A lot of people here are claiming something “like this is a problem that only affects these idiots”. Sadly, that’s not the case. A number of these vaccines are only roughly 80% effective. The efficacy of these lies in herd immunity, where the 20% of people who did get the vaccine, but are not protected, will never encounter the disease because the other 80% can’t get it to spread it to them.
Let’s say you need 70% of people to be protected to maintain herd immunity. Then just 10% of the population needs to be idiots, and the disease spreads to the 30% that isn’t protected. Of that 30%, 20 points are people who were not idiots and got vaccinated, but unfortunately are not protected. The idiots will get sick, but twice as many not-idiots will get sick too. Unfortunately, for some of these diseases, the idiots will be hurting many more people than themselves.
The affected people are not necessarily immunocompromised. For example, after two doses of the mumps vaccine, 88% of people are immune. Immunity decreases with time, so the proportion that’s immune is lower than that. Let’s guess at 80%. You, the person reading this, can be a normal healthy person who got the mumps vaccine, and you have a 1 in 5 chance that you’re not immune. Those are some pretty big odds.
Yes, the immunocompromised people are relying on the herd for protection, and the morons are letting them down
Well, I wasn’t even considering them. That’s a particularly vulnerable group, but I was referring to uncompromised people for whom the vaccine is not effective, or for whom immunity has waned.
Unfortunately, many people don’t consider them :( Getting a vaccine is not just for ourselves. It’s an investment in civilization.
You guys are still spreading this misinformation? Like two years ago know we’ve known the vaccines do not prevent transmission, it’s not protecting the immunocompromised at all.
“It’s”? Are you talking about covid? Because we’re talking about other diseases, and if you’re claiming that a population fully vaccinated against mumps, other than the immunocompromised, doesn’t protect the immunocompromised from mumps, feel free to look up and compare current and past rates for mumps infections.
Then, use your half a brain to extend that to COVID. The COVID vaccines do little to prevent transmission in that if you are vaccinated, and are exposed to the virus, you will still likely become infected. But the vaccines reduce the duration of infection and reduce the viral load shed by the infected person, thus reducing the probability that an infected person will spread to anyone else. If an infected person is infecting fewer people, that is a reduction in overall transmission. So when you say “’we’ve known the vaccines do not prevent transmission”, you’re completely wrong, or at the very least, equivocating, by conflating individual transmission with overall transmission rates. Here’s a link, since I doubt you’ll know what that means either: https://www.thefreedictionary.com/equivocating.
So much for “trust the science”. You’re blowing as much bullshit as the anti vaxxers here
I feel bad for kids and for people who are vulnerable. The adults who are bringing down our society through idiotic decisions can’t die fast enough, imo.
I’ve come to accept that I’ll have to work until I’m dead. So one thing that doesn’t make me upset is less people. Specifically less people to take my job—younger people.
So, anti-vaxers, if you really wanna pwn me, you’ll make sure your kids live long enough to take my job.
Do we have that many darwin awards to give out?
We do have an infinite amount of them yes. Sadly they will all be printed on fancy paper at best this year because of the volume of them.
With the way its looking we might only be able to affort toilet paper
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We can’t drown out botnets without botnets of our own. Information war is war, but lacks attrition, so the opponents never actually get defeated.
So, we can either accept this status quo, or we can escalate. But I don’t think we can just try harder, we’re givin her all she’s got, Jim. It’s not like medical professionals are known for having tons of free time and extra morale to burn away on twitter.
So, we need technical assistance, of some sort.
MDs are our there signing exceptions. It’s a matter to legislate about.
In some states they’ll be legislating against vaccines.
At the federal level then. Let the vaccine riots commence!
Problem is, who will fund the good botnet?
A grant from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. Who else?
The CEO of the Internet!
Looks at notes: We’ll need to get that up to hundreds of thousands before anyone even starts to think about doing something about it.
Don’t worry though, the faster you approach a million, the more likely they’ll just start to shrug it off and say it’s the new normal.
Hah. Needless.
Holy shit I thought this was only about Covid. These absolute idiots are breaking herd immunity for the entire field of virus based diseases.
The anti-vaccine movement has been fighting their pro-disease fight for decades now
They should meet my friend named rabies
Rabies is the real litmus test to see if people really have the balls to be anti-vaxxers or not, lol.
That, or smallpox.
It would technically solve their problems. I’m all for it.
hope you enjoy smallpox and diphteria
Polio has (re-)entered the chat.
As long as it disproportionately affects red states, I’m all for it. Let’s go. Cull these fucking mouth breathers.
I get the anger but keep in mind they do have children.
Remember how many German anti-vaxxer emmigrated to Columbia (or Paraguay?) where they had to send their children to school and what happened first day they vaccinated them without asking the parents 😄😄😄😄
And there’s still a large amount of not-republicans in those states
There were children in Hiroshima. What’s your point?
Well thanks I was having a good day but now I get to think about that.
Ignoring how fucked up it is to take pleasure in people’s deaths, let me remind you that there are some people, even in blue states, that cannot receive various vaccinations due to health risks and thus are entirely reliant on herd immunity.
Also, disproportionately doesn’t mean “solely”.
Problem is, a good chunk of these mouth breathers were vaccinated as kids, and their innocent, unknowing children get to reap the costs.
Classic Republican mentality. Pull up the ladder you just ascended.
Survival of the adequate. Their parents are inadequate.
I’m well past feeling bad for stupid people who die needless and preventable deaths, and I’m well past feeling anything but hostility towards those who, through stubborn and willful ignorance, would threaten my life and the lives of those I care for, not to mention everyone else around them— especially the elderly and infirmed.
it’s as simple as that, and any equivocation on these points is just them trying to pass responsibility for their own social and moral failures onto others. and for that, fuck them.
edit: subject-verb agreement
If only they were islands to themselves and didn’t take innocent people down with them in pursuit of their Darwin Awards
that’s one of the things about conservative philosophy, especially today, is the subscription to the concept of solipsism, at least to the part f that philosophy which states that nothing outside of the self exists, not really, except as a projection of the self. meaning, in actuality, everything one sees and experiences is, in actuality, simply part of one’s imagination— a “projection” on one’s ego whose existence is purely to fulfill a need of the self and is represented/projected as such.
it’s a particularly sociopathic and self-serving view of the world, which illustrates very quickly the types of people it attracts as an ideology and those to whom it’s an easy and quick defense.
If you are a liberal and a vegetarian then you do not eat meat. If you are a conservative and a vegetarian you are the only one allowed to eat meat.
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So you admit you’ve never met a three-year-old anti-vaxxer while also admitting it was their parents’ decision… How am I supposed to respond to such a self-contradictory and anti-intellectual comment as that? 
No 3 year old is an anti-vaxxer, silly goose. They’re unvaccinated because their parents are anti-vaxxers.
Unvaccinated does not equal anti-vax. Are you able to grasp that?
just say you didn’t read or understand my comment. no need to embarrass yourself.
I suspect you need to put the bottle down, sir.
keep crying about it, why don’t you? lol
The worst part is they aren’t hurting themselves, since they were vaccinated as children, but their kids will suffer instead
I wish it were that simple. But those people are going to take up hospital beds, nurses, doctors, etc away from people who got vaccinated (or couldn’t due to medical conditions). They’ll drive up medical prices even more. They’ll spread their diseases to those with compromised immune systems.
I don’t feel sorry for them, but they’ll harm and kill others on their way out.
perhaps you missed the part where I nether pity them, accept their excuses or equivocations, or accept, in any way, any reason for their refusal of their civic, social, or moral responsibilities? because when you say:
I wish it were that simple
please explain wtf you mean that I didn’t address pretty explicitly in my first comment
As for driving insurance prices. I remember there was a law that was introduced in NY that allowed insurance to do that. Everyone was saying it was symbolic, because they already could set different prices for unvaccinated.
Couldn’t they just do that?
It’s really too bad that Covid wasn’t deadlier. Can we get Covid Classic back?
Super Covid?
Airborne Ebola?
If it makes you feel better medical prices were going to go up anyhow.
Well, given that the vast majority of these folks are aligned to a particular political party… And it’s an election year during covid/flu/rsv season…
Carry on!
It’s a bit uncomfortable to be cheering for eugenics, even if it is self-administered…
I don’t think this counts as eugenics, as nobody is forcing them to kill themselves. This looks more like natural selection to me. I’m all for it.
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This is as much eugenics as when that cult all killed themselves. Exact same situation.
Fortunately this isn’t government mandated “cleansing”, these people are being told to get vaccinated/wear masks/use hand sanitizer. They’re being given every opportunity and encouragement to protect themselves.
Definitely Darwinism doing what Darwinism does.
I just feel bad for the immunocompromised people who will unfortunately inevitably get caught up in the assholes who refuse to take necessary precautions.
I just saw somewhere that (of course it’s Florida) politicians in Florida are calling to stop distribution of vaccines there because of “potential to cause cancer.”
Hmmm… Now you care about carcinogens? You know what helps prevent carcinogens from entering the ecosystem? Corporate regulations. Oops I said the bad R word… They don’t actually give a shit about what causes cancer, it’s just another political stunt…
We really need to come back to reality as a country. Unfortunately it will take another thirty years.
Unfortunately it will take us actually taking action against propagandists, but since they’re “the press” they get a free pass to do whatever they want.
It’s a horrible scenario to be in, because you definitely don’t want to open that can of worms with the current political system. Who gets to decide what is propaganda and what isn’t? I could easily see a Trump administration labeling all media that isn’t right wing media as “propaganda unfit for consumption.”
So we rely on the intelligence of the common individual to see through the bullshit… As we all know common sense isn’t common :(
Needless and needle-less 🥁
Fucking sucks for immunocompromised people as well I’m sure
My mom has lymphoma. She gets extremely sick from even minor colds. I am very worried about losing her to an infection, and the thought that it could be a vaccine-preventable infection fills me with rage
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These people have gone too long without people they love dying in front of them from things like prolonged diarrhea lung, mucus intoxication and blood tears. Also the holocaust survivors and WW2 soldiers have mostly passed away.
We have a collective goldfish memory and right wing governments constantly sabotaging public education. We also lack empathy on the whole. Civilization doesn’t feel like it can sustain much longer.
We saw it during COVID too though, so many people refusing vaccinations because they are complete morons who don’t believe in science, as their family members die around them one by one, many of them still deciding that they won’t let “the man” win and inject them with “that poison”.
