Someone call the Whaaambulance.
The nazis hosted the olympics, no imperialist war has ever stopped the olympics from letting someone compete. Even in the worst possible interpretation of Russia’s actions in Ukraine, barring them from the Olympics for it would be an entirely new precedent.
Russia is a fascist state. You are a fascist for supporting it.
Lol but western athletes aren’t fascists for not boycotting the event that Russia participating in? Seems like they have more power and influence than an internet poster
Y’all will take the most lukewarm, neutral, fair takes on topics related to this issue and call it “support for Russia” is incredible. |
Nowhere, anywhere in op’s comment did she say that she supports Russia.
It feels weird to be the one to break this to you, but the nazis are widely considered to be fascists too. Some would say they were even a lil bit worse than Russia on the goosestepping front.
Ukraine is a fascist state. You are a fascist for supporting it.
do u support ukraine
The last several Olympics haven’t they competed under a different flag because all the cheating they keep getting caught for? Sure, everyone knows they’re Russian, but it wasn’t the Russian flag or anthem. They competed as the Russian Olympic Committee.
All true. None of it related to human rights abuses or wars, which the IOC has typically not cared much about.
Ukraine having a normal one
Putting a lot of trust in some notion of integrity on noted good organisation, the IOC, here
Good lord, the comments on that article. I guess I shouldn’t expect any better from RT, but man it does really make me sad that so many people are happy living in a fantasy world where Ukrainians are the bad guys in this conflict.
If you think that’s bad you really don’t want to look at what’s goin on in Palestine.
OK and? How many Europeans have died in the said ‘conflict’? Russia has declared war against Europe and will not stop until the last European is dead.
That is going to require them to train their military or something. So I’m guessing it might be easier for them to just wait a couple of thousand years until all of Europe is underwater as it will be faster.
Russia has declared war against Europe and will not stop until the last European is dead.
Wow this is news to me when did this happen
Plans have been discovered that Russia intended to invade other countries including Moldova and the other surrounding eastern European countries once they were done with Ukraine. Putin had no plans to stop his conquest, he wants to rebuild the Soviet Union.
This. Ukraine is the last bastion of freedom and humanity keeping the barbarians from invading Europe. We already saw what the Soviets did to Europe and the Russians are trying to do that again.
Racism
Whataboutism
Good. I hope to see the EU and the country of “Ukraine” removed from the map. The world will know peace further than it does now if Russia were able to do that
A lot of Palestinians died in that conflict. And they are, surprisingly, people too.
I think this is a bad faith reading of the other comment. Perhaps Warrior of Ukraine meant that they’re European, and as such is more emotionally and intellectually invested in the war in Ukraine than in the ongoing conflict of non-Europeans (which you rightly identified as “people too”, of course) in Palestine/Israel.
And I think I absolutely correctly read “Who cares about those people, they’re not Europeans”, and the quotes about the word conflict were just a cherry on top. The correct answer to whatabout is not “we should only care about my issue because I am important and you are less than that”.
I didn’t see that intention. Perhaps u/JackBruh@lemm.ee would come back and clarify his intent. Otherwise, I largely agree with you. Whataboutism makes it as if when you care about one thing, you have to care about every thing, but no one person can fix every thing. It makes cynics of us all
Ukraine is the bad guy as they are fascist dictators who will (hopefully) be a former country in the future
Pretty sure invading another country for their natural resources doesn’t make you the good guys, no matter what excuse your country invents to justify their actions.
If Ukraine had not been threatening Russia by allowing NATO in, might not be an issue. Ukraine can continue to lose and I will enjoy the sight. Keep defending losing fascists
Seek mental help.
Says the literal Nazi-defended
Finally, some dignity and respect for human rights at the Olympics.
walks past barricade that hides homeless people
Every Olympics (and world cup) presages the mass brutalization of vulnerable people, and I gotta wonder: do people really care that much about shotput?
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RT is propaganda
All news is propaganda.
No.
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Good riddance to Europe’s karens, then.
Gtfo
Now we’re up to $900 per US household for this Ukraine stuff. Let’s throw a few more bucks at it to buy flags. Great use of taxpayer dollars. Sure, Jan.
Most of which are armament that the US government already had in its arsenal. You’ve spent the money and now those missiles are actually in use instead of being hold in storage. I’m actually more interested in that 900 USD amount, where did you read or hear that exact number?
- Missiles being used to kill people in an endless stalemate is actually worse than them sitting in a box
- The people sending those missiles to Ukraine are going to buy more to replace them
- They’re also going to charge Ukraine for the missiles and insist the country sell off state assets for pennies on the dollar to make payments
Maybe it’s high time to overhaul that thinking and stop having a ridiculous military budget.
Holy shit, it’s so high because it gets used constantly.
You’re literally here supporting the use of it
Liberal thinkers are epic
Who said I preferred it killing people half way across the world instead of rotting in storage
And now we have to replenish those arsenals… they absolutely will be replenished.
Like, if you give all the food in your cupboard to someone, no one would consider that “free”. You have to buy more food!
This argument seems so foolish I can hardly believe anyone actually thinks this way.
I’d rather the companies in my country stop selling those armaments to the US, actually. Maybe this is a good time to review your military budget and ask your government why you have it in the first place?
The same imperial government that lied to its people and provoked a land war in Europe?
The same one you’re legitimizing in fueling that conflict by implying it’s free?
Yeah let me call up my boy Biden and tell him no more bombs while you point and laugh at me from behind
I don’t know how this brain genius talking point got so popular.
So things don’t cost money when you already spent money on them? …You don’t think those stocks are going to be replenished having been depleted?
Because it has a point, albeit not perfect. Wouldn’t you rather the US not have a ridiculously big military budget and can divert spending to, say, education and healthcare?
Sure, it’s great that the US arsenal can obliterate any country in the world should the political powers will it, but this is not the best version of the world, honestly. As you said, it’s your money. Are you okay with it?
Sure, it’s great that the US arsenal can obliterate any country in the world should the political powers will it
Wouldn’t you rather the US not have a ridiculously big military budget and can divert spending to, say, education and healthcare?
Yes? But this seems like a non sequitur.
You see, we will reduce our military budget by using more weapons. This makes sense in the liberal mind
Wonder why they never apply that logic to housing…
Then it suddenly costs money!
This Ukraine stuff is a war where 100.000 war crimes were reported, tens of thousands of civilians were killed raped and tortured, where hundreds of thousands of people lost their house.
I wouldn’t say it’s $900 per household because
- It’s from the defense federal budget, that you would’ve spent anyways
- The aid packages, expressed in dollars, are the sum of the value of the equipment sent to Ukraine, in vast majority which US already had
- The defence budget is there to be able to stand against the strongest adversaries: China and Russia. USA basically annihilated one of their enemies’ army without a single drop of blood.
You must be joking, 100K war crimes??? 10K rapes??? This isn’t Rwanda.
You haven’t heard of hyperbole, clearly. But it’s not far from the truth. Russia commits war crimes every day. It’s all their military is good for. They can’t fight a real force, so they blow up and murder civilians instead. To claim otherwise is misinformed at best, actively dishonest at worst.
Ok, Jen! 😂 I guess those leopards and bradleys blew up by themselves…
Oh, Jen 🤣 those kindergartens blew up by themselves
You mean the one that Ukrainian Mi-17 fell on to? Or the one hit by an AD Ukrainian missile? 🤷🏼
The government of Ukraine reports 103.325 war crimes, 9444 killed civilians, 16940 injured civilians. (war.ukraine.ua). You may legitimately considered these numbers inflated by the Ukrainian government, for this reason I can redirect you to the Wikipedia page https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine containing plentiful of references and sources.
Are you genuinely going to believe numbers given by literal Nazis?
Why do you think the Ukrainians are Nazi? You’re clearly failing to understand that having a Nazi problem (like any country) does not imply the government is Nazi. You have seen images of men with their tattooed arms right? How does it mean that the government is Nazi? It’s Kremlin’s propaganda to discredit Ukrainians. Go see the polls and see how many far-right parties got (2%).
I linked a Wikipedia page, so there’s no need to “believe” as the war crimes are documented.
Now look at who’s committing genocide, deportations and tortures.
And that Wikipedia article has absolutely shit sources so it should only be laughed at
They let Nazis in the government through the Azov are in the military and allow Nazis in the military. That is the government.
This conflict has the potential to cause real change in Russia. We’re talking about potentially getting rid of Putin’s regime and it’s being done without sending any of our troops to die. The help Ukraine is getting isn’t charity, look at the bigger picture.
without sending any of our troops to die
what about all the people from other countriesNever mind all the US vets that died over there lmfao
If foreigners are people then why can’t they vote in our elections?
Checkmate tankie.
This person just outing themself as craving the sending of Ukrainians into the fucking meatgrinder. The sheer disregard for human life is disgusting
You do realize that America already overthrew Russia’s government once, and that is how Putin came to be in the first place, right? You expect cycle #2 to go better?
We’re talking about potentially getting rid of Putin’s regime and it’s being done without sending any of our troops to die.
The people surrounding Putin who are most likely to replace him are hardliners who think Kiev should be glassed. Part of the motivation behind the Wagner mutiny is Prigo thinking Shoigu isn’t going hard enough in Ukraine. Contrary to liberal bots who only listen to what CNN tells them, it’s good for everyone involved that the Wagner mutiny was completely deflated. There wouldn’t be much of a Ukraine left if Prigo was in charge, and Prigo is not the only one.
If Putin is overthrown the people most likely to overthrow him are hardliners who think he’s being a cuck by not immediately nuking Kiev and Washington.
So it’s a good thing that there’s basically zero indication of major internal political stability in Russia. Even the Wagner “coup” only asked for Shoigu and Gerasimov to be removed, not Putin.
This conflict has the potential to cause real change in Russia
time is a flat circle
This is the most important proxy war of our lifetime!
We are killing the Russians to help the Russians
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GOOD postThough I personally don’t know who of the two evils would be the worse win in the long run, yes, agreed, very much this.
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Absolutely fair point, you may well be right. I pretty much agree on all points.
good thoughtful post
Once again a westoid proves Ukrainian lives don’t matter to them.
Putin has more support than ever…
For gods sake try to imagine this from a Russian perspective. NATO bombs are killing their people.
Like, seriously, imagine how your average American would react to this. Treat the Russians as human for one fucking second.
They are not going to fucking blame Putin for that. They will blame NATO!!!
The help Ukraine is getting will go to nill when these fascists finally lose
Lmao. I’m sure they’ll overthrow the government, just like the Americans did to their own government after invading Vietnam and Iraq. Have you seen what the Russian government is doing to mild protestors? Black bagged, sent off to who knows where, doing who knows what. It’s Kent State by like 500x. This isn’t 1980s USSR. The people there support Putin. And those who don’t and protest are still denounced by the west for not doing enough, as if westerners have ever succeeded in holding their governments accountable.
The most realistic outcome is that Putin resigns in disgrace and 20 years later they make shoot and cry movies about Russian soldiers in Ukraine. And then they’ll rehabilitate Putin as a strong leader anyway.
Forget neutral flags, they should be banned. Heck, Russia should be banned for doping, regardless of the war.
I have to wonder if Russia has ever really won a medal without cheating?
They’ve been caught cheating at the paralympics also. What’s next, the special olympics?
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You really enjoy being an asshole online, don’tcha? How cute.
This would only be acceptable if Ukraine were also banned
I thought Russia was still banned for doping.
Keep Ukraine out then
Here’s the neutral flag:
Go Ukraine, but it’s official, this worldnews community has become ragebait, like the original one :/
It’s particularly upsetting because lemmy.ml is a major instance. IMO, moderation in this c/ is infrequent and underwhelming. I don’t mean to hang the mods out to dry; it would take a big team to wade through this effluent and tame the trolls. The hostile “Here comes the Reddit refugees” and “OMG Tankie brigade” shit is just the easy stuff. A rule on lazy whataboutism would help the signal/noise ratio as well. This post is from RT, about Ukraine/Russia/Belarus but the biggest thread in here is rehashing the Iraq occupation. Can we just discuss the original topic? Is that so hard?
This post is from RT, about Ukraine/Russia/Belarus but the biggest thread in here is rehashing the Iraq occupation.
the ‘punishment’ of russia is night and day to what we saw happen to the US and its western allies after the invasion of iraq. you can go and cry about ‘whataboutism’ as much as you’d like, but those of us who live in a world not shrouded by a willful amnesia of a past historical events can see the gross display of hypocrisy for what it is—namely a confirmation by the western world that some victims (of war) are worth more than others
This post is from RT, about Ukraine/Russia/Belarus but the biggest thread in here is rehashing the Iraq occupation. Can we just discuss the original topic? Is that so hard?
This is why so many instances defederate from hexbear, they do this in every comment section. Just turn it into whataboutism against the US, and add nothing to the topic that’s actually being discussed by the article. They’re basically lemmygrad but brigade comment sections more often.
Instances defederate from hexbear because of emoji spam more than anything else.
Defederation because of political views is, frankly, dangerous for democracy.
Re: “dangerous for democracy”. That’s a little hyperbolic, don’t ya think?
I don’t support defederation. I think the calls for defederation strictly arise from political clashes that boil out of control and people that don’t remember the Internet-that-was, before Reddit. “Free speech absolutist” wasn’t a thing because no one pictured their little forum as mattering that much. Forum moderation wasn’t about enforcing a specific world view or preserving an echo chamber, it was about preserving civil discourse. And since I’m typing this out I might as well add that I think if I was to dust off an early 90’s or 2000’s mod hat, I’d do the following:
- Referring to other commenters as reddit refugee/hexbear/liberal/grad/imperialist/shill/anti-westerner 's is a 3 day ban
- Bringing up the Iraq War, Tienanmen Sq, etc is a 3 day ban. Not some conspiracy to bury the truth. It’s because everyone’s friggin’ heard it already and we definitely don’t need more of it.
- Lazy whataboutism is a 1 day ban. This is vaguely defined for a purposeful chilling effect.
- War Is Bad. When not the topic of the article, fantasizing about a US-Ruso conflict/popular uprising/Taiwan invasion/WW3 is a 1 day ban.
What do people want this place to be? A place where all sides can meet (if they strictly behave)? An echo chamber? A raging angry gladiator pit? Like I said above, as a major Lemmy instance, this place should be downright boring and the extremists can retreat to other instances better suited to their anger.
This isn’t about their political views in particular, this is about them brigading comment sections and derailing from the original topic and shouting down anybody who disagrees.
Defederation because of political views is, frankly, dangerous for democracy.
What? This is such a ridiculous claim I’m not even sure where to start. Federation does not equal democracy, and defederation from a shitty spammy instance has zero impact on democracy.
Democracy is built on discourse of opposing views. If we just censor all opposing views, then what the fuck is even the point?
There’s about as much discourse here as rival football hooligans having it out in the streets. A lot of violence but it doesn’t really change the score. What’s the point of talking when no one’s listening?
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Yet, people with these political views do exist in our society. We need to find a way to integrate them into society, not isolate them.
Defederation is not censorship. All it means is that nobody on that instance wants to hear your bullshit, and are showing you the door. You’re able to make an account on another federated instance if you wanted to hear those vitriolic, harmful people.
And also don’t forget the mass spam of oversized emojis and pictures of pigs shitting.
Yeah, hexbear is trashy authority propaganda.
Brigading is their entire purpose for existence on this site, they actively plot to harass and invade other instances to deny people a platform and talk about where to spread their “forces” next. They were taking bets on where they’ll be defederated next. They were never on this platform to participate in good faith.
“My post is about black crime, stop mentioning other things like white crime. Yes, I only post about black crime, are you trying to say black people never commit crime? That they should be allowed to commit crime? Thought so.”
Sometimes bringing up context is important for discussing issues that some people would like to keep in a vacuum. The US competing at those same Olympic games under no penalty would be fucked up and makes it obvious that if Belarus was penalized here, it would be due to western politicking and nothing else (Russia already has the doping issue, so idk about that one)
No, you’re not helping. At all. It’s flamebait that can only derail the topic and turn into a circle jerk or verbal fistfight.
Here’s an example that may help: Why is China allowed to participate in the Olympics despite their genocides and brutal crackdowns? Why the double standard?
See? You’re demonstrating my point, it’s not just indifferent, it has a motive.
Though I don’t think you’re helping since Russia did invade while China is doing zero genocides.
I’m sure china is rounding up its citizens and putting them into reeducation camps based on their ethnicity and religious beliefs for reasons other than ethnic cleansing.
Being left wing doesn’t mean you absolutely must support china, especially since a lot of chinese policies are decidedly right wing and almost overwhelmingly authoritarian.
Like nost other “communist” parties in power before them, the CCP is populated mostly by self interested bourgeois that coopted the revolution and pursued a path of oppression against its own people.
Authoritarians gonna authoritate, who’d have guessed.
If you can’t even get the party’s name correct then you have no room to talk on them
Saved. Thanks for the comprehensive resource. Now, if only everyone was eager to read before slandering other countries online… Not that China is a perfect utopia, but simply gobbling whatever information comes to the public by media that have an interest in defending “the West” is the quickest path to have your consent manufactured.
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Can we just discuss the original topic? Is that so hard?
When your entire schtick is anti-westernism then yeah it is that hard. I really don’t mind the comrades at lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml, they generate some thought provoking content at times. However their blind, predictable, and endlessly repeated talking points are tiresome in the same way that an invasion of Fox News viewers would be.
Another centerist attempting to equivicate the left who wants civil rights for all to the right who want to melt anyone the left advocates civil rights for. Yes, your rainbow capitalism will certainly save this planet.
What makes you angry about this?
It’s not this, it’s this whole subreddit. Might as well call it world_politics_gore_debate_bait.
Edit: to the stink bugs trying to dunk on me for doing exactly what I wanted to do when referring to this place looking like the worldnews subreddit, look up “metaphor” in a dictionary and stfu
subreddit
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Edit: You ever see somebody say something dumb and then they unabashedly double down? Yeah.
Exactly, this subreddit.
Look up “metaphor” in a dictionary and stop doubling down on your mistaken shallow interpretation of what you just read.
Trying to say calling a Lemmy community a subreddit is a metaphor lmao
Also, you came back to the comments without getting a notification to reply to the edit? Dude, go outside lol
Here, I’ll do it for you:
https://www.grammarly.com/blog/metaphor/
Work today was a nightmare!
You: no, nightmares are not real life, you’re wrong.
You are my shining star.
You: There are no stars on Earth, you’re a moron and I’m dumping you.
Look at this pigsty!
You: This subreddit is not a pigsty, you are an illiterate moron
That athlete is a machine.
You: go learn what a machine is, you’d never make it as an engineer, because I’m in your head and know you didn’t intentionally mean to use a metaphor, because I’m full of myself and you’re a dumb anon.
The difference between you and me in this respect is that I have no shame in apologizing when wrong, while you not so much. Why am I losing time with this? Because people like me have an interest in having people like you be a little less self-righteous.
The rare quadruple down on the dumb. Calling a lemmy community a subreddit is not a metaphor, it’s objectively wrong. No matter how many non-applicable examples you provide. How are you this dense? (That’s rhetorical btw)
Because people like me have an interest in having people like you be a little less self-righteous.
lmfao the projection of writing this at the end of the most self righteous comment I’ve read on lemmy yet is delicious.
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