So three men just kidnapped a dude.
They need to be banned from doing this in plain clothes. At minumim. At best ICE needs to be abolished.
They need to be arrested as attempted kidnappers or shot if they don’t surrender. Then they need to be prosecuted as kidnappers.
Just figure out their names and living places. Once the shit is over, hunt them. All of them. And do whatever you like with them.
At best ICE and DHS officials should be tried in a Nuremberg style court.
First, this is straight up Nazi secret police stuff. Second how did the court know these guys weren’t confederates of the folks in court intending a jail break. Where the FUCK were the bailiffs in this unlawful seizure?
What alarmed Nicholas Reppucci, head of the Charlottesville Office of the Public Defender, is that the enforcers called in to detain the two men in the city Tuesday morning were wearing plain clothes and did not display badges or arrest warrants.
Presumably, the courthouse is filled with cops and others with arrest authority, so why did they allow two men in plainclothes without badges or warrants leave with two people?
If the DOGE pirates had been gunned down in the first lobby the invaded, it would have ended there, or at least gone down a different path.
We should not be normalizing this behavior, and setting precedents. Without a badge, you will not be listened to, and you will leave the building immediately. Without a warrant, you will not be putting your hands on any person. If you attempt to bypass either requirement, you will be arrested. And if you attempt to do enforce your demands by force, you will be shot.
On the plus side, if anybody reading this ever has reason to think that they might need to go into a police station and remove someone being held there, apparently if you and a friend or two look sufficiently the part, you can just walk in, in plainclothes, and claim to be Homeland Security, and just… take a dude and leave.
I wish they did have the guts to shoot the DOGE team. Especially since the DOGE goons have literally dragged people out and probably physically assaulted others.
Jaw dropping that the US is so far gone some of its citizens are calling for the shooting of people in government buildings. That’s right! You can now live in a country where you are free to fire off rounds at will! Starbucks messed up your mocha latte? Cap off a few rounds and they’ll never make that mistake again!
When they are disappearing people with no due process, the only logical response is violence. Gtfo of here with that dumb shit.
I think I’m going to have to seriously think about packing heat on regular basis for the exact scenario the 2nd amendment was written to cover.
Not a bad idea, at this point. Just keep it at home, and only have it to defend yourself or others. It is always morally correct to stop a Gestapo agent through any means necessary.
I mean, isn’t this the exact scenario they wrote in the Second Amendment for? Can’t say this reaction is surprising given it’s at the roots of the country and extensively defended by the Founding Fathers
If you actually read the second amendment, its whole purpose is to keep the government in check.
Yeah, funny how the boot lickers forget their whole wet dream of being the ones that rise up, means they need to rebel against the tyrant Trump and his dumbshit sycophants.
perhaps you should actually read what he said there instead of jumping to insane conclusions
Imagine trusting the government this much
The knock-on effect of this now would discourage undocumented migrants even just trying to engage with the legal system, being a witness or even reporting on crimes. For people on the fringes of a society it could lead to even worse exploitation and marginalization
Working as intended
While we aren’t seeing it now, it will be a matter of time before those marginalized people start packing and start shooting. Especially when they realize it is a fate worse than death or even just death if they comply.
Questioning the security of the courthouse if you can just do that
I live here, and I actually called the Sheriff and yelled at her about this. She said these ICE Nazis showed her deputies ID and warrants, and that she couldn’t stop them from entering. She has met with the judges who actually have the power to determine who is allowed entry, asking if they want her office to stop feds in the future. They were still considering it as of yesterday.
I’m still baffled as to how they continue to do this unimpeded.
These people are in court trying to enter the country “the right way” by going through the legal system and are getting ambushed by ICE and Homeland Security during their hearings. Unless the desired outcome is to depress the population of “good ones” trying to stay in the country via legal means by scaring them with the threat of sudden deportation, I don’t see what this accomplishes. This war on immigration is equally as stupid and futile as the war on drugs.
Xenophobia has completely fried the brains of most Americans. This shit isn’t normal and never should be.
They will be coming to your courthouses too. We will have to be organizing citizen barricades to keep them from disappearing our neighbors.
It’s horrifying to see so many incidents of kidnapping in courtrooms. I can’t imagine a more blatant and clear example of subversion of the legal judicial process.
There would be no reason to remove them from a courtroom if you believed the court would come to the same conclusions they have. So the logical explanation is that they know that what they’re doing is illegal and that these people they’re snatching haven’t actually done anything wrong. It’s shameful that we’ve allowed this to happen in our country and frankly, it’s embarrassing that this is what the once great USA has stooped to.
The authorities are assholes. They go for schools and churches and hospitals and courtrooms. They won’t bother with rape cases unless they’re an easy slam dunk. They hold grudges and weaponize their power over people they don’t like. They won’t target gang members when uneducated immigrants are so much easier.
It’s cute you call crimes against humanity “subversion of the legal process”, from a country whose actual fucking motto is “land of the free, home of the brave.”
The US is actually modern day facism. Ceausescu used to grab people off the streets too. Same with Hitler. When the streets aren’t safe for US citizens, at what point do you realize your entire way of life is a fucking lie?
And yet suggesting that someone fight back makes you the bad guy.
The actual fucking motto of the US is not "land of the free, home of the brave.” That’s a song lyric. But keep confidently spouting your feelings as facts , it really helps you make your point.
Babe wake up, new gender just dropped
What alarmed Nicholas Reppucci, head of the Charlottesville Office of the Public Defender, is that the enforcers called in to detain the two men in the city Tuesday morning were wearing plain clothes and did not display badges or arrest warrants.
Sounds an awful lot like kidnapping. So then the question becomes: why didn’t the court officers or local police arrest the so-called “ICE agents”? Up to and including firing on the assailants, if necessary? Because if you don’t show your badge, and you can’t back it up, you are not who you say you are. And that becomes broad-ass daylight kidnapping. And the actual uniformed officers did nothing (I know why they did nothing - the call is coming from inside the house).
Because the people who work at the court were likely complicit.
Of course they wouldn’t tell the Public Defender, but that doesn’t mean that he bailiff or whatever, wasn’t in on it.
Sounds like a courthouse that is absolutely corrupt of the constitution and should be all held to treason. The U.S. brought back the firing squad, and the president preaches for no trials. If anyone knows me I love this country. That said, I’m fairly sure this country says we are required to shoot the judge by firing squad without a trial? Or maybe they havent been clear. Is it just racism based slaughter, or slaughter all around they support?
You mean that some of those that burn crosses are the same that work forces? 🤯
did people not remember trump had the same nameless goons in his first admin when kindapping people.
Sure, but this is frankly another level. Snatching protesters off the street is fucked, for sure. Snatching people out of a courthouse, while they’re engaged with the legal system, out from under the noses of judges, attorneys, and court officers is absolutely another fucking level.
Well maybe we can use this and go get Lugi. Just claim to be ICE and maybe the courts let us get him, thinking we going deport him to El Salvador.
Hey, if it’s stupid but it works, it’s not that stupid.
Maybe shoot kidnappers? Amazing how often your guns are used to kill school children and how rarely to fight injustice.
Maybe shoot kidnappers?
Normal people cannot legally carry firearms into a Court House.
Is there no law enforcements with weapons in your courts? And also what about the kidnappers on the streets? Have any gotten shot so far?
Iknow people simply do not want to risk their life and thats fair but i wonder about the use scenario for all these weapons you guys own and i do not understand why besides having a fetish for weapons.
To add on to what @pivot_root@lemmy.world and @Beldarofremulak@discuss.online said, the primary use-case for personal firearms in the US outside of hobby/hunting in day-to-day is self-defense, and as a last resort.
Even with a concealed carry permit, most states’ concealed carry laws state that you can only use your weapon if you have no method of retreat, and retreat should always be the first option. (Rightly so.)
Second problem that this seething pile of shit administration has created, is even if you were cornered, no way out, and used a gun to defend yourself, as soon as they say (real, fake, made up, or retroactively) “oh that was a Federal agent” you’re now looking at having to deal with the Federal “justice” system, which is currently a big lying pile of shit that does whatever it wants with no regard for any life. (State and local laws are, for the most part, still functioning correctly.)
So basically, a death-and/or-El-Salvador concentration camp sentence for the person-that-would-be-helping.
Signing up as a rogue citizen to defend others, as a firearm owner, is at minimum legal fees, possible loss of firearms, possible jail time, or these days, possible disappearing.
You basically have to be in a mental state of writing off your own life to do such an act. If we are at that point, we’re probably in civil war.
There’s not cowboy justice in modern America, most of the time, surprisingly. Only Federal cowboy injustice.
Closest that could be maybe done is if a group of armed citizens in a state where open-carry is legal set up groups to protect those being targeted by the Nazis just outside the legal land boundary of the courts. Specifically because officers (read: thugs) are trained to shoot first and ask questions later. You’d need a mass of armed citizens, not touching their firearms, so the thugs know they’re outnumbered and no matter how tiny-penis-brain they are, they know they’ll probably come out dead if they escalate. Still very risky, could easily escalate as the thugs are also trained to purposely aggravate citizens so the citizens will make a mistake and the thugs can “apply the law” (do whatever they want with no consequences) as they see fit. This would be the tipping point Mango Mussolini wants to declare Martial Law across the US, and then we’re back to the civil war thing. All the rules change at that point, and the perceived “authority” that the ICE cowards think they have disappears, but we’re also looking at massive loss of life, no matter how it plays out. Unlike the Nazis, most Americans value life.
It sucks, right? When a majority of a country follows its laws, but they’re dealing with human trash in power that can mutate it at-will with almost god-mode powers, it becomes infinitely more complex to save the People and Democracy. They’ve done a good job stacking the deck in favor of Tyranny.
So basically, a death-and/or-El-Salvador concentration camp sentence for the person-that-would-be-helping
Point of correction here. A sentence to the El Salvador Concentration Camps IS a death sentence. The fact that there’s currently no tangible proof that prisoner executions are happening is about the same as see a giant plume of thick black smoke rising off the city tire dump and saying that there’s currently no tangible evidence that the fucker’s burning.
Almost 100% guaranteed that if anyone eventually manages to investigate it properly there will be a whole bunch of mass graves.The or was more from hope at this point, honestly. Although we really need a first-world free nation to stop that El Salvador shit. Unfortunately, that will probably be the trigger for WWIII the morons in the US federal government are hoping for.
Totally understand.
Yeah, it would take almost literally the whole rest of the world to stand up to the US. The military superiority difference between the US and everyone else is… problematic. The US was always a bit of a bully as an ally, and part of the disparity is the fault of the rest of us, allowing the US to take the bulk of defence burden, and mil-tech development. It’s turned allies into perceived client States in the view of people like Trump.
So yeah, if the only way to get Trump pulled up on this fascist shit is to have a global united front, and threaten WW3? We had better hope that there’s enough people in the US military chain of command who recognise, and honour, that the oath they swore is to the constitution, and to protect it from threats foreign and domestic…and not an oath to Trump with the promise of Jackbooting the necks of the rest of the world. Otherwise, as the quote that’s often attributed to Einstein goes:
I don’t know what weapons might be used in World War III. But there isn’t any doubt what weapons will be used in World War IV…
Stone spears…
The Venn diagram of gun fetishists and the people still cheering for Trump is nearly a circle.
I like to shoot far off cans, bottles, and targets out in the country. I’ve never shot an animal (that I know of) or a person (pretty confident about that one) and if there was some rabble-rousing going on and I was for some reason armed and loaded I don’t have the mental capacity nor the confidence to decide who lives and dies. Just because I own guns doesn’t mean I’m your defender. You should go buy a gun and become the justice decider you describe. Become the change you want to see.
What is happening is abhorrent. Morons with guns aren’t the answer.
Not possible in my country. I just sometimes have the feeling that americans accept more shit from their government and law enforcement BECAUSE they have loads of weapons and it gives this wrong sense of security, that you are able to rise up against authority if push comes to shove. Only that it will never be quite bad enough to risk your own life. And i understand that. Still sad to see.
Is there no law enforcements with weapons in your courts?
American cops don’t protect American people. First and foremost, they protect their own. Beyond that, they protect the establishment that gives them their authority.
And money. They absolutely protect people with money.
The problem is that most of the weapon fetishists are on the side of the fascists.
The fetishists yes, but to anyone thinking otherwise mostly all the leftists I know are strapped. It’s just an issue of organization.
…i wonder about the use scenario for all these weapons you guys own and i do not understand why besides having a fetish for weapons.
The vast majority of guns are owned by people who lean far, far right. The use scenario for most of them is a fantastical case where strangers with dark complexions threaten their homes and families and they suddenly turn into Rambo or the Punisher and then shoot all the bad guys.
Of course this never happens because these very people are honestly cowards who are too scared to go to the grocery store with their weapon. If something really dangerous happens you’d better not be between them and the nearest exit because they will shoot you if you block them while they’re running away. Well, unless you’re armed. In that case, they’ll run from you too.
Were you rubbing your nipples when you wrote this? You sound like a MAGAt fantasizing about trans Mexicans.
That’s probably because I’m essentially talking about MAGAts fantasizing about getting to use their 2nd Amendment rights.
Even if they could, anyone thinking they’re going to be able to shoot their way out of being abducted by the gestapo will have a very rude awakening.
Still better to be killed in the street than renditioned to America’s concentration camp in El Salvador
If that’s your goal, yes, a gun would be effective.
Is your goal something other than doing better than being renditioned to America’s concentration camp in El Salvador?
When people say “second amendment!” about this stuff they’re usually talking about overthrowing tyranny somehow, not suicide by ICE.
¿Por Qué No Los Dos?
A comment almost exactly like this got me permabanned from reddit. It’s like they’re telling us who’s side they’re on.
Years ago I was site-wide banned for “multiple false reporting” or something for reporting comments that advocated blanket murdering protesters and black people related to BLM protests. These comments are probably still there while antifascist users and subs are banned regularly.
I mean… they’ve been pretty clear about it for several years now?
You cannot hypothesize about shooting a person attacking your child but you can have several subs dedicated to cheering for the death of conscripted Russian soldiers. The cool part is that it was a 3 day ban and when I appealed it, the ban became permanent.
That’s completely, unsurprisingly, typical.
I’m on my usual 2 day ban over some comment I can’t remember, but probably something about how the current admin is a cancerous growth, and should be treated accordingly.
So you’ve been banned more than once and you continue going back?
https://www.helpguide.org/relationships/domestic-abuse/getting-out-of-an-abusive-relationship
Shit posting is fun.
So if I say I’m with HS, can I do whatever I like?
Just make sure you have a chud mask on and you’re golden apparently.
Whatever happened to the Fourth Amendment? If they’re not even bothering to uphold the Constitution in a courthouse you guys are well and truly fucked.
https://www.aclu.org/documents/constitution-100-mile-border-zone
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception
The magical 100 mile “Nah constitution don’t really work here” zone that also, crazily enough, includes 2/3 of the population.
I’m pretty sure Homeland Security was created with the sole intent of subverting the constitution from it’s inception.
The constitution has not existed since 911. I am not sure why people still believe in it. Even Santa Claus is more plausible to exist.
well that’s a load of shit
Yeah, I don’t think it’s very likely that a mythical jolly man brings presents to kids worldwide
Brilliant rebuttal
Their entire constitution is for sale, upheld not by its own laws, but rather by the current regime. Which happens to be an orange nutjob. So, no constitution for you this term!!
Let’s assume for a moment that the abducters here were federal agents.
How long before people get the bright idea that they can pull a stunt like this without being federal agents? Has that already happened?
Florida Woman Posed as ICE Agent to Detain Ex-Boyfriend’s Wife: Police https://www.newsweek.com/florida-woman-latrance-battle-ice-agent-detain-ex-boyfriend-wife-2062962
That’s a scary read - if the assailant had cleaned up better and not stopped at an apartment complex, she could have gotten away with murder.
Florida woman
Yeah, that tracks.
I suppose the scenario I was really thinking of is one where someone is literally abducted by adults, and not just fucking idiot kids playing fuck around.
Which has happened in the article posted here, we’re just taking them on their word that they’re actually federal agents.
Yeah, this was the part that really got me:
“Show us a warrant,” the video shows one of the two women demanding as they attempt to get between the detainers and the detainee.
“Do not touch me or impede me in my lawful duties,” the man in the pink shirt responds. “We are officers from Homeland Security.”
That’s a real bully-logic move right there. How are we supposed to know that these are your lawful duties if you’re refusing to show us your warrant or even your badge? Like, if she had blocked them at this point and the issue were brought to court (and yes, it’s ironic that this is happening in a court), then I can’t imagine a jury saying “well yeah, you can’t prevent a guy from abducting someone just because he won’t give you any indication other than a pinky swear that he has the legal authority to do it.” But, of course, the obvious implication in the moment was that since he was from the “abduct people in an unmarked van with unlimited authority” branch of the government, this wasn’t going to a jury trial, and she was either getting out of the way or she was going in the van too.
I dunno, man. It’s scary.
So what I’m gathering here, is if you can get some friends together, you can get yourself out of court in a pinch.
This is not behavior they want to encourage long term
Yeah, I started to write about that, but it’s unclear that this guy would have actually gained anything by getting out of the courtroom. A lot of folks are released pending trial, in which case there’s really no advantage to getting your friends to grab you out of court, rather than just, y’know, skipping town. If he was already in police custody, I imagine there actually would have been more checking of the authority.
But yeah, making court a place where your enemies know you’ll be there and they’re free to come and grab you is a terrible precedent anyway. If you can’t expect due process even in the courts, what does the rule of law even mean anymore?
Trump isn’t thinking in the long term. He’s usually not even thinking in the short term.
He barely developed object permanence, through many flash cards with pictures of burgers on them.
“if we stop testing there won’t be so many positive tests.”
Pretty sure some people showed up at San Francisco City Hall claiming to be with DOGE and demanding they be given access to personal files.
It was just some insane MAGA duds pretending to be with DOGE.
Especially with ICE going into schools and other previous safe zones now, think about how easy it would be for people to take advantage of these situations.
If a person is already willing to kidnap someone, do you really think they wouldn’t easily be willing to disguise their own identity, command authority and prey on people’s fears of retaliation for not complying?
(Warning: Instagram link) Here’s a video of an instance of this
It’s probably the gesta- I mean ICE
gICEstapo?
