That’s fucking wild! Mexico is not South Sudan or Afghanistan, failed states ruled by warlords. It will start with “we’re only targetting cartels” and conclude with “these terrorists are purposely using hospital staff as human shields, what would you have us do?!”
Israel a better example.
failed states ruled by warlords
Do you have any idea how many candidates get murdered in elections in Mexico?
Or Russia?
Weird non-sequitur, but okay.
Perhaps I misunderstood what you meant, but my point is that there are other countries that have similar issues to Mexico, but we don’t bomb them.
Russia doesn’t share a border with your country, while being home to a number of brutal cartels run by ex US military special forces.
Also, we are literally bombing Russia by proxy right now.
Russia has nuclear weapons, which is the main reason.
And Putin is a great person and Orange’s friend according to Orange.
Biden didn’t bomb Russia either, this is a bipartisan policy.
Of course you can’t just bomb Russia. I’m merely saying that the Orange has further incentives.
Nobody gets murdered in Russia. They just accidentally fall out of windows because they’re clumsy.
Mexico is not South Sudan or Afghanistan, failed states ruled by warlords
I’ll note that for the latter, it’s a failed state ruled by warlords because the US rolled in and fucked everything up.
No, it’s a failed state because the cartels have more power than the government. Stop blaming your own country, traitor.
Afghanistan was all fucked up long before that.
I mean it wasn’t exactly a shining example of progress and order, but it wasn’t a failed state.
Arguably, Afghanistan has never been united as a nation in the way we think about it, at least not for long. The cycle seems to be short decades of control under some power followed by decades of decentralization and local powers.
But Taliban was in power before the 2001 invasion.
Okay, and? Like them or hate them (jk you should hate them) but they had a state; it wasn’t “a failed state ruled by warlords”.
That’s debatable
No it’s not? A failed state is one in which the state can’t punish a significant amount of non-state sanctioned violence, which wasn’t the case in Afghanistan.
I suppose if you use that definition then when America invaded it became a failed state run by warlords and now it has recovered.
Yeah exactly. Now, being a non-failed state, they can start the long, gruelling process of cultural and political evolution. That’s why you’re hearing about Afghani human rights activists now but not ten years ago.
“this film is dedicated to the brave mujahideen fighters of afghanistan”
This statement is only relevant if your knowledge of history started in 1980.
I mean given that the war on terror started in 2001, we don’t need to go back any further than 1980.
Well then, I guess it was perfect and stable prior to 2001, no need to investigate further!
the only warlords governing afghanistan were the US.
Scare tactics 101 by the left.
Wild take here but I don’t really think the US should be bombing ANY other nation.
Not even Israeli or Russian troops in Palestine or Ukraine?
The US could just stop sending weapons to Israel and the fighting will stop too. As for Ukraine, Zelensky has tried to make deals with Russia before and the West told him not to because they promised they’d continue backing him with more weapons that would give them the edge, which the US is obviously reneging on now (which, to be fair, is something Trump sort of said he’d do, so you could argue that’s been democratically decided).
Agreed on Israel, but you are WILDLY misrepresenting the context and tenor of the Ukrainian war.
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/05/5/7344206/
They were close to a deal during a relative high water mark (Ukraine had just taken Kharkiv back and a huge chunk of the east). They’ve only gone backwards since and whatever deal they can get now will most likely be worse.
Cool source broI was wrong, this is independent of Pravda in Russia. My bad.
So a Ukrainian news paper isn’t good enough? I can find other sources for the same story if you like. Or you can search for stories that explore the background of Johnson’s sudden Kyiv trip yourself.
Pravdas Ukrainian now? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda
Shit, my bad dude. You’re right, it’s independent of Pravda in Russia.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/04/29/opinion/story-their-lives/
They were not close to a deal. Putin’s desired endgame is “I own Ukraine”. Ukraine’s desired endgame is “Ukraine continues to exist and isn’t constantly hammered by Russian missiles and bombs”. There’s not really much room for negotiation there. Moreover, Putin has negotiated in demonstrably bad faith multiple times over the course of the war (and I mean since 2014, when they used unmarked soldiers to annex parts of Ukraine and “held a referendum”). I’m not claiming Ukraine is a flawless paragon of virtue, but at the same time, there are VERY clear good guys and bad guys in the Ukrainian government war. Russia is the bad guys.
I didn’t ever say the Russians were the good guys. I’m saying the West is happy to keep Ukrainians fighting and dying for geopolitical reasons. Zelensky was elected on a platform of making a deal and ending the war, and he wasn’t allowed to do that by the West.
Eventually there will be a peace, and even though it would be fair that Ukraine gets all its territory back, realistically that’s not going to happen (and if it did, there’s the question of what happens to all the Russian speakers in those areas). The deal he could’ve gotten right after the failed Russian invasion would’ve been better than whatever he can get now, especially with Trump now basically being in Putin’s side.
It’s just a case of the US continuing to push too far thinking you can just beat Russia with better technology, even though history has shown that Russian leaders are perfectly happy to just throw men into the battle until the enemy runs out of ammo.
Do you believe Ukrainians have no agency? Nobody but Russia is forcing them to fight.
Correct. The US should stick to the tried and true method of supplying the weapons, teaching users how to maximize their effectiveness, and assist in the logistics of the altercations.
Or just stop sticking our nose into everyone else’s business.
Into Russia’s business? Because assisting Ukraine is not “sticking our nose in” their business any more than the fire department is sticking their nose in your business when you call to report a fire.
Whoa! Calm down!
Haha I respect that
