Bold coming from the top innovator of printer behavior that deserves hatred…
I laugh at this every time I see it, but I also like to point out that Rage was, in fact, extremely explicit about what machine they were raging against.
I don’t know. It’s commonly accepted that their lyrics have a bit of an anti-estabishment sentiment, but statements such as “believin’ all the lies that they’re tellin’ ya / buyin’ all the products that they’re sellin’ ya”, or even “fuck you I won’t do what you tell me” (stated by the machine) can just as easily applied to most situations where a printer is involved. Maybe there’s somehing to it?
If you have to brag about people not hating your product, it ain’t a good product.
WTF, I thought HP had the MOST hated printers?
Epson is getting away with its ecotank models, and Brother lasers have been the go to for a lot of people.
I want to love my ecotank Epson. The software is butt ugly, but works. The printer itself isn’t the nicest looking, but works.
But man, the print quality. No matter how many times I run a cleaning cycle, it’s still a smeary mess within two pages and the deep clean doesn’t work. Neither the instructions in the manual nor found online work.
I think that’s just how epsons are. My first two printers were Epson and they both started smearing ink after a few years.
I got my ecotank two years ago and haven’t had a reason to buy ink since. I still have plenty of the ink that came with it. The most frustrating thing has been that I have to let it run through a cleaning cycle when I haven’t printed in a while. Well, that and the fact it took me a second to realize it doesn’t support WPA3.
The cleaning cycle thing is pretty common with any inkjet. My old HPs all do it when I havent used them in a while.
Absolutely the most hated. The marketing chuds are gaslighting by claiming to be less hated. Nah, nah brah. Seriously the most hated. By FAR.
I have a Epson L1300 ecotank, and never managed to get that poop work on Linux and the software is annoying on Windows… And every time printing, I need to start with cleaning the nozzle multiple times before the print quality is even half decent
They must be going for the mainstream audience that just knows printers suck. That, and anybody who knows enough to see how funny that sentence is, has already sworn off HP forever.
Brother is the go to because their stuff is basic and functional.
All the other companies have “innovated” to the point where their shit is unusable for daily use.
Yep, Brother rocks.
Too lazy for my usual lengthy monologue about Brother when this comes up, but works well with Linux, far more reasonable ink cost than any other brand I’ve tried, and the even low end ‘inkvestment’ model we have has really lived up to its claims regarding ink longevity. It doesn’t even hassle you when you use off brand ink, but I only tried hat once since I had so little complaint about the Brother ink. You do lose ink level indication, which is annoying, but that’s it, and manually checking level is also easy with this style of printer.
You do lose ink level indication
If you’re talking about the laser printers, the toner level is available in the printer’s web UI and via the network. I have mine integrated into Home Assistant.
I have mine integrated into Home Assistant.
Oh that’s neat. How did you accomplish that?
It’s a built-in integration: https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/brother. For me, Home Assistant automatically detected the printer on the network and showed a notification in the app / on the site about a new device being found.
It provides pretty much all the data you’d want… Remaining drum life, toner level, page count, status (sleeping, idle, printing, paper jam, out of paper), and I think a few other things.
It has a web UI?
Yes!
I have a cheap Canon Pixma inkjet that doesn’t seem to be enshitified. Probably about 3 years old at this point though.
My kids started school and I had a need to print lots of medical forms and other paperwork, I bought a brother laser printer. Because it was basic and functional and didn’t try to force me into an ink subscription that gave them permission to disable my hardware.
Shoot ink on paper. That’s all you need to do. Don’t give me a built in screen, or onerous firmware, or any of that nonsense.
Get a Brother color laser and live happily ever after.
That said, my experience with non-HP inkjets is they’re much less reliable (Brother) and more jam prone (Canon) than HP. I’ve yet to try an Epson though.
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Three short HP video ad campaigns detailed by Marketing Communication News include one with a customer supremely frustrated with his printer’s low ink warning.
Despite this, HP has continued to roll out sudden disruptive firmware updates to add dynamic security to additional printer models.
That happened earlier this year, when users reported that their previously functioning third-party ink wouldn’t work in their HP printer anymore.
HP didn’t explain why dynamic security was suddenly necessary, nor did it warn users relying on their printers for work and other critical matters.
CFO Marie Myers highlighted the business value of constraining customer choice at the UBS Global Technology conference for investors this week.
The executive added that HP’s “really proud” about raising “the range on our print margins” through “bold moves and shifting models.”
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I’m not sure what’s worse, that “less hated” would be a serious brag in the printer industry, or that it’s not even true for the ones claiming it
I don’t think they misread the room at all. HP is pretty much at the top of the heap due to its corporate hardware installs and support contracts (which aren’t going away any time soon). Their lower end stuff is all over the home office and small office markets. Their older stuff is used by much of the open source community. The number of folks who’re going to switch to another manufacturer in disgust because of the tone of this marketing campaign will barely put a dent in their revenue streams for the next fiscal year, perhaps a fraction of a percentage point.
Incidentally, “we suck less than our competitors” is not a new marketing technique. It’s probably the second oldest marketing technique.
what’s the oldest
Drawing people in with open questions.
I would have guessed it was titties
“We’re the best, and here’s why…”
You know the printing industry is messed up when “Our printers are less hated” is not satire.
I despise printers. I have never owned one that wasn’t evil.
I think the only printer I had that wasn’t evil was my Commodore MPS-1200.
Those were the good old days. Printers were definitely less evil back then. But then, so was technology in general.
I was you once. In 2018, I bought a dumb, black-and-white laser printer (Brother HL-L2300D). It has done nothing but print whenever asked. I’ve only had to change the toner once (to be fair, I print infrequently). It doesn’t require special software. It was cheap. I highly recommend going this route.
I have a Brother black-and-white laser printer, and it is, in fact, evil. I commented about it in this thread in fact: it never prints when it’s asked to because its deep sleep is so deep that computers can’t communicate with it without the use of troubleshooting software. So it doesn’t fit the requirement of “prints without any problems”.
If it is network connected, consider giving it a static IP in the router. I can imagine the computer being confused by the printer having a new IP since last time (can happen with automatic IP), when you try to print something.
All the devices on my network have static IPs. We have a system.
I’m sure your issue is valid on your particular system, but I have two Brother L2300D printers in different locations and my experience has been exactly zzzzz’s above. I have changed the toner once for each in years, and it’s always reliable. It may be you having a rare issue.
I’m sure there are owners of every brand of printer that are perfectly happy with them. :)
Of course lemmings always recommend brother
I’ve worked on a LOT of printers. Brother makes an extremely good product
You’ve sold me. I hope to move out soon. I might invest.
TSE
I mean I’ve had my Brother long before I knew about Lemmy. I have never had it not print the thing I wanted it to print. Before that I had about half a dozen inkjet printers that worked maybe 40% of the time in the first few months and then dropped steeply when the print heads got gummed up, or the feed got jammed. But the Brother has been working a treat for five years and counting.
I’ve been a lemming for less than a year.
I’ve been on the same black & white brother laser printer for well over a decade! It’s on toner cartridge #3.
Lemmy attracts BrotherBro’s (maybe we can make a better name)
After reading stories like this, I more and more convinced that if we want to have a free market, we need to limit the size of companies allowed to participate in it. Because if you have 2 companies controlling the whole market, they can and will produce “dynamic security”-type of garbage.
We’re in this situation because the government gets kickbacks to craft policy in favor of businesses instead of the market overall or the consumers. No way they’ll limit the size of companies.
This is honestly the realization we really, really need to have as a species. It kind of feels like the lesson a lot of what we’ve seen this year has driven home, and it’s something I’ve started hearing echoed, so maybe we’re starting to get there.
This whole obsession with everything needing to constantly expand is absolutely destroying us, our environment, and everything good that we make.
We’ve got to start going in the other direction.
Fuck printer companies
Yeah!
Remember when Domino’s Pizza admitted that their pizza was shit, and that they’d work really hard to make it less shit? How’d that work out for them?
Honestly I like it now. I didn’t really eat it before 2011 but since about 2014 it’s been good enough for 6.99 medium 2 topping pan pizza. Also pan pizza is the only way to go. Their thin or regular crust is fine but for the price I’d rather have pizza hut.
Domino’s is expensive, delicious addictive shit that’s always available on short notice
Great in an emergency, probably not very good for you though
6.99 for a medium 2 topping pizza isn’t expensive compared to my other options. Also it’s pizza, you shouldn’t eat it every night.
Assuming that’s dollars and not pounds that’s alright, but often if I’m getting Domino’s it’s delivery for one reason or another and that often ends up expensive, especially if you want to customise it
Funniest comment I ever read on youtube “The Noid doesn’t need to ruin their pizza, they already do a good enough job themselves”
Uhhhh, actually really well? I mean it’s still shitty pizza, but they legitimately turned their entire company around, and prevented bankruptcy and going out of business lol
If you think American Domino’s is bad, you should try Australian Domino’s. It’s way worse.
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