Dr. Lisa Anderson, 58, was born in Pennsylvania and is a U.S. citizen.
A doctor born in the United States says she received an email from federal immigration authorities demanding that she leave the country immediately.
Lisa Anderson, a physician from Cromwell, Connecticut, told NBC Connecticut on Wednesday that she recently received a letter from the Department of Homeland Security telling her, “It is time for you to leave the United States."
Immigration authorities have been pushing noncitizens to leave of their own volition, or “self-deport,” as the number of deportations remains at similar levels to last year.
The famous quote about Nazis, “First they came for…” is being realized at intense pacing.
Fuck fascists and their garbage Nazi AI injection into government systems. All Nazis are garbage and the exception to the rule about acceptance and inclusion. GTFO!
intense pacing? it’s a gd speedrun of it is what it is
Death to Nazis!
If this is against mods policy go ahead and delete but… seriously.
Nah fuck that
That is an excellent platform.
Due process to Nazis.
It’s just my opinion and I don’t advocate violence, but for me, “due process For Nazis”=pulling back the hammer.
I think that’s what he was saying, but either way…
Sorry for late response. Not what I am saying at all. Everybody gets due process. If you want to exempt Nazis, then we have to rely on your judgement of who is a Nazi. No thanks. That’s like relying on the Trump administration to determine who is in MS-13 and not have to prove it.
Castration for pedophiles without trial! Uh, what if when you look more closely at the case, the evidence that the suspect was a pedophile falls apart? Just because the crime is heinous doesn’t mean the suspect is guilty.
You’re not wrong. If being a Nazi is a death sentence, then you better have a good definition of Nazi and you should prove your case. That said, if you are Nazi-adjacent and throwing up HH or sending people to death camps, you’re telling on yourself and fuck any technicality. You and I can recognize evil that the law can’t. And I’m kinda okay with that.
When a bunch of Nazis start getting killed, I’ll start looking closer. But to date, no Nazis have gotten killed in about 75 years for just being a Nazi, and that number is far, far too low.
I respect your point of view and the world needs people less biased than me. But my opinion isn’t changing.
The difference between today’s Republican Party and the Nazi Party is just temporal and geographical. Same ethics.
“ethics”
The underlying unsaid context: “White American with White Name who never has been outside the country told to self-deport”. Yes, WHITE AMERICA it could happen to YOU!
White people have never been exempt. One of my few criticisms of the BLM movement was that they should have been more inclusive.
So you’re an ‘All lives matter’ kinda person?
Unironically, BLM should have grabbed ALM before the white supremacists did. It would have taken some of the wind out of their sails. There’s some images of Black protesters holding signs of white kids who got killed by cops. Black people have a higher rate of police brutality then white people do, but Native Americans have an even higher rate. Not to mention that cops seem to go immediately to guns when dealing with epileptic shock and seizures victims. Also see Women and Queer people.
There’s an element of racial injustice that needed to be highlighted by BLM so I don’t know if including white victims of police brutality is the right approach but broadening to include other minorities would have helped continue their momentum and potentially catalyzed more meaningful change. Eventually challenging police brutality as a whole may have been an option but ignoring or underplaying racial inequality early on would have been essentially ignoring the reality of the situation.
Exactly. The “All lives matter” sounds nice to anyone unfamiliar with the movement but it is designed to downplay racial injustice.
What about “Our Lives Matter Too” (OTM2)? You’re trying to fight oppression, appealing to empathy should have been the first resort. I know it feels good to prove being black or dark-skinned doesn’t mean you need help, I’ve been there because I have autism and have encountered ableism from people who are supposed to be doctors or nurses, I’m just saying that once the few white people in the civil rights movement left, it lost steam because the opponent was more willing to get other people’s assistance (in bad ways, but they still succeeded and that should have been countered).
For what it’s worth, if a cop pointed a gun at a kid, I’d die to put myself between them before I let him pull the trigger, and if I would be too late, I’d f-ing kill the bastard. Fortunately, I’ve never met a cop willing to do that. I honestly hate it that your country has cops who are willing to do that in the open.
Once BLM moved toward economic injustice it would have been shut down like MLK was.
It’s a class war now more than ever, the rich people know they can get more nazi lackeys if they call it a race war though.
Also autistic folks, I’ve gotten lucky that my meltdowns generally make me less vulnerable but there have been folks who aren’t to lucky. A good recent example was that kid up in Idaho.
BLM was/is also hostile to other marginalized groups like the LGBTQ; a BLM group literally blocked my city’s Pride parade in the middle of it. Aren’t we protesting the same thing? So hypocritical and tone deaf.
A group has. Not all the groups.
I’m not really equipped to talk at length on this topic, but luckily, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar has
Unironically the suffragettes should have campaigned for all people being allowed to vote.
Unironically, the LGBTQ community should have campaigned for all marriages to be legal.
BLM wasn’t ALM because the movement was based on the horrendous rates of police violence and murder their communities have suffered. Yes, all lives do matter, but the point of the protest was how much black lives don’t matter in the US.
There’s also other minority groups. I’m not sure you read my whole post, because I specifically mentioned Native Americans having an even higher rate of police brutality.
Unironically, the LGBTQ community should have campaigned for all marriages to be legal.
Isn’t that what they did? At least between consenting adults.
Also, there was an effort within the Women’s suffrage movement to continue and get African Americans the right to vote. Martin Luther King Jr. also tried to continue to promote Communism. It’s almost like if you’re proven to be successful at leading real change, you get targeted. You’re not allowed to change the world twice.
Isn’t that what they did? At least between consenting adults.
Technically, yes. And for a time, it was good.
Then Roe vs. Wade was overturned for no good reason and Trump stole the election last year. The (federal) laws towards gay/lesbian(/etc?) marriage hasn’t changed afaik, but it would surprise me if that is how it is in practice under Teflon Don.
Not bashing anyone, does LGBTQ as an acronym even matter as a whole for marriages as much as for self-expression and mental health? Not in a “LGBTQ is lesser” way, but think about it logically. Asexuals (well, aromantic asexuals) aren’t getting married, they don’t want to. Getting married as transgender should absolutely be legal and legitimate, it’s just that in a marriage, you’re either male or female or (in rare cases) hermaphroditic in a biological, body-focused sense, so your marriage can be gay or lesbian or straight but whether you started out as the gender you currently are should be irrelevant to marriage status as long as the government acknowledges you are your current gender regardless of if you changed your gender.
If you want to normalize this stuff, the best way to do it is to at least recognize nuance and definitions. There are edge cases, those can and should be considered legal too, but as a single asexual person with opinions that contradict both partisan political extremes, if it looks like a fashion statement instead of a call for peace or a demand for true equality, you’re probably doing it wrong.
Of course, now there are bigger issues. Probably better to force Trump off his throne and then never let up the pressure on improving from there.
I lived in a travelers hostel with a lot of international people moving about on various visas. I think white people and majorities are more smug and comfortable than they should be right now. There was plenty of fuckery then, and we didn’t even have the Jaffa cake monster in charge.
Don’t assume they ain’t coming for you. If you’re not on their side, you’re somewhere on the list.
But she gets to laugh it off, which is exactly what she’s doing.
She’s not laughing it off. She’s worried and carrying her passport on her at all times.
With an exotic name like Lisa Anderson (I’m sorry, did I pronounce that right?) She’s kind of asking for trouble like this.
They’re pushing the boundaries, to see what they can get away with.
I’m just joking.
They can get away with anything.
They scraped her social media, deemed it to have “Improper Attitude,” and targeted her. Besides, the only reason she’s not the kitchen, not making sammiches where she belongs, is because of AA/DEI, right guyz?!!!
Edit again: wrong doctor. Still…
Remember when they thought the covid shot was a way to keep track of you. Why don’t they care all of a sudden?
Clearly the daughter of the guy in The Matrix which is not real murica!
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If I was a Doctor, I’d just leave. Plenty of countries would welcome a doctor.
Screw the hippocraric oath, Hippocrates is dead and I’m not joining him.
In principle, yeah, but in practice all countries require re-qualification for doctors with diplomas obtained overseas. Medicine is one of the jobs that are hardest to move across national borders
That’s true, but the demand is still there, and for someone who already went through all the work of getting a PhD getting recertified isn’t that big of a deal comparatively.
yea, because MD schools might not be equivalent to those in UK/CANADA, AND USA. i heard its very hard to become a MD as an immigrant even if you have a license already, because they have those qualifications that might be above where you got your license from.
i think its different for a UK/CANADA doctor trying to become one in the US though. its very convoluted and overlycomplicated.
It can be hard to leave one’s family behind.
Usually you can bring your immidiate family members with you (spouse and children) if its an immigration visa.
As for extended family. You can apply for your parents and siblings after a certain time residing in the new country or upon becoming citizen there.
You can also stay in touch via the internet while waiting.
Well sure, but your family may not wish to come with you. They might have a whole life in the united states they are unwilling to leave behind.
That’s a decision for a family conversation.
I was in Mainland China, I didn’t make the decision to come to the US either, since I was a kid. My parents decided and that’s it. Parent’s have to make the decision about the future of their children. If the adults agree, then move. Kids will understand when they grow up.
Learning another language was rough, but eventally, I grew to like this place. Much less pollution, much more diverse people.
(It’s a shame how politics can ruin what the US could’ve been)
That’s kids/adults, but consider instead 4 close siblings in their 30s with jobs, and they have to look after their aging parents.
Yea, that’s gonna be more difficult.
My aunts/uncles in China just had to take care of my Grandmother until my mom became a citizen and filed a petition for my Grandmother. And now my Grandmother is here.
My mom also filed a petition for my aunts (her sisters) and that also would include their immediate family (their husbands and their unmarried children under 21). But seeing how the politics is now in the US, I’m not sure they would want to come when they get approved (or if they would even get approved). Unlike my parents, who worked shitty jobs in China and therefore the US is a much appealing option; my aunts are teachers, so they have like government pensions and stuff, and their kids would be over 21 when they finally get off the waitlist. (They’ve been on the waitlist for like almost a decade now. A lot has changed in politics and economy.)
I mean, they talk everyday through wechat, so its not like they are far apart anyways.
It isn’t politics, it’s GOP and fascist politics that ruined the US
And yet MAGA will wonder out loud why their doctors’ appointment wait times are getting longer and longer.
No they won’t, they’ll just blame the Democrats.
TRANS PEOPLE AND IMMIGRANTS ARE MAKING YOUR DOCTOR’S APPOINTMENTS TAKE LONGER TO SCHEDULE
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What does the Hippocratic oath have to do with staying in the United States or leaving?
Becuase they’d be leaving a population that is gonna need be in need of doctors so it kinda goes against the part about helping people.
But like, I don’t blame them for leaving.
That’s a very broad reading of it. Most doctors would feel free to practise medicine elsewhere if politically targeted.
I mean, you’re both kind of right. I’m no doctor but it seems like something doctors (good doctors, anyway) would seriously consider in regards to this. On the one hand, they’re leaving people to the wolves. On the other, there is nothing you can do in the US if it gets that far that will outweigh the good you can do elsewhere. But then, is that actually true? This isn’t the literal same as WWII, it’s just extremely similar, a pattern we are able to recognize this time around because it happened before and was well-documented. It’s possible that this time, leaving would in fact cause more harm than good. But if you have a family… Well, I can’t blame you for protecting your own kids over your patients and their kids, as long as you don’t throw someone else under the bus.
It’s complicated. When there’s that many variables, all you can do is trust your gut. No one can predict the future that well, if at all.
Doesn’t the Hippocratic oath basically just say “Do no harm”? I don’t think you’re morally obligated to work.
many EU countries need MDs(probably best if your a speciality, and anuerosurgeon) they need to reverse the brain drain.
What’s as bizarre as anything else about this is that they are sending these to people via email. Like she says, most people will just think it’s spam. What official US government organization has ever before sent official legal stuff via email? None. Until now.
The idea that if you don’t see an email threatening to arrest or deport you, because it was filtered as spam or looks like spam or was sent to an old email you don’t even use anymore or any number of things related to email being an unreliable way to contact someone, is scary.
I also read somewhere that some govt agency (don’t recall which, I think it was a health agency?) would now be posting all official notices on X instead of on their own official website!!!
I also read somewhere that some govt agency (don’t recall which, I think it was a health agency?)
Social Security Administration
I know a lot of terrible things are going on but it’s stuff like this that also eats at my brain. It’s so incredibly stupid, pointless and is petty the right word?
gets old ppl on X and into the fascist disinfo pipelines is my guess as to why
Or it gets old people screwed out of their Social Security because the new rules and guidelines to continue receiving payments was posted on X, and they don’t have an X account because they are 80 fucking years old and don’t use the internet.
Exactly.
a little column a, a little column b
It sets up a situation where anyone could misrepresent the government and send these types of emails out to harass people.
Pretty sure that’s the point
I have an idea
But I’m not sure yet whether a government telling a citizen to GTFO NAO is enough persecution and threat to warrant giving refug— doctor, you say? Let’s show you to some housing for while you sit the re-cert exam.
Man the Canadian side of the falls is super nice, too. They have it all built out, Id deport there if given the option. I’m definitely going to ride the purple moose this time, though, and no, that’s not code for heroin.
Everybody is assuming that this is the result of this administration’s virtuosic incompetence, but it is equally possible that these people have been specifically targeted. The last one was an immigration attorney, so that seemed to indicate they were harrassing someone who was opposing them. I wonder if they have some bizarre reason to target this woman.
Conceivably it is both. There’s a Dr. Lisa Anderson on a list somewhere for some reason and the admin simply does not care if they sent the letter to the right person.
Similarly, when the ICE agents kick down her door, they won’t care if she’s the right person either.
“Fuck it, take her anyway.”
Admitting to a mistake weakens their idea of authority. Authority, any authority, will do anything before they admit to a mistake. If you’ve ever put at a disadvantage because of an authority’s mistake, you know how it goes.
“We get to boost our numbers and hit that quota easier and she was probably a communist Democrat anyway, win-win.”
It says it right in her title, “Dr”. Sounds like an open and shut case - pro-vaxer, poisoning and gayifying american children with 5G microchips, and very probably cutting men’s dicks off so they can go into the women’s toilet to rape people.
That’s essentially a real quote:
“No, he’s not the one,” one ICE agent reportedly said.
“Take him anyway,” the other replied.
Yeah, that’s what made me think of it.
Time to muddy the waters. Everyone who is an immigrant (legal or illegal) when asked for an email address, find an email address of an executive at a large corporation and use that.
The last two I read weren’t immigrants, they are born in the U.S. with social security numbers and birth certificates. Well I’m assuming this one has those, being that she’s born and is a doctor here. Practicing doctors require background checks
honest question: did you respond to the wrong person?
If they did, this is a f-ing miracle. Imma do it next time I sign up for a service that doesn’t require confirmation emails to change the address (they’re rare but there’s a few, lemmy/kbin instances are sometimes among them).
No, their reply made perfect sense. We could just use repub official emails for EVERYBODY, not just immigrants, in order to mess up the system scraping this information for everybody and not just immigrants.
thats why scientists and MDs are the first to flee a dictatorship before shit hits the fan, and people were complaining they should stay and fight. they dint go to school and act like country bumpkins.
I would like to see these pathetic Nazis leave the country.
Leave how?
Can a trebuchet be the vehicle of choice?
Woodchipper
Bullseye!
That’s more charitable than I’d like to be.
No one said what condition they’d be leaving in.
Vacuum packed and dehydrated to save on shipping costs
send them all to antartica to see how thier rugged individualism and survival strategies help them. specifically the interior.
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There’s more than one way to leave a country.
North, South, East, West, or down.
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The ones to Us Citizens were meant for next month… Opps
It is time for you to leave the United States.
Well, considering the political climate I can’t really argue with that.
Why would you do the via email and not an official letter? People see it as spam or it might be the wrong email adres. Fucking amateurs.
Because none of the people in charge know what they are doing.
There is one good thing about this, if email is now official means of primary government communication, that means it’s a guaranteed right that has to be provided for free.
are you out of your mind? the only official channel of government communication is twitter (x)!
Only benefits for elderly people are done through Twitter, everyone else has to fax.
This is Truth Social erasure, and I will
notstand for it
Of course sending this letter to an American citizen in the first place is bad to begin with.
That’s just it. Our highest government institutions are now almost entirely by rank dipshits who don’t know how anything works. They’re worse than amateurs. At least amateurs know enough to understand their own shortcomings.
Because this is who the American people voted for.
Because you’re governed by a fascist dictator who you have given unlimited authority to do whatever the fuck he chooses. And he is.
Because this is all from DOGE bs. They probably did a mail merge and said, “if you did nothing wrong… ignore this email… but if you did, you got 7 days. Herp derp.”
We already knew Elon and Donald doesn’t know shit about the Federal Government since Day 1 and hired morons.
This is what? 3rd or 4th time we’ve heard about this happening? Crazy.
This also happened to a practicing immigration lawyer: https://bsky.app/profile/nicolemicheroni.bsky.social/post/3lmpvej6vn22t
Another one?
Must be a “coincidence”
I always suspected it’s because the immigration lawyer is probably the person they’re supporting is their secondary email.
