Let me paraphrase: Gen Z refuse to take any bullshit from deluded boomers.
This millennial can’t either.
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nah never had that issue and I’m pretty fuckin opinionated. As a chef I argue more with old heads than gen z or millennials.
old fuckers think they know everything
We just reposting the same things from 10 years ago with “millennials” replaced by “gen z?”
Same thing as thousands of years ago.
No, there’s a radical difference here. Yeah, some of these stories are “young people today” bullshit that will always be true. Gen Z truly got fucked by the pandemic and social media.
Judging by the comments here, there won’t be any discussion. Which kinda proves the point.
Social media is the real world today. Yes, the pandemic put everyone’s life on hold for 3 years and that’s going to screw up people’s formative years, but this article hasn’t done much to separate that out from the gripes every new generation entering the workforce gets.
Fair point on the second bit, but I don’t understand social media being the real world.
You and I are having a real discussion right now. It’s every bit as real as discussion as if we were having it in person.
Social media has been around over 20 years. The attitude that it’s some other world outside the real world that doesn’t count is antiquated. Social media is part of life, just like everything else we do.
Article ignores key factors of why people would behave in the office like that…
It is a disingenuous fake news.
There are NO factors for behaving like that in the office. If a young person doesn’t have the basic social skill of shutting the fuck up about politics in the workplace, wouldn’t you say they lack, at the very least, that one simple skill?
Watch these comments for more evidence. Anyone agreeing with the article’s premise, or trying to add discussion/nuance, is getting downvoted with no reply.
In my experience, it’s the boomers who can’t shut the fuck up about politics in the workplace, so trying to lay blame the zoomers for not rolling over and taking it just reeks of more boomer entitlement. shrugs
Calling out someone for being racist, sexist or any of the other behaviors that are no longer acceptable isn’t political, despite one side often labeling it as such.
I’m thinking that a lot of the people commenting might work in pretty homogeneous environments.
I work with people from almost every group, and from every background. Calling people out on this horrendous behaviour maintains a safe work environment, and helps eliminate workplace toxicity. You can’t insult a group without also insulting a coworker. Work culture wise, even if they aren’t the target, people get very angry at the people who talk like that. “Why would you say that about Nimmy? Nimmy’s awesome!”. People should be able to earn their livelihoods in peace, imo.
At my job, if you insult a coworker through bigotry, you can expect (at minimum) a long talk with HR for the first offense. (Our HR department is also diverse.) A manager was just fired a few months ago for being bigoted. The best part? NO ONE misses them, not even the company a-holes.
Even from a completely corporate standpoint, it makes sense. You really don’t want that kind of reputation if you want to keep your investors or a family friendly reputation. Media would chew them up and spit them out if they allowed bigotry like that.
In my experience, it’s the boomers and fellow far right wing that talk politics in the workplace. Especially when they think it’s a safe space for “locker room talk”. Then they accuse the younger generation of being political because they dare to have LGTBQ+ pins, or don’t want to participate with racism or don’t look down on someone for having dyed hair.
Shut up you
millennialgen z snowflake! You’ll take the recycled content and enjoy it/s, if it wasn’t obvious….I’m noting that same trend myself.
Gen Z are ruining the recycled content industry!
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Does that mean Gen Z are going to kill the diamond industry again?
Maybe there’s a degree of truth to this, but the issue doesn’t only apply to Gen Z… I’ve had plenty of overgrown children in their 40s and 50s lose their shit in the workplace when the slightest bit of pushback comes up about anything. I’d say this is more of a general communication skills problem these days
No, it’s more that the boomers/older Gen X treats any sign of even polite disagreement as attacks on their very character. Many of them simply cannot accept that their views are outdated, and any challenges to their view is a disrespectful slight.
It’s very telling that many of them still complain about millennials as children ruining everything to this day, when the oldest millennials are in their early 40s, and they are somehow shocked that Gen Z is even more progressive and vocal about their views than us millennials.
Not to mention some views of older folks are absolutely bigoted. But it’s the kids who are wrong, apparently.
It’s impressive, you’re absolutely everywhere :o
But not in my bedroom 🥲
It’s rare for me to have this much free time, you’ll probably see a lot less of me here once work starts again.
You will be sorely missed then.
Meanwhile said CEO is the one that intentionally promotes ‘clueless’ people (Read overtly offensive) people as leaders and then paints the workers that are coerced to humor them as in the wrong when they don’t put up with it.
Have you ever actually watched Channel 4? They’re one of the more progressive voices in UK media, I very much doubt that their management are all secretly bigots behind the scenes.
It is hilarious that this thread proves the article right.
Actually no, this is not true at all. It’s just that everyone who disagrees with me is either trolling, completely ignorant about basic, objective scientific facts, or is a hate-filled extermist. Our society will surely be destroyed if I pretend even for a second that these awful people’s dangerous views are worth listening to or engaging with or being allowed to exist.
Actually no, this is not true at all. It’s just that everyone who disagrees with me is either trolling, completely ignorant about basic, objective scientific facts, or is a hate-filled extermist. Our society will surely be destroyed if I pretend even for a second that these awful people’s dangerous views are worth listening to or engaging with or being allowed to exist.
Yeah I agree, the guy who thinks I should solve this database file location issue by standardizing the call and making a change in every class we have to prevent future work, but necessitating lots of testing, is a hate-filled extremist.
Obviously my position that we should take the existing structure and write a simple base-class level method to handle it and then assume future edge cases may pop up is the only ethically correct stance. Maybe he’s trolling.
😁
He’s a fucking Nazi that’s what he is.
LOL, no lie. Well, let’s see how that pans out for them socially and in the workplace. We’ll have a Social Darwinism kind of experiment, see who gets along best in the long run.
Social Darwinism- the theory that individuals, groups, and peoples are subject to the same Darwinian laws of natural selection as plants and animals. Now largely discredited, social Darwinism was advocated by Herbert Spencer and others in the late 19th and early 20th centuries and was used to justify political conservatism, imperialism, and racism and to discourage intervention and reform.
I don’t understand why you’re advocating for social darwinism, but it may be my lack of communication skills at fault.
LOL, not that exactly. Just saying that the ability to get along with people, even people with wildly different viewpoints, is a predictor of workplace success.
Cause you’re seeing views you disagree with and can’t handle it?
It literally does the opposite but ok
Proposition:
“Gen Z is bad at discussion”
Reaction:
“Gen Z isn’t bad at discussion, everyone at the workplace has bad opinions and we shouldn’t have to discuss”
Reality:
Offices aren’t filled to the brim with evil people and yes you do have to talk to people you disagree with on a high level. Gen Z probably really does have issues with actual high level discussion because they’ve grown up their whole life surrounded by Internet echo chambers. This includes right wingers.
Offices aren’t filled to the brim with evil people
It depends on what you mean here. If your politics say that LGTBQ+ people don’t deserve to live, that some children just need to die (school lunches being cut), that it’s ok to force raped children to give birth, then, yeah you’reat least a little evil. If you believe that women or people of a different skin color are less than you you’re at least a little evil. Even if you’re a pleasant conversationalist, even if you donate time and money, are kind to children and animals, if you have evil opinions, or support people who do, you are a little evil.
Bootlicker spotted…
Have you worked in the office?!
I mean it’s a problem with a lot of Gen Z in the west yes. But where I live someone’s opinion does not affect how well you get along with them, probably because people aren’t addicted to the internet as people are in the west. Also if anything you’re the one who isn’t accepting other’s views lol.
Also if anything you’re the one who isn’t accepting other’s views lol.
This is like textbook behavior from people who have a problem with discussion. Phrasing disagreement as if it’s “not accepting my view”.
I mean, all you’re doing is saying anyone who disagrees with you is the problem.
You literally are though, you’re acting as if my views are invalid. I fully respect your beliefs but from the way you’re writing these replies, it doesn’t seem like you’re respecting mine
Just to double check, your stance is that a minority should be forced to be cordial with somebody who hates them simply for existing?
Unfortunately for everybody, businesses will need to recruit and retain Gen Z employees. If that means that they have to change their company culture, then that’s going to have to happen.
My stance is that the people in this thread, and you, are jumping to hilarious conclusions to justify your continued head-up-assery.
your stance is that a minority should be forced to be cordial with somebody who hates them simply for existing?
Like seriously. Read the article and read what I said. Find where exactly I said this.
Hint: I didn’t.
My point is that this inability to debate and handle opinions you don’t like extends well beyond dealing with some random bigot.
businesses will need to recruit and retain Gen Z employees. If that means that they have to change their company culture, then that’s going to have to happen.
They also need to… do business. They need to have debates and discussion and decide on courses of action when two people feel strongly about how the company should behave, and echo chamber natives are very bad at actually articulating their thoughts and defending their points absent their peers backing them up.
Find where exactly I said this.
“yes you do have to talk to people you disagree with on a high level”
Your problem is that you’re doing the fun game of pretending that “political differences” these days are still in the realms of disagreeing whether quantitative easing is sound economic practice, rather than disagreeing whether trans people should get to exist or not.
If you vote for a party based on their economic policy, and that party happens to be actively recruiting from the ranks of white supremacists, then congratulations: you’ve just voted at least in part for white supremacy, whether you realised it or not. If you vote for a party currently trying to win votes by campaigning on the grounds of climate change being a hoax, then congratulations, that’s exactly what you voted for.
They need to have debates and discussion and decide on courses of action
Essentially all the discussion in this thread so far has basically been focused around being outspoken against bigotry, so I’d be really interested what industry you work in where there are transferable skills from lively debates on whether racism is a good thing or not.
What’s an example of an opinion you think Bill from accounting could hold that your standard Gen-Z employee would find unacceptable?
Essentially all the discussion in this thread so far has basically been focused around being outspoken against bigotry,
Yeah, because the people in this thread didn’t read the article and are making excuses for themselves.
What’s an example of an opinion you think Bill from accounting could hold that your standard Gen-Z employee
It literally depends entirely on the people and the company, and the disagreements aren’t cross generations exclusively. The point is that Gen Z is not equipped to handle disagreement in general. You all are the ones jumping to pin it on politics that are already by large literally illegal and heavily squeezed out of corporate spaces.
the people in this thread didn’t read the article
the article is literally just “Gen Z can’t hold a difference of opinion” repeated over and over with different phrasing
most people by now understand what that’s code for, because the other side understands that giving examples would immediately out them as a bigot
otherwise you’d just, you know, give an example
It literally depends entirely on the people and the company
wow wild that you won’t just, you know, give an example
you realise that the narrative of “cancel culture” has been going since long before the pandemic, right? this is the same exact thing just dressed up differently
The article is an opinion piece that is intentionally leaving out what topics they claim are not being debated.
At a time when science has been politicized, it is safe to say these topics are not up for debate. Reality isn’t up for debate. Especially when it is evidence vs opinion.
This is a continuation of the dance around what’s being talked about. The reaction isn’t that ‘other people’s opinions are bad’. The reaction is that oppressive behavior being passed off as innocuous opinion is not genuine opinion, and cannot be tolerated in a peaceful society. But yeah, let’s minimize the opposing view like a cable TV news anchor.
The reaction isn’t that ‘other people’s opinions are bad’. The reaction is that oppressive behavior being passed off as innocuous opinion
The assumption is that this is about oppressive behavior and you’re entitled to hold firm in this mindset. The reality is that there’s likely a genuine issue here and that issue is happily driven and worsened by these sort of assumptions.
Take some time to read up on the person making the claims. Female CEO of a large news network isn’t exactly part of the old boys club.
Then they should provide examples. And not just talk in big general terms.
Welp, Gen Z, it’s your time in the furnace I guess.
I remember when “Millennials are ruining everything” articles were the fodder for lazy writers, now it’s crap like this.
I remember when we killed Applebee’s? That was a fun weekend.
To be fair, Applebee’s needed to be ruined.
I agree but I’ll still miss the quesadilla burger. It was the only half-decent item in their menu.
We just figured out we can microwave our own food
Now it’s cap like this*
When the “disagreement” is that your nosy Boomer Karen coworkers mis-gender you or disapprove of the way you live your life or think it’s NBD that by the time you’re their age we’re going to be in the “find out” phase of the biggest disaster to hit Earth’s biosphere in 65 million years, the problem isn’t really with Gen Z.
Considering everyone who saw the headline and didn’t read the article jumped into the comments talking about Boomers being transphobic, racist, or science deniers, I actually am not surprised at all by the article (which is, of course, generalizing an entire generation and therefore erroneous, but not entirely without merit).
It’s not about the topics they’re disagreeing on, it’s about the ability to disagree congenially and effectively, which is an extremely important skill in any workplace.
You aren’t going to change any minds by saying, “You’re wrong. I’m right. I’m done talking to you about this.” You also aren’t going to have your mind changed if you’re wrong, as is very common in a workplace. My solution to a problem isn’t always the right one. Other times it is. I need to know how to disagree and have constructive discussions about topics I disagree with others on to reach the best solutions.
This is one of the reasons diversity is important to businesses. Diversity of thought and constructive disagreement leads to improvement. But if we outright reject those who do not think like we do we all stagnate in our respective bubbles.
Sure this can be applied to good faith dialogue on larger, more important topics as many here seem to be assuming, but it is essential on day-to-day smaller issues that people face in the workplace.
Or maybe it’s because they have zero patience for people who can’t understand the idea of basic human rights?
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Have your nieces heard of internalized misogyny?
It’s fucking hilarious seeing a bunch of septics in here without a scooby about Channel 4 deciding it must be full of bigoted managers that the gen Z won’t tolerate. When it’s always been one of the most progressive channels in the UK and has been allowing diverse voices to shine for years.
I hope this guy’s company can’t adjust to reality & it’s eaten by a Gen-Z owned competitor.
Unfortunately, Channel 4 is currently a Crown corporation, so they’re owned by the United Kingdom.
So run up until recently by the greatest generation still. Ugh
Y’know, I watched enough kids get shuttled to-and-from school in Chelsea tractors by their onni-present parents that I could actually believe this is a trend. Kids can’t develop resilience if you don’t give them any independence.
Everyone in this thread is jumping to the conclusion that it’s about politics, race, etc.
Meanwhile here’s me wishing the office Zoomer would shut up about the way I drink my coffee.
Sounds like you haven’t got the skills to disagree.
According to the OP, zoomer will never talk to you again if you disagree “hard enough.”
Just say “Has it ever occurred to you that everyone else drinks coffee wrong? I am the world’s best coffee drinker. Donald Trump and Elon Musk have both told me so on Twitter. In fact, Vogue magazine has been trying to schedule me doing a drink out for the last three years. I have denied going on the Joe Rogan Experience twice already out of principles. As you may have surmised, the topic would have been about the proper way to drink coffee. In fact, I know I was drinking coffee, correctly may I add, the exact moment of your conception. I know because that’s how great at drinking coffee I am. But thank you for your concern.”
Yeah but then you’re first on the list when the office needs a scapegoat.
Steve: someone shit in the pinball machine!
Gen Z: I bet that fucking Millenial Nazi did it
Kim, the actual pinball shitter: yep, definitely someone older than us Zoomers
Interesting way of saying “they won’t bend over and spread their arse cheeks”.
