Israel’s military has informed the United Nations that the entire population of northern Gaza should relocate to the southern half of the territory within 24 hours, the U.N. spokesman, Stéphane Dujarric, said late on Thursday night, adding that such a movement — involving over one million people — would lead to “devastating humanitarian consequences.”
“The same order applied to all U.N. staff and those sheltered in U.N. facilities — including schools, health centers and clinics,” Mr. Dujarric said.
The U.N. was told that the marker dividing the north from south was Wadi Gaza, the statement said.
The U.N. Security Council is scheduled to hold an emergency meeting on Friday afternoon in a closed consultation format
Oh I don’t like this, I really, really don’t like this. This is giving terrifying vibes
I’m afraid there’s gonna be a genocide in Gaza
Merely more genocide
Yes, don’t let people forget that this has been an on going genocide in Gaza and this is just Benjamin “needs a tiny moustache” Netanyahu “starting up the ovens” if you wanna get dark with it.
Maybe en masse ethnic cleansing would be a better term here than genocide. The point is, this is going to be an escalation of what was already not pretty.
Maybe en masse ethnic cleansing would be a better term here than genocide.
Aren’t those the same thing?
Friendly reminder that Israel doesn’t really mind bombing “safe routes”
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This all increasingly makes that horrible Hamas attack kinda look like a false flag event
Ding ding ding
They did not need to, they created a situation where this was bound to happen, and then they just followed the mantra: Never let a good crisis go to waste.
After the debacle with the “beheaded babies”, I’m going through and evaluating every claim that’s been made. The mistake that was made before the Iraq War - the public failing to hold the government’s feet to the fire over claims about weapons, war crimes, etc., to make sure they had a basis in reality - unfolded into somewhere near a million deaths. That kind of failure can’t ever be acceptable.
This just seems unlikely to me. But I do believe the Iranians funded and assisted with the planning of the attack.
I get the feeling that Hamas was maybe even a little surprised by how successful the attack was. Which has brought about a reprisal even they didn’t see coming.
Why would Iran do that? What do they gain?
Their regional rival Saudi Arabia is in talks with Israel to make an alliance with them and the u.s. in exchange for military aid. With recent events they now have to either
- Give up on the alliance and the military aid and getting all the latest in military tech.
- Continue forth with the alliance and make themselves look like a bootlicking puppet of the u.s. in front of the entire Arab world.
Funding Hamas is popular domestically in Iran.
Influence over an unstable region
Even if it is, speculating about that without any solid evidence just makes your argument seem weak imo.
Bad things happen and there are those who are more than willing to take advantage of those events. Doesn’t matter if its tsunamis or genocides: there’s people looking to exploit the situation for their own gain and have the power to do so at the suffering of huge numbers of people. That doesn’t mean resort business owners are making artificial earthquakes.
K thanks mom, but what’s for dinner
Maybe not false flag but I absolutely believe they let it happen on purpose. Netanyahu and Co have been setting this up for years after creating hamas and making sure they were the only governing body that could exist there.
This is the final step to their plan to “solve” the Gaza strip problem. A sort of… final solution I guess?
We’ve heard the iron dome touted as one of the most sophisticated defense systems for ever… yet the attack happens, and it just… does nothing?
Yeah, no. The IDF let this happen. Israel let their own citizens get slaughtered so they would have an excuse to terrorize Palestinians.
The Iron Dome isn’t magic and intercepting rockets is not a fully solved problem. It’s usually able to intercept something like 90% of incoming rockets that it attempts to intercept. Part of its design is an ability to evaluate how dangerous a rocket is by judging where it is going to land, and it ignores those that it expects not to land in populated areas. During the crisis in May 2021 there were about 4,000 rockets launched over the course of a week, and the Dome managed about 90% of those. 400 rockets hitting targets is obviously still a lot of damage. But the thing is, the difficulty of intercepting each individual rocket goes up if you have to deal with several at once, and this current round of rockets may have been as many as 5,000 in one day. If Iron Dome takes x seconds to deal with one rocket and each rocket flies for 5x seconds, then launching 10 rockets at once means that the Dome just hasn’t got time to deal with them all before they land.
That doesn’t say anything one way or the other about foul play. But it’s not weird that an advanced anti-rocket system was overwhelmed; that’s just one of the known ways to defeat a system like that.
I’ll agree qith the other user, you chose a poor example here.
If anyone else getting worried about WW3?
America is going to be split in 2 conflicts. Now is the perfect time for China, North Korea, and any other enemies to make advances on territory they want.
Absolute madness.
They are going to try and push them into Egypt and take it all.
They really can’t, though. They’d have to give up their cheap, oppressed labor force. Unless they’ve finally decided to do that, which would be a real change in their position. They’re just going to keep squeezing.
They’d still have the West Bank
I suppose so.
Netanyahoo is a nationalist fuck, so that’s probably what his plan was if it’s true he and his military intelligence ignored the planned attack.
Serious question: If the whole point of Israel is to have a country for Jewish people, doesn’t that make it a nationalist state by definition?
Zionism is by definition a nationalist ideology, so yes.
And this is where I never agreed with my Jewish inlaws. You aren’t allowed to be critical of their ideology because to criticize the state is to criticize Jewish people. A lot of them feel this way.
I would argue the disingenuous ones use the historical events of the Holocaust to allow them carte blanche on their policies since then.
Then again, we aren’t allowed to have an adult conversation around that IMHO. Yes there’s a lot of complexity there and yes I am oversimplifying things.
That’s sad, my relatives from the Jewish side are more adequate. Not sure that’s the case now, though.
My Jewish inlaws are very liberal but at the same time I don’t think traditional Anglo-Saxons fully understand how tightly embedded their religion is to their identity even if they’re not religious. Same can be said of Muslims. That’s where the complexity comes in. You’re starting a conversation where bringing up aspects of religion and faith are a core aspect of their identity and their country’s identity.
Well, my relatives are definitely religious, even if there’s nothing “ultra” about them (except for ultracool and ultrasmart maybe, haha). Since being Jewish is a religious thing more than ethnic one, it’s obviously very hard to separate these (well, the state of Israel itself was such an attempt at creating a stable secular-Jewish identity).
And what’s happening now is not about religion anyway, it’s about lots of genocidal actions, which makes people emotional.
That makes it a Theocracy.
Yes they explicitly want an ethnostate.
It makes it an ethnostate, but because of Israeli policies it goes all the way to Apartheid.
If Israel wanted Gaza they would have taken it years ago or never left in the first place.
Where are the NGOs with boats in order to bring them to Europe?
Most likely blockaded by the Israeli Navy. Gaza is being isolated and besieged right now, that includes the coast. And yes, I notice the racist dog whistle you’re throwing. But this is not the place to bring this kind of passive-aggresive arguments.
Looks like they don’t want to give Hamas time to move their weapons. Whoever came up with this method should be celebrated.
It will force Hamas to give up on hunkering down with their human shields. This counters that, and gives the human shields a chance to escape from the death cult.
Tunnels. Hamas will be fine. The ground invasion is going to be insane.
Ground invasion would be a meat grinder. Israel would rather bomb it into ashes before they fight house to house in Gaza.
The bombings the past few days were targeting tunnels. The penetrating explosions can be identified with tall, narrow plumes of dirt.
Is tunnel another euphemism for Palestinian child?
“gives the human shields a chance to escape from the death cult” is a WILD way to describe how millions of civilians suddenly have less than 24 hours to move south (where? Who cares?) lest they get absolutely bombed to fuck.
The alternative clearly wasn’t working. Any time they telegraphed a bombing, Hamas would force them to stay in the building to die so useful idiots would keep criticizing Israel for the death toll.
Now there’s no excuse.
A very slim chance. 24 hours is very short notice, and the circumstances make it very difficult to relocate so many people.
It defeats the purpose if you give Hamas time to organize. Getting rid of Hamas ASAP is the surest way to minimize civilian casualties.
The surest way to minimize civilian casualties is to not drop any bombs.
The incursion has been withdrawn, the threat has been contained as much as it can be. Any bombing now is pure retaliation. Any disablement of Hamas strength won by this will be only temporary and will be restored in a few years with more anger, all at the cost of civilian lives.
If Israel truly only cares about protecting Israeli lives, they’d establish a line, start rebuilding the fence with better surveillance and start negotiating for the release of the hostages.
It makes some sense from a military perspective to destroy certain enemy positions. Centres for command and communication. Missile launch sites, missile workshops, storage facilities.
Yes, Hamas is probably already very good in adapting to strikes on these, and the infrastructure will be rebuilt in a few years tops. But if that means less missiles fly into Israel for a few years, it could make sense militarily.
It is a dilemma this infrastructure is interwoven into a civilian, urban area. Whatever you do, someone will have good arguments to blame you.
Of course, the surest way to avoid [Palestinian] civilian casualties is to not drop any bombs. But since that also means Hamas will have it easier to make and send new missiles, or plan and launch new border raids, not dropping bombs does not maximize [Israeli] civilian safety.
I’m aware this conflict is way more dirty than it may sound here.
Soo, trail of tears in Gaza?
And the pendulum of insanity swings to the other side. They almost deserve each other.
it’s a toxic relationship. with civilians in the middle
Yeahhhhh… This is fucked up. Really fucked up. I’m now worried that they’ll genocide or even nuke the area.
They won’t nuke it. The reason for this conflict is, at it’s core, that Israel wants that land for their people. They don’t want it uninhabitable.
They could use neutron radiation, wears off pretty quickly, leaves the infrastructure
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What would be the point of this from a non fucked up standpoint? It’s not like that would help them get the fuckers who did this. All I can see is that they want to destroy everything if Palestinians somehow could completely comply. The fact that they can’t just means Israel wants to kill a bunch of people who are unable to get out.
There was a video called something like “IDF destroys Hamas commando’s house”
This building was 12 floors. Nobody can convince me some random-ass Hamas grunt owned all that.
Seems it’s OK to kill dozens of families as long as you do it from two miles up. This is just revenge.
By the end of next week I doubt Gaza city will even exist.
Didn’t they use that same excuse to take out the Gaza Hospital? People are going to be looking at Israel with a new set of eyes when this is over.
Last time Israel invaded they spent significant time destroying tunnels. It’s dangerous work that leaves them exposed, so the less people around the better.
Israel warned them though. So it’s totally fine if they commit genocide.
Obviously anyone who hasn’t evacuated is aligned with Hamas and is staying to fight. Obviously anyone running once the ground invasion starts is cowardly Hamas soldiers that are running away from the righteous power of god’s chosen. Obviously some of the ones fleeing go away, so carpet bombing the rest of the territory we told Tom to go to is necessary to make sure this doesn’t happen again.
Big fucking /s
Israelis are narcissist to disgusting levels. They think that showing some morality when it costs them nothing and being absolutely fascist in other cases is how moral societies behave. They think they are a moral society.
And “the world” supports them, while after the bombings of Gaza which have already took place they should have gotten some internationally approved missile strikes on their cities in addition to Hamas ones.
I mean, they really are confident that for such a massacre they can kill 10 times more people and be in their right. I really hope Hezbollah is preparing for something big so that they didn’t get the wrong lesson from all this.
Based on social media the last week. Your comment isn’t obviously sarcastic any more. It’s just sad how horrible people are. And so many.
What would be the point of this from a non fucked up standpoint?
I think the bad and good reasons can be true at the same time. Plenty of others list the bad reasons. For the good reasons:
- it is unlikely Hamas could evacuate its weaponry, rocket stockpiles and other supplies in 24 hours undetected
- so some will be flushed out at which point they can be engaged
- others will remain, so having the civilian population leave - even if not completely - it’s the best way to reduce collateral deaths and give Hamas as little time to prepare as possible
- hostages area likely being held in the north, hence the time pressure to separate as many civilians as possible and isolate Hamas
- the crisis would be less of a crisis of the Arab nations actually stepped up to help but none of them want anything to do with Gaza Palestinians…
- finally (up to you if this is a good or bad reason) Israel may well intend to bulldoze every building in North Gaza to deny its use to Hamas and it’s obviously safer for the population to not be there when it happens. This may increase the chances of the UN / Egypt creating a viable refugee camp inside the Egyptian border which may well be Israel’s end game
Destroy the houses and then take the land. They are speeding up what they have already done since the beginning.
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I think that’s the point
When you treat an entire nation like livestock and then get surprised they are hating you.
I wish there was a way for normal Israelis to get the same treatment as Gazans so that they have finally seen what is the real root cause of the problem.
The media is extremely opionated and show predominantly the human side of the Israelis and there are almost no stories about the horror in Gaza. That’s not exactly independent media.
When I read things like this I always wonder, which media are you consuming? How can anyone who spends even the absolute minimum of time following the news be unaware of the situation in Gaza?
Millions of Americans get their news from social media.
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I do consume English media and for example aljazeera. But looking at German media you see that they omitted most of the cruel things Israel did in the last decades. It’s all Hamas is so bad (it is) and Israel is going to retaliate now.
I think SDZ had plenty of articles on Gaza and West Bank? That’s a major newspaper
They said they’d “never forget.” Didn’t seem to take very long. Within what, 2 maybe 3 generations?
Israel has to defeat Hamas decisively - there is no alternative.
And quit shitting only on Israel for the current situation of Gaza and Westbank. Arafat walked away from a Palestinian state in 2000 and chose terror instead. The continued terror attacks CREATED the awful living conditions in Gaza.
