The disapproval of Elon Musk is the top reason Tesla Model 3 owners are selling their electric vehicles and going for another brand, according to a new survey of 5,000 Model 3 owners.
I’m sure the anti-woke crowd he is pandering to is going to jump in and buy up all the teslas
Wtf?? Yes, he’s a dick and annoying, but who sells their fucking car because they don’t like the companies CEO???
Tesla is not just selling cars; it’s also selling a lifestyle brand about green energy and pro-environment technology. That brand is being damaged by Elon, which its owners accurately perceive and don’t like. So… here we are.
I dunno. Seems smarter and more lucrative than buying shit from companies you don’t like and burning it like a sociopathic child.
Virtue signalers. Weirdly that’s what people who bought it because of him were called so I honestly have no idea who to believe.
Buy them, don’t buy them. No idea why this has to be such a big thing. He’s a bellend. So was jobs. So was Edison. So we’re most people you’ve heard of. That doesn’t mean the product isn’t good.
At this point if you buy anything you’re ostensibly supporting some dick. You just have to pick your battles and at the moment I couldn’t give a crap what he says on twitter as I don’t use it and can’t wait for it and Facebook to be killed off. Doesn’t mean they make crap products no one about buy.
Honestly, tribalism is the worst thing on Reddit and lemmy seems to be more and more infected each day
I (and I would imagine most other people) can’t even name the CEO for any car company outside of Tesla and maybe a few small niche brands.
Yeah, It’s almost like none of the other CEOs show their asses in public like Elmo Musk does.
And if they all did, we wouldn’t be able to buy anything.
Because he won’t shut up and makes it well known he’s the CEO of Tesla, so yeah I would be embarrassed to drive one of their cars because I’m not a fucking idiot like Elmo Musk.
I think he’s an absolute donkey, but I see Tesla separately from him. The company itself and their cars are pretty solid.
Based on what I’ve heard about the build quality I don’t agree the cars are solid
Agree. They have the best batteries and were ground breaking on the things they provided…but darn, those cars are louder inside than my Toyota Camry.
And yes, to an extent we haven’t invested in a Tesla because of Musk. My wife can’t stand him. We’ve postponed buying an electric and we’re looking to see how PoleStar develops. At least for our entry point.
Volvo’s had really great build quality for decades now. Polestar might be my first EV too, especially if they bring back a sporty hatchback like the C30
Exactly.
Completely aside but I find this interesting:
Consumer Reports‘ annual reliability rankings have been released, and with data from 24 brands and over 300,000 vehicles, Tesla fell near the bottom (19/24) along with Mercedes-Benz, Jeep, Volkswagen, GMC, and Chevrolet. Electric vehicles overall also placed poorly, being the second least reliable category of vehicles. Hybrids/plugin hybrids, especially those from Toyota, were found to be the most reliable.
I’m surprised hybrids have better reliability given their overall increase in complexity compared to either electric or ICE cars. Though frankly I’m not surprised Toyota does them well…
That is a bit surprising for the reasons you say. EVs having less reliability overall kinda makes sense given the market is still going through growing pains. I’m betting it will improve quickly given that most manufacturers are still ramping up production.
I’ve been reading that the QC on Tesla vehicles is actually fairly poor though. Panels not aligned and such. There’s also the false range readings.
Nah, that’s all internet myths these days. The first 6 motnsh, maybe 8 from the Fremonth factory has panel issues. That’s not a thing from the Chinese or EU fa Tory and mostly gone in the Fremont ones.
Range is the same issue as your petrol one. No one gets that range as it’s under “ideal” conditions. If you want to be mad, be mad at your EPA and how they test and rate all cars.
All I have are internet myths and one semi-close friend with a Model 3 to go on. Theirs has some paneling alignment issues but they don’t seem to care.
I have only that example and what I’ve read to go on. The range issue is understandable, I’d thought it was simply more accurate since it’s an EV and not BS range we get with combustible fuel.
How i see it, the physical build quality is pretty poor, but the UX is a bit better, as a lot of car companies are pretty terrible at car software.
I haven’t been in a car where I feel 100% satisfied with the UX. I guess it takes a different hat.
I definately agree, no car is close to 100%, but at least with tesla, they put more effort into it than some long time names, even if i dont neccesarily agree with some of their choices (e.g digital ac control)
Something as basic as getting maps to function correctly and consistently for some vehicles is a Challenge.
I mean granted yeah, it’s not perfect. But for me and what I need it to be done aka be fully electric and have a good amount of range along with a charging network, they have it all.
When other manufacturers adopt NACS and they open their charging stations there will be a lot more options and that are worth it. But for now I’m happy with the car.
I wouldn’t desire or try to change your opinion on the vehicle. I’ve had wavering interest in them myself but never enough confidence in the companies longevity to make the investment.
Tesla is a horrible car.
Teslas aren’t buy-it-and-forget-about-it. They are continually making updates to the software, and building new charging stations. My Toyota hasn’t changed since it left the factory (aside from normal maintenance), and Toyota doesn’t have significant influence on how I can get gas.
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I worked there for 3 years… don’t. Fucking. Do. It.
That’s a smart call. Working conditions at his companies are wild. You’ll be required to work 80 hours a week every week or be fired. But at the same time you’ll be working in a pretty building with young people and a great cafeteria where you sometimes go to nice parties.
Also the pay is pretty low. It worked out for those who have been there a while and got RSUs.
My partner needed to buy a new vehicle. A Tesla Model was easily in budget. But they opted not to buy one because they want zero affiliation with Musk or any connotations that they may endorse his behavior by owning one of his products.
FWIW, they’re also terribly made cars that keep poorly.
Anecdotally I have to disagree.
I really enjoy our Model 3 and Model Y. After renting an ID.4 for a week in Norway I find that the Tesla setup is a lot more “no nonsense” than other OEMs.
For example the ID.4 has many “safety” features that help center the car in the land if it detects that you are leaving the road. In Norway that have very narrow roads and you often have to pull over to the shoulder (far past the lane edge) to let a car pass.
To turn those settings off in an ID.4 I had to dig through a menu and disable them every time I get into the car. Every. Time.
Tesla’s UI experience is much more like a smart phone with persistence like one would expect. Like or hate the form factor, the infotainment on Tesla’s are done about as well as you can with a giant touch screen in my opinion.
I really fucking loath Musk these days though and wish he would be ousted from Tesla.
Not really fair to compare the ID.4 against your Teslas. The Audi Etron on the other hand has a far superior infotainment system compared to the Tesla and none of the issues from the base model VW.
I’m not accusing of intentionally comparing apples to oranges, but given the price brackets you made a really terrible argument.
The price brackets seem the same to me. Our Model 3’s config is actually cheaper than it’s similar ID.4 spec, where as an etron is like $30k MORE.
Oh no doubt that was also a big factor, but even if they were well built high quality cars, it would still be a non-starter as long as Elno has anything to do with the company.
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I hear a range of issues with Teslas that mostly come down to shoddy manufacture.
Either way all cars are bad, EV or no, and only collective transport solves any of our problems. Short term, buying a used gas vehicle is still less harmful to the environment.
Same experiences here since 2018.
Musk is a fuckwad but he’s not hand building the cars, these comments reek of children and ignorance.
So they approve of zucc, whoever tf runs google, jeff bezos and other pieces of shit, but elon is the breaking point for them? That’s a stupid reason if you ask me.
Funny but when I see a Tesla, I now judge the owner. Never used to care one way or another but.
My electric vehicle is a bicycle. It’s great btw.
I’ll eventually get an electric car after my Subaru and Honda die but it’ll probably be a Volvo, that EX30 looks pretty nice.
Like, fuck Musk all the way to Mars and back (actually, not back), but this is as pointless as when bigots burn sneakers or razors or beer because of a “woke” ad, except replacing a car uses so many more resources than replacing some shoes. And that’s if anyone will even buy it off them, if not, then it’s a whole car in the dump.
Surely making use of the car you spent tens and tens of thousands to buy, and putting an “I hate musk” sticker over the Tesla emblem is a better way to go about this?
Or is there some subscription shit where owning a Tesla means you continuously pay for features or whatever? Though if that’s the case I go back to my earlier point - selling it to someone else won’t actually end that.
no step against tyranny is pointless. ever. people who say this are stupid, lazy, evil, and usually a combination of all three.
It’s not the same as the idiots who burn sneakers or whatever, because they bought new stuff only to then burn it. This is selling something you already owned. Yes, it’s better for the environment to just keep whatever car you have until it no longer works, but it’s not as bad as buying something new just to burn it. It’s also not as bad as burning something you already own, since someone else gets to use the car.
Oh my, hit a nerve did I?
I genuinely don’t believe most of the people burning shit in protest were buying new.
And even if they were, shoes cost tens, maybe hundreds at most, this is tens of thousands of dollars lol (which, being a car, they’ll never get anything near that back)
It also doesn’t change the fact that getting rid of something that expensive because you’ve only just realised the guy who owns the company is an asshole (he has been an out and proud asshole before the cars were made, they were just either not paying attention or actively licking boot), is 100% an act of vanity performed by a highly privileged shattered ego.
So maybe even worse than buying sneakers to burn them… 🤔🤔🤔
You know, I’m going to say it and maybe no one likes it, but. Just the feel I get is that we’re so hopeless in having our politicians actually do shit. Like, we realize, they’re not going to do a damn thing to address jack shit. And the world has been turned so rampant consumerism, that the only way it feels like we have left is to do this non-sense of burning sneakers, shooting beer, and selling cars.
Like we’re so past the point that actual advocacy is so ineffective and politicians are so past the point of actually serving the public, it’s either we rampant play the game they’ve set before us with mucho-consumerism or we do the teetotal opposite of “we’re killing the Applebees” anti-consumerism.
Now there’s tons of in the middle, but say there’s some perceived social ill, well to solve it you cannot just send a letter to your Congressional Representative or Senator. That’s just going straight to the recycle bin. And you cannot just march on whatever to try and make a point, news cycle isn’t going to focus on it unless it drives traffic to their site to sell ads. So how does one solve this “ill”, fuck it, let’s go consumerism in one or the other direction TO THE EXTREME!! Because, that money, that’s what they’re listening to. So you and your groupies fucking with it or amping its sales through the roof, oh well that they will listen to suddenly. We’ve got this notion that the things we own OR don’t own define our position of morals and ethics. It’s kinda fucked up when you think about it, it’s like 11:00am here and while typing this I’m starting to reach for my whiskey flask.
I feel like this is how the Boston Tea party got started. The British wouldn’t listen to shit, so fuck it, let’s go fuck their tea up! You know, I don’t know, all of this is just a feeling. But it feels like people we voted in to listen to us won’t listen to us and thus we’ve got to go fuck with people’s wallets so that they will listen to us. Do I think it’s a good idea? Nah, this is silly shit. We should be able to address social woes in better terms. But that said, it doesn’t feel like we’ve got a lot of tools to actually address shit. Everyone (that’s hyperbole, I just mean to say a good amount of folks) has gone greedy as shit. There is fewer and fewer folks who are looking at “what will this do to the future” and just getting into that “dog eat dog” mentality.
Trying to keep from going off in a long crazy ass tangent, long story short, I think the 1% have amassed so much fucking everything and the rest of us are fighting so hard for table scraps, it’s difficult to not be slashing at people’s throats. Because if you ain’t taking from your brother or your sister, you’ve got rich fuckers taking from you both. Like I said, it’s just feels, but damn it feels like when it comes to solving some sort of problem in society we’re a small hungry rodent being backed into a corner by some fifty foot cat. We’re at a breaking point, we’re either going to do something crazy or be a feline’s lunch. Is that the proper way to solve anything, odds are likely “no”, but damn I can’t blame a person for being crazy. We’re in some crazy ass times.
So yeah, I agree with you, but I mean I can’t really look around this place and blame a person for being batshit crazy. It’s kinda the environment that’s promoted now a days. Now me and my whiskey flask are going to go have a heart to heart. Shit.
Yeah, I get the point that Elon isn’t Tesla, etc. At the same time, at least for some owners, owning a Tesla isn’t just about just owning an EV, it’s about virtue signalling. And having the Tesla brand linked to Elon means that it’s harder to do this.
it’s about virtue signalling.
“I have money and want to spend it on the world’s most recalled car, let alone EV. I’m doing my part!”
From one point of view, yes.
At the same time, rightly or wrongly, some people buy Teslas cos they’re the EV, and they get to show what great environmentalists they are (and that they have money haha).
That card got burned out years ago. Anyone who thinks a Tesla makes them look good, needs to join the guys still holding on to their Ed Hardy collection.
Driving a Tesla is just an expensive MAGA hat.
That’s not really fair, it’s a big investment, and new cars are wasteful. Also, Musk wasn’t like this so openly before he started meeting with Trump in the white house.
Not that long ago he was a dickhead hype man for electric cars and reusable rockets. As billionaires go, that’s close to as good as it gets
A new one, post Twitter takeover? Fair.
Id anyone thinks Elon isnt an unfunny loser go watch his SNL episode again and be reminded.
Since the seeing ordeal someone went through here in Canada and his Telsa, I wouldn’t own one if given to me.
Water condensation dripping from the AC compressor on top of the batteries is just bad design and lack of foresight.
Transport Canada said that was awful and the reason for his faulty battery/batteries and Teslsa still said, nah you on your own.
Forget that noise.
Leased a tesla MS in 2017 because I knew 250mile battery was not going to be the max in 2020 and guessed 350mile was possible (i was right). Right around then Elon came out as a conspiracy twat, so I was more than happy to turn my car in when he went full right wing twat.
3 years on, I’m the proud owner of an ebike with a few thousand miles on it, created by a company not owned by a twat. My insurance is $50 a month and my uber rides fall far below anything I spent monthly on my insurance and lease payment ($1300 or so). Helps to work from home and live 5 miles from most places I need to go to or from the public transit.
Honestly, had he kept his insane ideas to himself I might still own that car or it’s newer version. I do miss it, but I just can’t support people like that. Also, 3 years on I don’t miss the car payments…
