her, and that her citizenship doesn’t matter like she expects it to.
Cool. So when people come abduct me, I’ll shoot until I’m free or in an American court to actually have a chance to speak for my freedom.
Way to play it Nazis. I have no recourse but to shoot on sight.
If they can use a ‘feared for my life and safety’ argument, then so can I.
This is exactly what will need to happen. Eventually citizens will have to draw weapons on ICE and tell them to leave, or fire upon them. It is infinitely better to risk being arrested and have that day in court than be vanished while the nazi administration refuses court orders to return you to the US. That is 100% self defense imo.
Giving them a warning will get you killed.
If I have to die, I want it to be in a Ruby Ridge style siege
Do you think a brown person (regardless of where they were born) is capable of such a cavalier attitude in that situation? Check your privilege.
How the fuck are they getting email addresses? This is rife for abuse but I suppose that’s the point.
This part is chilling:
Anderson has been carrying her U.S. passport on her at all times since receiving the email and is seeking an immigration attorney.
There was a news report of another citizen who carried their passport but ICE confiscated it saying it was fake.
Chances are those idiots are just using a shitty LLM to parse through folders of documents and extract names, then templatize them into a form email without any validation. She could have been listed as a physician for some other person and her name showed up on some random medical document and the dumb system grabber her that way.
They’re too dumb to even comprehend what they are doing, they’re using AI like it’s canon all over the place.
This is actually great.
I mean, I know this is going to be a cynical take, but I have nothing left but cynicism towards my country.
If the administration starts persecuting white Americans, that’s far more likely to rile up middle-class, liberal America than if people with “exotic” names like 'Garcia" get deported. It sucks but it’s true, our country is built on a foundation of mildly xenophobic middle-class liberals who don’t really care what happens politically until they feel personally threatened, and at this point I really, really want them to feel the danger so there’s some chance of recovering this tragic slide back into the fucking dark-ages.
TIL that “Garcia” is an “exotic” name!
Just saying it out loud could get ICE knocking on your door.
If the administration starts persecuting white Americans, that’s far more likely to rile up middle-class
Does this matter at this point? What are middle class Americans going to do about it? Vote?
“Liberal America” isn’t a group of people in the abstract, these are our judges, our lawyers, our civil servants and our accountants and our food drivers. There is great power in that, which is why so many people desperate to hold onto their wealth for so long have worked so hard to make us all think that kind of power isn’t as good as money or fame. When it’s far, far more powerful.
Someone wrote a book about it once, spawned a few big movements. Might have heard of it.
Maybe it will be midterm votes, maybe it will be marches and protests, maybe it will be full on riots. Do not underestimate what happens when enough people start to worry about their safety, security and where their next meal will come from.
Someone wrote a book about it once, spawned a few big movements. Might have heard of it.
A few people wrote a few books, certainly.
Maybe it will be midterm votes, maybe it will be marches and protests, maybe it will be full on riots.
I mean, you’re describing the 2008 to 2016 arc for liberal Democrats. The problem is that eight years of voting, marching, protesting, and - ultimately - rioting only ever seemed to move Democrats to the right.
By the time Hillary’s failed 2008 bid had been resurrected, she was more hawkish than the “Oops, sorry, but I’m not sorry” candidate that lost to Obama eight years earlier. She was worse on civil rights. She was worse on public health care and education. She was worse on policing and immigration and trade and employment. She was worse on environmentalism. And she wasn’t alone.
All because the degree of lobbying and corporate media had amplified itself, to the point at which DC Dems were absolutely deafened by it.
I don’t see any of that changing. If anything, I see “Liberal America” increasingly tainted by the fascist fill inundating DC. More lay people are convinced MS-13 is around every corner and China is an existential threat to American Freedom^™. More media is plugging a liberalized version of libertarian capitalism, with privatized subscriptions for every public service. More revanchists popping up in liberal circles saying how Transgenderism is an attack on women’s rights and being a celebrity billionaire is the highest goal of any true feminist.
It’s fucking bleak out there
Time to muddy the waters. Everyone who is an immigrant (legal or illegal) when asked for an email address, find an email address of an executive at a large corporation and use that.
The last two I read weren’t immigrants, they are born in the U.S. with social security numbers and birth certificates. Well I’m assuming this one has those, being that she’s born and is a doctor here. Practicing doctors require background checks
honest question: did you respond to the wrong person?
If they did, this is a f-ing miracle. Imma do it next time I sign up for a service that doesn’t require confirmation emails to change the address (they’re rare but there’s a few, lemmy/kbin instances are sometimes among them).
No, their reply made perfect sense. We could just use repub official emails for EVERYBODY, not just immigrants, in order to mess up the system scraping this information for everybody and not just immigrants.
The famous quote about Nazis, “First they came for…” is being realized at intense pacing.
Fuck fascists and their garbage Nazi AI injection into government systems. All Nazis are garbage and the exception to the rule about acceptance and inclusion. GTFO!
Death to Nazis!
If this is against mods policy go ahead and delete but… seriously.
Nah fuck that
That is an excellent platform.
Due process to Nazis.
It’s just my opinion and I don’t advocate violence, but for me, “due process For Nazis”=pulling back the hammer.
I think that’s what he was saying, but either way…
Sorry for late response. Not what I am saying at all. Everybody gets due process. If you want to exempt Nazis, then we have to rely on your judgement of who is a Nazi. No thanks. That’s like relying on the Trump administration to determine who is in MS-13 and not have to prove it.
Castration for pedophiles without trial! Uh, what if when you look more closely at the case, the evidence that the suspect was a pedophile falls apart? Just because the crime is heinous doesn’t mean the suspect is guilty.
You’re not wrong. If being a Nazi is a death sentence, then you better have a good definition of Nazi and you should prove your case. That said, if you are Nazi-adjacent and throwing up HH or sending people to death camps, you’re telling on yourself and fuck any technicality. You and I can recognize evil that the law can’t. And I’m kinda okay with that.
When a bunch of Nazis start getting killed, I’ll start looking closer. But to date, no Nazis have gotten killed in about 75 years for just being a Nazi, and that number is far, far too low.
I respect your point of view and the world needs people less biased than me. But my opinion isn’t changing.
The difference between today’s Republican Party and the Nazi Party is just temporal and geographical. Same ethics.
“ethics”
intense pacing? it’s a gd speedrun of it is what it is
I wonder what her political views are?
This also happened to a practicing immigration lawyer: https://bsky.app/profile/nicolemicheroni.bsky.social/post/3lmpvej6vn22t
Another one?
Must be a “coincidence”
I always suspected it’s because the immigration lawyer is probably the person they’re supporting is their secondary email.
What’s as bizarre as anything else about this is that they are sending these to people via email. Like she says, most people will just think it’s spam. What official US government organization has ever before sent official legal stuff via email? None. Until now.
The idea that if you don’t see an email threatening to arrest or deport you, because it was filtered as spam or looks like spam or was sent to an old email you don’t even use anymore or any number of things related to email being an unreliable way to contact someone, is scary.
I also read somewhere that some govt agency (don’t recall which, I think it was a health agency?) would now be posting all official notices on X instead of on their own official website!!!
It sets up a situation where anyone could misrepresent the government and send these types of emails out to harass people.
Pretty sure that’s the point
I also read somewhere that some govt agency (don’t recall which, I think it was a health agency?)
Social Security Administration
I know a lot of terrible things are going on but it’s stuff like this that also eats at my brain. It’s so incredibly stupid, pointless and is petty the right word?
gets old ppl on X and into the fascist disinfo pipelines is my guess as to why
Or it gets old people screwed out of their Social Security because the new rules and guidelines to continue receiving payments was posted on X, and they don’t have an X account because they are 80 fucking years old and don’t use the internet.
Exactly.
a little column a, a little column b
thats why scientists and MDs are the first to flee a dictatorship before shit hits the fan, and people were complaining they should stay and fight. they dint go to school and act like country bumpkins.
I have an idea
But I’m not sure yet whether a government telling a citizen to GTFO NAO is enough persecution and threat to warrant giving refug— doctor, you say? Let’s show you to some housing for while you sit the re-cert exam.
Man the Canadian side of the falls is super nice, too. They have it all built out, Id deport there if given the option. I’m definitely going to ride the purple moose this time, though, and no, that’s not code for heroin.
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That immigration authorities are intimidating citizens, you goon
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Or a mistake.
Yea, an “administrative error,” like what landed that one gentleman in El Salvador, right?
Trump is absolutely doing that. Did you completely ignore Trump’s “homegrown” statement?
Wanna know how I can tell you didn’t read the article?
If a non-personal email — such as an American citizen contact — was provided by the alien, notices may have been sent to unintended recipients, It does make me concerned there’re a lot more people out there like me who probably also thought this was spam, who probably didn’t realize, ‘I have a problem,’
Having a mistake in this situation makes it less clear whether other messages are legitimate or not, so we might see more cases like those described around https://www.yahoo.com/news/black-people-receiving-racist-text-012451742.html
What a weak response by officials. It may have been in error? They can’t even admit that they are terrorizing citizens?
Everybody is assuming that this is the result of this administration’s virtuosic incompetence, but it is equally possible that these people have been specifically targeted. The last one was an immigration attorney, so that seemed to indicate they were harrassing someone who was opposing them. I wonder if they have some bizarre reason to target this woman.
Conceivably it is both. There’s a Dr. Lisa Anderson on a list somewhere for some reason and the admin simply does not care if they sent the letter to the right person.
Similarly, when the ICE agents kick down her door, they won’t care if she’s the right person either.
“Fuck it, take her anyway.”
Admitting to a mistake weakens their idea of authority. Authority, any authority, will do anything before they admit to a mistake. If you’ve ever put at a disadvantage because of an authority’s mistake, you know how it goes.
That’s essentially a real quote:
“No, he’s not the one,” one ICE agent reportedly said.
“Take him anyway,” the other replied.
Yeah, that’s what made me think of it.
“We get to boost our numbers and hit that quota easier and she was probably a communist Democrat anyway, win-win.”
It says it right in her title, “Dr”. Sounds like an open and shut case - pro-vaxer, poisoning and gayifying american children with 5G microchips, and very probably cutting men’s dicks off so they can go into the women’s toilet to rape people.
I think ICE should self deported, but that’s just me. Maybe we can start with Elon FuckStick since he overstayed his visa when he first came to the U.S.
At this point, I wish the ICE site to be hacked and prominent Rebublicans to be put on “the list”.
