A bizarre racist outburst at a Texas school board isn’t an isolated event — it’s part of a national pattern
thats not new at all, I remember there being traces of that still in everyday interactions as a kid. Theres nothing new about the hate they are spewing, thats what makes it extra vile to me.
it is just a lot more in the open now. And sadly most of people I know genuinely side with right most out of believe that it is the more neutral or agenda free stance.
Then those people are stupid as fuck. No way around it.
Bears deserve better than to be associated with these freaks.
Freaks deserve better than to be associated with these… entities.
How about a less biased source? I don’t think salon could say something positive about a conservative parent if they wanted to…
Are you claiming they didn’t quote them accurately or that they didn’t spin the story to make racists look like the good guys?
We don’t know what we don’t know - I would begin with a less biased source or include two sources with contrary biases.
What’s there to say? There’s a reasonable, economically conservative party in America, and it’s called the Democratic Party.
Nice comment to break your Lemmy cherry on btw. Defending an outright segregationist, if you had read the article.
Hey thanks! It’s great to be here.
I think it’s important to exercise some intellectual humility and be open to other sources and be willing to question information that we agree with if it’s coming from a single source - especially if that source has an open bias.
it’s part of a national pattern
It is THE national pattern. Race was invented by the society that colonized this land and setup this nation. The concept of the white race was invented right here in settler colonies before the USA even existed. It’s not just a national pattern, it’s literally the fabric of the nation.
Race was invented by the society that colonized this land and setup this nation. The concept of the white race was invented right here in settler colonies before the USA even existed. It’s not just a national pattern, it’s literally the fabric of the nation.
What?
You think racism didn’t exist until Europeans settled America?
Fucking India had a legal caste system based on amount of skin pigment centuries before that, and “you look different so you’re an enemy” has been a part of human history long before we even knew how to write shit down.
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Nevermind just saw the lemmygrad.ml, that explains your comment.
It sucks even tho I block all communities on there I still see comments from that shitshow
Why not block the instance?
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If there was a way without downloading an app I’d be down.
I don’t see the point in using apps for webpages, but lemmygrad might eventually make me change my mind. I’d probably just join an instance smart enough not to federate with them first tho
Oh I didn’t know you couldn’t do it on the web page, I’ve only used an app (connect) since I joined after the fall of rif.
Still a little fuzzy on how the fediverse works.
Lemmygrad is wrong about a lot of things, but they’re not wrong about this. It’s important to learn from the past so it does not keep repeating.
The concept of the “white race” was developed in the 17th century with the Atlantic slave trade. It is indeed a product of British colonization. The concept literally didn’t exist before this. Before the 17th century, people who we would now think of as white identified mainly by nationality and religion.
The concept of whiteness as being a distinct and unifying factor among people from a variety of countries led to the field of scientific racism, which went on for around 2 centuries. This is where terms like “Caucasian” came from. Scientific racism was used as a reason by the Nazis to murder millions of Jews. Now in the 21st century, we know it is pseudoscience even though its terminology lingers.
This doesn’t mean that people were blind to skin color before 17th century colonialism, as you pointed out with the Indian caste system that dates back as far as 3300BC. You can see in ancient Egyptian art a wide array of colored skin as well. From Egyptian literature, there aren’t signs they really obsessed over it the way society does now.
I think we can all agree that things didn’t go too well for non-white people after the invention of whiteness. The concept was founded in oppression and helps perpetuate oppression.
Where are you getting this “quality” education?
They may be a tankie but they’re not wrong that modern concept of race was invented as a part of the European slave trade and colonialism. I don’t think the United States has ever adequately reckoned with that fact as evidenced by this Karen Komittee crying about a fucking poster.
I’ll make this one easy for you. The Guardian is a garbage white supremacist liberal rag that does the bidding of North Atlantic imperialists. But here’s a shit article they wrote that explains this particular thing: https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/apr/20/the-invention-of-whiteness-long-history-dangerous-idea
Here’s the subtitle: “Before the 17th century, people did not think of themselves as belonging to something called the white race. But once the idea was invented, it quickly began to reshape the modern world”
That’s right. There was no such thing as the white race until the 1600s. And here’s the relevant excerpt:
[…] the plantation owners initially sought to protect themselves by giving their “Christian” servants legal privileges not available to their enslaved “Negroes”. The idea was to buy off the allegiance of indentured Europeans with a set of entitlements that, however meagre, set them above enslaved Africans. Toward the end of the 17th century, this scheme witnessed a significant shift: many of the laws that regulated slave and servant behaviour – the 1681 Servant Act in Jamaica, for example, which was later copied for use in South Carolina – began to describe the privileged class as “whites” and not as “Christians”.
Whiteness, white supremacy, was invented in the new settler state that became the USA. It was an extension of European supremacy and part of the liberalization process that was occurring throughout Europe as the “age of discovery” began lifting the merchant class into positions of power. This new financial class sought new social forms that would allow them to supplant kings while still maintaining the power structures they needed to continue extending their dominance across the world. Since kings were kings by divine right, they were literally working against a social fiction that required them to attack religion, which was impossible, so they needed new systems that directed power away from religious explanations. They needed to maintain Christianity as a power structure but divorce it from kings. Thus, from the 17th century onward, an entirely new system of racialization was devised and expanded including things like race science, anthropology, cherrypicking from religious and philosophical traditions, eventually incorporating Drawinian theory, and focused entirely on making the imperial project manageable.
In the US you see this pretty damningly with regards to the native population. They were a different race, they were not Christians, they needed to be mass murdered, their lands needed to be blighted and destroyed, their ways of life (plants, animals, and water) needed to be made extinct and poisoned beyond repair. To do this, the US needed to field a military into the frontier. That’s the source of every town named “Fort Something”. Those forts were created to exterminate and oppress native Americans. Those towns never stopped being that. It’s just that they were victorious in their extermination campaigns. The laws are still on the books. The police force is still descended from the institutions of genocide. The roads, ports, prisons, residential neighborhoods, waterways, industrial zones, and agricultural zones around those towns are the living embodiment of the displacement efforts that trace themselves back to the frontier forts and their genocidal program, founded on racism.
And even The Guardian, shite rag that it is, is able to write about it.
Racism also wasn’t invented solely by “white” people. That kind of myopic thinking is a big factor in why we can’t get over that shit.
Tribalism has been a way of life since life began on this rock.
Racism and tribalism are not the same thing at all.
You’re right that they’re not exactly the same, but they are intrinsically linked. Racism is an advanced form where, instead of just and us-vs-them mentality is used to protect against invaders, it is weaponized as tool to use lower echelons on the class hierarchy against themselves to empower the upper class and keep the masses from realizing how shit they have it.
Tribalism is the root instinct that drives it, its just been modified for use in class warfare.
This is a lie white people use to justify their systems and make themselves feel better.
Racism, as we understand it, is a historical system that was, in fact, invented soley by white male Europeans and their descendants for the purposes of managing their empire.
Tribalism isn’t racism. Racism uses tribalist tendencies to achieve its aims. Racism is a very specific historical phenomenon.
Why is looking at the root cause of something a “justification” in your mind? If all we do is react to what’s happening now instead of finding out how to prevent it from happening in the future, we’re just fighting a losing war of attrition for the sake of ideology. In order to solve this problem we need to look at more than just the surface, and do more than just point fingers at everyone else.
Why is looking at the root cause of something a “justification” in your mind?
Have you ever heard of a leading question? This is an example of one, because you assume tribalism to be the root cause of racism. What evidence do you have to support this argument? Why does tribalism exist for tens or hundreds of millennia but racism only get constructed as capitalism is in the process of emerging from feudalism? Doesn’t sound at all like tribalism is the root cause of racism.
If all we do is react to what’s happening now instead of finding out how to prevent it from happening in the future, we’re just fighting a losing war of attrition for the sake of ideology
Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. Don’t react to people “being racist” as though it’s just individual behaviors. See it as a historical process. When you see it as a historical process, you see that racism is THE national pattern of the USA, because the USA emerged in the same context that racism was being constructed in. It’s accurate to say that the USA and racism are deeply related because racism was being invented as part of the colonial project and the USA emerged from the colonial project and because racism was being invented as part of the capitalist project and the USA emerged and extended and ultimately maximized the capitalist project.
In order to solve this problem we need to look at more than just the surface, and do more than just point fingers at everyone else.
Do you think that seeing racism as a system that was constructed by Europeans as they entered the 1400s and through to the present day is looking at just the surface or pointing fingers at everyone else? Really? That’s your assessment of that position? Well, blow me down, I don’t really know what to say to that.
It seems to me that saying “racism is just tribalism and everyone engaged in tribalism” is quite literally a surface level analysis that quite literally points the fingers at everyone else. Your assessment is pretty on the nose for exactly the position you hold. But I’ve come to expect projection from white liberals at this point. You seem incapable of seeing the irony of accusing me of the very thing you are doing.
“Oh no, that’s just sparkling tribalism. REAL racism comes from the Champagne region…”
They are linked, but they’re talking about how modern race ideas are evidenced in racism. It used to be that Irish people weren’t considered white even though they largely have pale skin. Today that’s a very weird idea because of course Irish people are white. But that wasn’t the case when the US was getting a mass of immigrants. Yes, people were bigots hundreds of years ago. Yes, racism and tribalism are linked, but the sheer concept of being white, black, red, yellow, etc didn’t exist until relatively recently.
LOL what do you think these settlers came from? It sounds like you’re telling me Columbus wasn’t a racist until he landed here.
Racism is not the same as personal bigotry. Whether Columbus was “racist” or not is irrelevant. European society was still developing racism as a system back in the 1400s. The concept of blood quantums, however, was developed around the same time Columbus was alive. So yes, there was systemic racism in Europe during Columbus’s time, but there wasn’t a “white race” concept at the time. It was mostly smaller races of different countries and what bound them all together was Christianity. White was explicitly codified as a concept in law in the Americas.
You have to explain that your basing the definition of racism from a sociological textbooks. The Oxford definition does not require the prejudice race to be in control of the society of the persecuted race.
Tell me again why they aren’t nazis
I mean, some of them are. Many of them are nazi-lite. They get upset if you point it out, though. A lot of them probably believe they are fine upstanding patriots. A few can be talked to, and some can even change, but most just dig in deeper, so the problem doesn’t seem likely to go away; it seems to be getting worse.
I’m ok for removing nazi-lite at the same time as nazi, though.
If anyone didn’t see this coming then they’re beyond deluded.
Hope y’all realize this is just rage bait. Like when conservative bloggers pass of a couple of tweets from tankies as the official stance for every Democrat and left wing movement.
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Lol ok what’s your solution for two brainwashed racist assholes who made the statements the blogger quoted? What should we do to them other then get upset and curse their names?
Oh, but you are also decrying any reaction at all.
Saying something is not acceptable is action.
Nope I think we need to start going after the big fish that incited the culture war bullshit. These two racist will most likely be voted out soon, but in the process the article just created more noise in place filled with people yelling already.
So your solution is to yell at the people yelling and then feel smug about your enlightened stance?
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Dope guy makes sense but that still doesn’t change my opinion that the article is rage bate on the level conservatives put out. Frankly I think it’s rage bait to sway minority groups back to the democratic party since trans people have been unfortunately the scape goat republicans use since Trump’s comments about Mexicans have backfired. Republicans have been gaining support from certain minority groups since that story has died down and democratic have noticed. And no I’m not advocating for tolerance of the intolerant. I just don’t believe we should make a big deal about a couple of idiots comments because when something actual note worthy happens it will just becomes more noise in the constant news of culture war.
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Didn’t miss the point. The reason these idiots even have a platform is because you and OP are giving it to them. Your falling for the rage bait and spreading it through a post just how conservatives started to spread bullshit on Facebook. Unless your following up with an actual call for action your just spreading their message and so far alot of responses on this post have been just “fuck em”.
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Two brainwashed racist assholes on a school board. They are directly affecting the lives of children. And you don’t think we should care?
And these brain-wormed zombies are trying to get elected to school boards across the country in a coordinated effort. This isn’t some isolated incident.
Hey bud you should care but unless you’re a local or planning on movie to Conroe, your comment will not do nothing but stroke your ego. Enjoy them fake internet points your earned by showing how upset you are on place filled with like minded people.
OPPOSE THEM.
Vote them out. Call them out on every platform available, don’t take their bullshit excuses for reasons; dig deeper. Identify the groups they call home and write exposes. Rub their noses in the issues they’re afraid to own: show the world what and who they are. If their ugliness and connections are on display they lose the chance to rope in the unknowing because now everyone knows.
“We can’t do anything” is the siren call of the couchsitter who finds that a more comfortable place than the fence.
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Fuck these racist bigots
Thats not “anti woke” thats just racism dumb ass
To be fair, racism is absolutely one of the core values of anti woke ideology.
My wife tells me she thinks that I am being over dramatic when I say we need to start thinking about exit strategies for fleeing the US, and then stuff like this pops up.
You’re not being overdramatic. I’ve been thinking about an exit since 2020. I plan to have it figured out in advance of the next election so that I can flip a switch and go. Don’t wait for disaster. Have an exit decided and hope you don’t need it.
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Lol! I was born in Ukraine, my best friend was born in Venezuela.
What a bunch of crap.
I’m mixed and I get along pretty well with myself. Suck it Texas.
This is my favorite part about racists worrying about white people becoming a minority. It’s only because they don’t consider mixed kids as their progeny. Your “white” genes aren’t being murdered by “black” genes inside your grandaughter. They’re both just kinda in there and that’s fine.
You can’t explain this to these people.
Four indictments on Donald Trump and they still think it’s a conspiracy.
Dungan’s behavior is a perfect illustration of the “anti-woke” tap dance. The person alleging nefarious wokeness never admits to their own bigotry, instead pretending that they’re reacting to “woke” people who are “pushing” an agenda, in this case through innocuous poster art.
That is a very good take.
Also: it’s always projection. Conservatives push an agenda, so they assume everyone else does too.
I really want people to start considering “woke” a slur. Its basically just a word the far right uses for people they don’t like, aka minorities.
I really want people to learn the actual meaning of the word - it really says it all. And normally I argue for lingual drift and accepting the changed meaning of words, but in this case most people don’t know the definition, but aside from a racial/identity implication, they’re using it mostly correctly
Woke means looking at the system critically, not believing the things politicians and public officials tell you at face value, seeing how it’s all designed to turn us against each other so we never attempt meaningful change.
In a phrase, it means “wake up to the lies and think for yourself”
Even disregarding all bigotry and racism that this screams of, it’s dumb af because kids can be friends with FUCKING rocks. It’s pretty much their superpower.
Rocks, butterflies, smear on the window or imaginary. But a different skin colour? Oh my gosh, never!
Banning rocks next.
I know a kid who had pill bug friends in 7th grade… 🤓