The title is shit and confusing, so let me explain.

I’m a white latin american who lives in a latin american country, so in my environment there is very few asian people, in fact, in my region there is so few asians that if there is one in a friend group, they will automatically be “El chino” or “La china”.

Anyway, I understand there is a phenomenon that when ur not used to hang out with people from other races, you might see people from other specific race as “they look the same”. This is part of the reason why so many people in this part of the world thinks that “asians look the same” when that is absolutely not true. It might also happen that some asians also think all white people look the same. And yeah, in a limited genetic pool, many people will look similar.

Anyway, I like asian media and I consume Jpop, Kpop, and I’m starting to try and get into watching more dramas. The thing is when I face the “they look similar” barrier so I have a hard time differentiating people.

I can identify well for example the Black Pink girls, GIDLE girls, Mamamoo, half of the BTS members, etc, just to give you an idea, but sometimes I’m stuck playing a game of “Oh, this is X? No, I think that’s actually Y, nah, I’m wrong, really is Z”.

Is kinda stressful sometimes, not being able to differentiate people in dramas or groups and trying to hang on certain identifiable features to do not get me lost.

Is there a way to kinda “train” myself into identifying Asian people and differentiating them better?

I hope this post doesn’t sound racist, is not my intention at all. I’m just looking for some advice. Thanks.

  • wrath-sedan
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    Alright we’re putting you on a strict diet of 8 hours of Kpop exposure therapy no exceptions.

    But seriously like most have said, the main features that differentiate faces can differ all over the world so it will come with time, just do your best and it will get easier.

  • Niello
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    Let me tell you an anecdote. I’m Asian and grew up in an Asian country. When I was studying abroad there’s a time when my American friends were watching a Japanese drama series. I was the one asking them throughout the watch session who’s who because I couldn’t tell the actors’ faces apart.

  • Eggyhead
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    Each culture has a standard of beauty that celebrities try to emulate as closely as possible. As someone who’s lived in an Asian country for over a decade, it’s actually not that hard for me to identify whether someone is Korean, Chinese, or Japanese based on how they dress and present themselves. Where it gets difficult are celebrity groups within those nationalities. I get actors, actresses, and pop stars mixed up all the time because they all try to do their make-up the same way. This isn’t exclusive to Asia though. Westerners do the same thing and can be just as difficult to tell apart. It’s just we’re far more accustomed to it. That lady from Barbie? I have no idea who she is in or out of costume and could probably take a few incorrect shots. I don’t even know if she’s North American or from some country in Europe or Oceania.

    • @TheActualDevil@lemmy.world
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      32 years ago

      I assume that’s primarily from the over-abundance of plastic surgery in Korean celebrities that tends to genericize their features towards an ideal? I remember hearing about surgery being a huge thing years ago and I’m assuming it still is. They’re like, Stepford Wive’s-ing themselves visually and all end up looking generally the same when chasing attractiveness.

  • Skull giver
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    Telling people apart is hard. White people all looks alike. Black people all look alike. Several groups of East-Asian people all look alike. It’s why the racists from yore had to write entire hooks on how to classify the different races of people, because it’s really not that obvious.

    Recognising races is actually quite difficult, that’s why phones and their facial recognition took decades and still gets things wrong. iPhones use fancy 3D scans if your face to identify you because a picture of your face can easily be accidentally confused for someone who grew up in the same town as you.

    Your brain learns to tell people apart based on arbitrary groups, and what makes specific people stand out from their group. If you’ve grown up around white people all your life and you only meet one Asian, that’s quite easy; that’s “the Asian guy”. When you meet a second Asian person, they become “the Asian guy with the round face” and “the Asian guy with the pointy face”. The more people you get to know and interact with, the easier you will learn to tell them apart. Meanwhile, you can tell white people apart by the delicate bone structure in their face and the dimples in their skin because of how similar they are to all the other people you talk to. The tendency for some races to have a small range of eye/hair colors doesn’t make things easy; they’ll have their own characteristics that will be obvious to them, of course.

    Celebrities make telling them apart harder by having designed faces, expressions, and mannerisms, all made to look pretty and convey a certain attitude because that’s how they make money. Lots of people find people that look like Chris Hemsworth hot as hell, so the media attracts and promotes people that look like him, and suddenly you’re dealing with a bunch of copycats all making their stylists out-Chris-Hemsworth each other. Women are also often covered in more makeup than men, making distinguishing small features even harder.

    Put Brad Pitt, Leonardo Di Caprio, and Matt Damon in the same clothes with the same hair style, and it’d be thought to tell which one is which if you’re not an avid fan of one of any of those particular actors. They all have generic, pretty, white faces, because white people just look alike in general. This has actually been a problem for movies in which such actors are cast together, even among white audiences.

    Nazis have had to take out tape measures to measure the sizes of people’s noses to show that they were Jewish, because apparently even the people obsessed with their “superior race” couldn’t tell their compatriots apart from the race they built an entire hate ideology for.

  • @scarabic@lemmy.world
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    Yes you just have to see more Asian people.

    When you’ve only seen one in your life, you can differentiate them from everyone else using some broad attributes. You don’t have to pay very close attention to the nuances of their facial structure.

    It’s only when you know a lot of people who all have those broad attributes that you have to start noticing other things.

    This isn’t racist, it’s just the brain doing what it does best: not work harder than it has to.

    It sounds like you’re already doing the work of looking twice, looking closely, paying more attention. Just keep doing that. And remember you don’t have to feel bad about this.

  • djquadratic
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    162 years ago

    This makes me think of those memes where people struggle with telling white male celebrities apart

    • @TheActualDevil@lemmy.world
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      Fun semi-related story. I used to work in an open kitchen where a lot of the cooking staff would interact with the customers pretty regularly. Quite often me and two other men in the kitchen would get confused with one another. I gave a guy some marinating tips one week. He comes back in a few days later and waves me over to tell me how well it went. Except he didn’t wave me over, it was a coworker he thought was me. I’d have people bring up previous conversations when I’ve never seen them before. After the 3rd time that kind of thing happened, it clicked. The 3 of us who got confused with each other were just very generic young white guys. One of them wore glasses and I sometimes wore them, sometimes wore contacts. Who I got confused with changed on whether I wore glasses or not, but it happened constantly in the years I worked there. And it was always other white people getting us confused. Looking like a generic white guy is 100% a thing.

    • @octoperson@sh.itjust.works
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      I thought Leo DiCaprio and Matt Damon were the same person for most of The Departed.

      When Luke Skywalker has a vision of fighting Darth Vader, he opens the mask and sees … I think it’s his own face - it makes sense storywise that it’d be his own face, but I’ve never dared ask anyone and admit to not knowing.

      I was really proud of myself for recognising that the two characters in Moon were the same actor. I figured it out, not by looking at their faces, but at the way the camera switched between them.

      I’m a white guy, btw.

    • @Nikls94@lemmy.world
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      Knew an Asian guy who was in china with his family. He was looking in some store and when he looked back, everyone looked the same. He couldn’t tell his family apart from strangers.

  • @loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works
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    Tbf, the problem in terms of kpop celebrities isn’t that they’re asians, but how they adhere to pretty strict beauty standards and often use cosmetic surgery for this, so they do, in fact, look pretty similar to one-another. I definitely can’t recognize any K-Pop or J-pop idol’s face, but I’ve never had this problem with any asian I’ve known irl. So maybe don’t think too deeply into it, I don’t think there’s anything wrong or racist about what you describe. Maybe try watching some asian movies with a less “spotless” aesthetic, stuff not necessarily for a young audience or where everyone is supposed to look beautiful, and see if you still have the same problem.

  • @some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
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    Over a decade ago, I dated someone of a different race from me. I remember being anxious that I wouldn’t recognize her in a crowd the first handful of times that we met in crowded places. I’ve become much better at distinguishing people of different races since, but that’s only because I have a lot of racial exposure where I live.

    I don’t know any way of changing this natural occurrence other than repeated exposure. Your brain needs practice. You don’t sound the least bit racist. In fact, you sound the opposite because you’re looking for better mental tooling.

  • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 🏆
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    Man, I am white, live in a predominantly white country, and notice even white people looking the same and confusing them for other people. I’m not so sure it’s such a big deal. Humans look pretty close together and is why we constantly bicker about small differences like skin color and eye size; cuz there ain’t much else that’s different. 🙁

  • fiat_lux
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    102 years ago

    It’s an easier task if you’re looking at normal real people, not popstars deliberately selected for ‘ideal’ beauty archetypes, with professional makeup, filters, and editing.

    This reminds me of the Korean beauty pageant profile photo discussion 10 years ago.

    It’s not necessarily so much a race thing as it is a ‘cultural beauty ideals conformity’ thing. There are a lot of similar looking white celebrities too, the blonde pop princess cloning machine was working overtime in the early 2000’s.

  • What you are referring to is called implicit bias. It’s the automatic differentiation of tribal heritage. It’s honestly a phenomenon that can’t be controlled. You spend enough time with a certain people, then you are going to prefer that people. IMO that’s why we should drop the cultural walls and just amalgamate

  • @RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world
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    62 years ago

    Don’t worry, you’re not racist. If people look similar then they look similar. There is no need to stress out over this very minor issue. Just spend more time with that media and you’ll be able to pick up on differences more easily.

    It can be hard to determine the differences between people of different Asian nations sometimes, just like it can be difficult to tell the difference between a Caucasian American, Caucasian European, and a Caucasian Canadian. Some can be easier to distinguish (such as Filipino and Japanese being usually easier to tell the difference than say Laotian and Vietnamese based purely on looks alone), but races now are not as “pure” as they used to be in the distant past. There is a lot of international travel and interracial families, so some may look like another nationality because they are.

    Its kinda the same with languages. Spanish and Portuguese sound very similar, and infact are based in the same language family. They both use some of the same words and grammar. But with enough understanding of both you can tell the difference.