I’m actually in the market for a new car, and it’s going to be an EV, but Tesla is not on my short list. (not just because of Musk, also because I think those cars are hideous, and I really dislike how a single iPad is used for everything. I need some physical buttons, especially for the airco unit) Instead I’m looking at the Renault Scenic or the Kia EV3.
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It’s actually an example of having 1 leader at the top being a failure versus a democratic company that has workers vote on decisions and press releases etc
I’d rather buy from a company ran buy someone who’s main job is running the company rather than being a social media MAGA influencer
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I haven’t broken through the paywall, can someone explain why a drugstore chain is being quoted? Do German drugstores sell cars or run deliveries or something?
I’m afraid there isn’t that much meat to the story… Here I’ll give you the quotes relating to Rossmann, the rest is padding or embedding context if we want to be charitable.
“Elon Musk makes no secret of his support for Donald Trump. Trump has repeatedly described climate change as a hoax—this attitude is in stark contrast to Tesla’s mission to contribute to environmental protection through the production of electric cars,” Raoul Rossmann, Rossmann’s spokesman for the management, said in a statement.
Thirty-four of Rossmann’s 800 vehicles are Teslas, the company’s spokesperson told Fortune. The company plans to continue using those vehicles for “sustainability and resource conservation.”
Rossmann is the first major business to cite Musk’s political stance as a reason to halt future Tesla purchases. Other European companies have dropped orders from Tesla for different reasons.
Elon never cared a bit about environment and shit, that’s why he wants to land on some other inhabitable planet.
It just happened that there was a void in the market and Tesla was at the right time, introducing expensive luxury ev with long range when the only other options were expensive shitboxes with limited range. Suddenly there was an option to get something that would be worth owning at that price range.
If he really cared the environment he would push for a small and light city vehicle instead of a huge heavy truck with a giant battery that can’t be used for actual work
The chain has a fleet of 800 vehicles, 34 of which are teslas. It seems as though they were going to replace the others with teslas over time, but due to Elon, they decided not to.
They also say they will maintain the teslas they do have, so as to be environmentally responsible.
Hey Tesla board. This guy is the entire reason I don’t want anything to do with your company.
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“lots of people are buying Tesla’s”
“People are stepping away from fully electric vehicles.”
Which is it? Are Tesla’s strong or weak? Or are we somehow in a situation where EVs are weak and Tesla is strong?
Especially now that a lot of countries are starting to notice the drain on energy networks.
Lmao
But I doubt they’re really “struggling”.
You don’t have to sit there and imagine things, because they are a publicly traded company…
It’s clear Musk’s politics have turned off a ton of potential customers worldwide. Tesla sales are falling off, while eg the Hyundai Ioniq is setting sales records in the US
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Since these cars easily take up the same as an entire household overnight.
You mean the same as the household take up overnight where most are sleeping and have turned almost everything off? That’s not actually a lot…
LOL, seems like you are only are aware of Tesla losses and try to explain it that it is because a power grid can’t handle it.
In reality it is that Tesla is losing customers which are fleeing to other manufacturers.
As for the energy consumption, for example in California 25% of new car sales are BHEV. Currently electric cars use 1% of the power and the estimates are that by 2035 (when sales of new ICE vehicles will be banned) this will go to 4%.
Tesla’s market share in Europe declined from 27.8% to 19.9% year over year as of this past March. Tesla’s sales in Europe fell 36% while BMW and Volvo had 60% and 70% growth in EV sales over the same period, respectively.
https://www.whichev.net/2024/04/25/tesla-tops-european-car-sales-charts-but-theyre-still-not-happy/
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Is it weird that a part of me wishes I was as confident in myself being right about stuff as you are about yourself?
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When every other company manufacturing the same thing as you is making massive gains, because the whole market is expanding, and you’re suddenly posting losses, that’s going to raise so questions
All the rich folks I know avoid Tesla like the plague because they prefer some level of political ambiguity while driving. Even if they’re driving a $500k Porsche, it doesn’t come with the "this company is proudly run by a right wing asshole everyone has heard of" vibe, just the regular "I’m rich, SEE!" vibe.
The rich people I’ve spoken with just don’t think they’re premium enough. It had nothing to do with politics. Most of their politics line up conservative anyway.
Got some bad news for you…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_involved_in_the_Holocaust
Dawg, it’s so many companies you interact with on a regular basis, often without even knowing it. Times change.
Hope you haven’t taken a Thyssen-Krupp elevator lately or gotten an X-ray from a Siemens machine, otherwise you’re supporting Nazis 😡 /s
That’s a worry! I’ll stick with my trusty Ford!
…What?
It’s different when they’ve been dead for a long time. If we avoided anything that has had connections to the NSDAP, the majority of old German brands would be boycotted.
Eh when the founders are dead long enough, people stop caring. Ex: Chanel
Henry Ford was a Nazi sympathizer as well but that’s long in the past.
Average person has no clue about this compared to Musk. Not surprised that the founder of a luxury brand is a bastard though.
I’m gonna need another decade or two before I get an EV.
I’m gonna wait for the $15,000 economy shitbox model. Whoever ends up making it.
Citroen Ami is around 7k €
Noooo people need EV’s that do 0-100 in 2 seconds that cost 80k
All I need it run is 65. I want to go weeks between recharges. I don’t care about speed.
Good.
It’s hurting it in the USA too. All the lefties I know who own Teslas are pretty much ashamed of them now. None of the maga are suddenly going to start buying electric cars.
Maybe they should buy EVs to own the libs.
That would… make me angry. So angry. Noooo…. Don’t!
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I’d love an EV that is fast and affordable like a tesla. I wanted a tesla but couldn’t afford it. Now I can afford it but there is no way in hell I’m buying one. Fuck him, he should fuck off to Mars or the sun, either is a big W for the world.
Used market is full of teslas. Just don’t buy new. Few weeks ago you could get long range Tesla 2021 model (the one with heated battery) for £16k.
That isn’t bad advice. If you remove the Tesla emblems from it then that also makes it clear that you don’t identify with Musk’s neo-nazi views.
Don’t worry, my comment will be removed shortly anyway. Because it doesn’t align with the accepted view.
Because everyone is out there buying new cars… News and world news are becoming awful places to be.
He doesn’t deserve to go to Mars before NASA
I kinda expect a lot of people will come to regret going, seeing as it’s a dead nearly-airless rock too far from Earth for synchronous communication, so he can go first, that’s fine.
He’s not. He’s a bloviating idiot with no idea about what he’s talking about. He’s been able to look smart by throwing money at problems, but going to Mars is going to be a money pit for him.
I have no idea why NASA still contracts with him. We can’t talk about Jack Parsons, because he was besties with Crowley and did sex rituals to summon the AntiChrist (which just makes him cooler IMHO) - but Muskrat can do whatever he wants.
The mission to mars will be well after he builds the hyper loop across California, US, and Tesla implements full self driving. In other words, it’s something he told investors to secure their investment for something shorter term, while making it sound like he’s thinking far into the future.
And if he ever does sacrifice some suckers to keep up appearances, I don’t think he’d put up his hand to be one of them!
I’m banking on him not making it there, and if he does, it was a one way trip.
I only like the part where you can just order from the website instead of going to a dealership where after one hour of talking and giving you a plethora of personal data that is guaranteed to inundate you with spam they tell you that due to high demand the car sells for 3k over MSRP
For the rest, while I really like the clean design, for me a car must have
- A stalk for the indicator lights
- Gear selector on physical buttons
- Climate on physical buttons
- If it comes with automatic windshield, a $1 wet sensor that works in any visibility instead of trying to do it in software with computer vision
- If it comes with parking sensors, an array of $2 ultrasonic sensors that always work instead of trying to do it in software with computer vision
- Android auto/carplay. I want to be able to choose which app is used with navigation or use different ways to send messages besides sms. If the car operating system doesn’t allow me to send messages using signal or to use offline openstreetmaps, then for me it’s limited
I actively don’t want a fast EV. Maybe a quick one but I don’t want a fast one.
I like having more horsepower than minimum viable but who needs it to go from 0 to 90 in 2.1 femptoseconds? If it can keep up with or slightly outgun my Buick Century we’ll be okay.
Why would I want my EV to carry around the weight of the motors necessary to perform like a supercar?
Well said. Gradual acceleration is far more energy efficient, safest, and less damaging to the vehicle so driving like a grandpa is definitely the smartest way to drive.
I want to go 0 to 60 2.1 femptoseconds. I drive a car now that does it in 3.9, I can’t go back to slow. Like I said, I’m a car guy. There’s nothing else like feeling the G’s when you smash the accelerator.
I just lost all interest in performance cars after aerobatics training. Barrel roll a Pitts S2B and let me know if you give a shit about cars anymore.
I don’t give a shit about flying, I’ll stick to four wheels on the ground. That’s the beauty of being an individual, not everything is for everyone.
That’s what I felt about motorcycles after flying planes. Motorcycles are freeing… But planes can move in another direction.
Why not buy from one of the other car brands?
I’m a car guy. It has to be fast. Nobody else has that fast at that price.
Mach-E GT’s are a steal right now
If you don’t mind used, plenty of cheap fast EVs. I got mine for more than half off that was 2 years old and has 13k miles
Why not get a frame from a scrap yard and have one built, mind ya this only works if ya have the liquad cash but imagine a 1995 Toyota 4runner but its all electric.
I’ve looked into it. It’s still pretty pricey. I’m sure at some point in the near future swap parts will become more available and less expensive. When that happens, I’ll make a neat sleeper.
Illegal in Norway. So many people would be building their own, but when the laws make them illegal, they’re not built. It’s bullshit.
Why is it illegal? I there are hundred year old car frames out there doing great, so why outlaw frame and interior reuse.
No idea. Just remember reading about it years ago. https://www-nrk-no.translate.goog/dokumentar/xl/hvorfor-lonner-det-seg-a-kaste-bilen_-1.15232892?_x_tr_sl=no&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp link to translated article.
Maybe I didnt go far enough (that site makes my phone want to die) but it seems that the article is about modern electric cars being scrapped. Which is somewhat reasonable, the battery is more or less part of the frame on a lot of them. Thusly when they get into a wreck if the frame is compromised then the batt is as well, which given how lithium doesnt play nice with oxygen is a safety matter. The same would not apply to say a 1960s VW bug, which would probably have its batts in the frunk.
Taycans aren’t that much more expensive than a Model S, each starts ballpark 100k Euro.
True, but here I can get a used dual motor long range 3 for 20k. Can get a little older fast S for 17k. The Mach E GT is pretty on par with that but they’re 10-15k more and half a second slower in the quarter mile. I know it shouldn’t matter, but it does to me, it’s my thing.
Does the Tesla have the ignition on the left side of the steering wheel? Those are the things that really matter.
(Ok it’s a power button not an ignition but it’s still on the left).
TIL there is actually one legit selling point.
Good.
I think he should sue the EU customers! It’s unfair their political beliefs are hurting his business.
Good idea. Then, this entitled, out-of-touch crybaby can sue the kid that took his juice in Kindergarten!
Tesla would be right to dump this clown, but he ain’t leaving without killing Tesla first.
72% of stakeholder vote favored giving him a stupid huge bonus, even stupid by rich billionaire standards. This was after TSLA took a hit and their sales were down and their unit prices were way down.
Tesla’s all in on Musk. Probably easier to accept as someone who never did like their particular cars and if anything is a bit annoyed that the traditional car companies felt compelled to copy the stupid parts of Tesla when making their EVs. I can see if someone liked Tesla how they could hope to evict Musk… Just not going to happen.
The problem is that Tesla is a meme stock. It’s stupidly overpriced for a car company with such little production.
They could get rid of musk and try to turn it into a normal company with solid fundamentals but this would remove its meme status and crash the share price anyway.
There’s no way to fix Tesla without burning it’s stock price to the ground, so anyone involved is just going to try to ride the crazy train as long as possible.
Come on Elon, make the Cybertruck 2 and really fuck everything up.
No, it’s an AI company now bro. Trust me.
Exactly. What I don’t understand is how everyone knows this, but somehow the stock is still high. Somehow Elon is singlehandedly keeping the stock up while doing literally nothing to help the company, make it make sense.
After that vote I will enjoy seeing the shareholders should get exactly what they voted for.
That just means their stakeholders deserve the financial ruin that’s coming to them.
That’s mostly institutional investors. I suspect it was actually a reward for ruining Twitter.
They’re all his friends and family who Musk made very rich. They’re not gonna dump him.
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