In the wake of his 17-year jail sentence, Joseph Bigg said: “Oh, I know he’ll pardon. I believe that with all my heart.”
as delusional as ever
Trump May pardon him, despite all his pretending he doesn’t know what a proud boy is.
‘trump will pardon him with his mind. from his own prison cell’
good luck with that.
Lol trump only cares about himself this dudes in for a wild ride. Don’t drop the soap my man.
As an outsider, the whole “presidential pardon” system is absolute stupid and ready for abuse.
We have it here as well but it isn’t a free for all. The President receives a list of proposed pardons that have to be vetted one by one by a legal team. Certain offenses are not eligible and only sentences below a given number of years may be pardoned.
It’s not like the man can hand out pardons on a whim.
How does it work in the US?
How does it work in the US?
Generally, the pardon power is meant to be a check on the legislative and judicial branch, and thus it is designed to be this powerful.
Obama used his pardon power to free individuals who were nonviolent drug offenders who got sentenced to years often for simple possession. This doesn’t mean that he didn’t use a slew of lawyers to find these cases. He very much did. But he could, literally, go through a roster of inmates and just pick random people to pardon.
Trump, if reelected, will likely pardon himself and it will need to go through the courts to see if that’s even feasible. Given the current nature of our highest court, it likely will be found constitutional.
Given the current nature of our highest court, it likely will be found constitutional.
Pretty much. From the strict text reading there is nothing about it.
and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
Justice Thompson will get a new boat from a GOP aligned group so at least so it isn’t all bad. Sure it is travesty of the justice and breaks the entire concept of no one being above or below the law but when has that stopped the Robert’s court before?
Nobody knows, including the president. Trump thought he could pardon himself. There aren’t any restrictions other than it must be a crime with federal jurisdiction, the only jurisdiction over which the president has direct power. He can even pardon people in advance.
It is very open for abuse but historically hasn’t been abused that much. Seems like the states are moving towards making it less powerful.
The US seems to work on “I pinky swear not to abuse this” and then is shocked when that turns out poorly.
You need a balance. You can’t have a government that can’t respond/change and you can’t have a government where whomever won the last election is now dictator whose whim is law.
A lot of this stuff was ripe for abuse since the beginning but it was only rarely abused so everyone just left it. Kinda how Vietnam war wasnt declared but went on for like a decade. The potential for that abuse of power was there since the founding days but wasn’t abused until much later.
As I said the states seem like they are moving away from it being an unchecked power so maybe one day there will be a constitutional amendment.
sometimes when these systems are designed, the designers, simply didnt contemplate the crazy shit people will try that are within the systems legal bounds. for example no-one would have ever thought a prime minister would secretly swear himself into multiple minister portfolios even behind his own cabinets back, but thats exactly what the former PM of australia did (and now calls into question the things he signed off on in secret at the time).
Do you have $2 million?
After inflation it’s probably $5 million now, Trump has been living the high life off his donations after all and if there’s one constant he is greedy.
Trump can’t pardon the shiv your cellmate sticks into you because you won’t stop talking about Trump all the damn time. Just put a little hydroxychloroquine on the wound and walk it off!
Well, if the worst comes to pass and that orange bastard actually does become president again, it’ll be fun to watch Joey Bigtime Biggs squirm waiting for that mythical pardon. Assuming we’re not all nuclear vapor by that point.
Right after he pays his legal bills…
How many gramss of copium he’s putting on his prison food as seasoning?
Oh honey, don’t hold your breath.
Please hold your breath. Just a few more months, you can do it.
I found a whole prison full of Proud Boy guards and warden. They’re insidious.
I don’t think he gets that Trump will NEVER be elected again. It’s possible for Trump to even wind up in a state or federal penitentiary; assuming that his defense fails to convince a judge.
He’s almost certainly going to be the Republican candidate. There’s a very real treath of him becoming president again.
You are wrong. He cannot be elected president. The 14th amendment prohibits it.
I wish I was…
Two activist groups are trying to convince the secretaries of a handful of states to disqualify Trump because they believe his actions on January 6 fall under section 3 of the 14th amendment. As of now these efforts have not born any fruit. I’ll be celebrating with you if they ever do.
I remember being one of the fools who thought he wouldn’t stand a chance the first time around.
This time around I’m praying and I’m not even religious.
I live in red country. I hear them every day. Teachers, lawyers, doctors, nurses, police officers, farmers, constructions workers, welders, even dirt poor disabled welfare recipients. They all say, “I can’t wait until Trump gets back in and fixes this mess.”
The media they consume all says he’s innocent. The podcasts they listen to all cheer for the day his political opponents are jailed.
Even with the recording where he pressured officials to find more votes. Even with all of the charges. Even with the republicans who come out and talk about his crimes.
To them it’s all political theater from the left. It’s all a big conspiracy to take down the greatest man who ever lived.
I’ve heard the words, “poor old Trump. It’s a shame what they’re putting him through, and he just keeps going because he loves America.”
The threat is real. Please please please, don’t think for a second he can’t win.
Please stop spreading misinformation. Donald Trump cannot win. The 14th amendment prohibits it.
You are wrong and certain, which makes you dangerous. Unless convicted of these crimes, nothing is stopping him. Basically you are setting the bar so anyone can yell sedition in a crowded theater, and now no one there can be president.
No, you are absolutely wrong. Trump HAS charges against him on both state and federal levels.
The 14th amendment places no emphasis on a judge finding one guilty. Therefore yes; it can be that broad. We can show he did something; Congress, DoJ and a State would not be investigating otherwise.
I remember telling people it’s possible and having a whole bunch of online folk tell me how Stephen Wang from Princeton said there was a 98% chance that Democrats would win.
Nate Silver went from being congratulated for his predictions to getting criticized for mentioning that there were correlated errors which could easily result in a Republican president. It was interesting because Silver wasn’t even predicting a Republican victory just a 40% chance it could happen.
Trump can be elected again. Holding that office is another thing.
This is blatantly false. The 14th Amendment prohibits it.
This is blatantly false. The 14th Amendment prohibits it.
Quote the part of the 14th Amendment where it prohibits someone from being elected to an office. I’ll link the Amendment here: https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-14/
If you read what i said, i differentiated between being elected and holding office. Careful when you say something is “blatantly false”. That sounds like you were accusing me of lying, and that can create a toxic community.
There is no clear mechanic to do that with. I am sure some blue states will pull him off the ballot but he was going to lose those states anyhow. When it goes to court you know and I know the Supreme Court will grab it and say it doesn’t count for whatever bullshit reason they come up with.
The wording of the 14th amendment is clear. SCOTUS will not save him if he catches a conviction; which he is under about 100+ counts of across Congress, Federal and State courts. I place the likelihood of all of those charges failing at near zero
Yeah, you served your purpose and you failed… enjoy prison.
Thoughts and prayers
Where is the court room video of his crying and begging?
He’s going to eat shit for a long time.
No he won’t
I’d pay good money to see his face the moment he realizes that Trump isn’t going to help him
but he believes it with all his heart… all teaspoon and a half of it…
A lot of prisons have video phones now.
You could probally actually call him if you want to pay $10/min or whatever it is.
As tempting as that sounds, Talking to insurrectionists for fun is probably a good way to get put on a list.
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Sorry, that isn’t a pay to win feature. You’ll have to wait the 16 years 11 months and 25 days for him to realize it.
Where’s the remind me bot when you need it…
