Former President Donald Trump was indicted for an unprecedented third time on August 1, adding another set of serious federal charges to the mounting legal issues he faces.
You would benefit from a remedial course in US civics.
Please educate yourself, you wouldn’t want to be convicted by a mob.
Care to elaborate on how a grand jury indictment is like a mob?
Care to elaborate on how a grand jury indictment is like a mob?
The post I responded to says "why the hell so you need a judge to rule he is a criminal’. It is not the grand jury indictment (that is a different conversation to be had) it is that comment
Not exactly due process.
Does that explain my concern?
Trump will be barred from running, handing the election to another Republican, who will pardon Trump on day one. There, spoiled the next year and a half of American politics for you.
None of these charges carry with them the barring of running for office. Sedition isn’t in the indictment.
None of this bars him from running.
I’m not sure which other Republican candidates could really step up. Aside from Trump there’s DeSantis, who seems to be imploding and I think hates Trump anyway, Chris Christie (who called him a ‘One Man Crime Wave’ lol) and most of the others I haven’t even heard of before.
But there is also Mike Pence who is truly a wild card - there’s a reasonable chance Trump literally tried to have him killed and yet he still defends him for some reason - so if anyone is bonkers enough to make it to the White House and then set Trump loose, it’d probably be him.
I find Christie refreshingly straight forward compared to most GOP turd buckets.
I just want Christie to take second place because he and Trump hate each other. Trump almost got Christie killed by inviting him to the White House even though Trump knew he had COVID and Christie ended up almost dying in the hospital because of it. And, of course, Trump hates Christie because all feelings are reciprocal when you’re Trump.
They would destroy each other and I would make popcorn.
He can’t be barred from running. In fact even if convicted he could still be President because he’s been charged with obstruction not sedition. Not a lawyer etc, but I think it’s pretty clear.
The Republican Party could refuse to let him be the nominee but they know what would just cause him to run independent and split the right-wing vote so they’ll support him because they want power more than anything else.
You’re right.
And that sucks, because now the invisible line has been crossed not one of the parties will create laws against it happening again.
'Murica - land of the fraud, home of the deceived
He can’t be pardoned of state crimes.
The only state crimes are the original indictments for perjury, which if you read the article, you will see those are the least compelling charges. The last two sets of indictments are from the DoJ and are considered very sound.
Georgia is about to enter the chat.
No. The crimes of fake electors go to specific states. There’s federal and state crimes here.
The next republican president or governor in states where he is convicted at state level will just pardon everything.
The constitution, rule of law, and will of the people means nothing to people who just want power.
This is a federal case
No it’s a clear case for increasing our education budget 😉
Heckin yeah
What a dingdong he is. I hope he spends the rest of his life in jail.
Nobody knows more about prison than me. I’m the best inmate they ever had. They love me here. I have the best cell, the best food, the best friends. I’m very popular. The guards respect me. They know I’m innocent. The fake news media and the crooked Democrats put me here. They’re very jealous of me. They’re losers. They’re afraid of me. They know I won the election by a lot. I’m still your president. I’ll be out soon. You’ll see. It’s going to be huge.
And followed by Don Jr and co asking people to contribute to the “take back America” fund, and if you donate over $1,000 you will get 100,000 Trump bucks
Don’t forget the limited edition trading cards.
Can’t wait for the new set portraying the rest of his life.
And the exchange rate of tump bucks to stanley nickels is approximately the same as the ratio of unicorns to leprechauns.
I’ll stick to unicorns.
This is funny right here, I don’t care who you are.
And God bless the pygmies…
Needs more run on sentences and spelling mistakes.
I know, also some covfefe and hamberders, for good measure. But AI can only do so much.
I know this is a common sentiment amongst a lot of people, but the reality is he will never see prison time before he dies of old age. He will do everything in his power to draw it out and when he can’t he will flee the country
Big Papa Putin may not be in a position to offer him safe harbor for very much longer.
dies of old age
That could be tomorrow.
His Secret Service detail won’t allow that to happen.
Flee the country, my left asshole. Wtf are you on about? He’s charged under the espionage act.
I wonder though, everyone keep saying no prison because of the SS, ex-president and all, but what mecanism would actually prevent the court from going there? Like, if the judge goes for prison or death penalty, what is gonna happen exactly? What branch of the government, and who exactly would block it, assuming the judge gives no fucks?
It’s not possible for him to receive the death penalty for these charges, the max is 20 years per count. On top of that, the fed doesn’t have the death penalty anymore, as far as I understand.
That being said, it is very possible he will go to prison in some fashion. Of course he will never be with the gen pop, but just because he has an SS detail doesn’t mean he can’t go to prison. Also, it could be possible to strip him of the detail, but I’m pretty sure that will be figured out if the time comes.
Isn’t that possible if he’s judged responsible of the deaths on Jan6?
*They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death. *
While that may be the explicit language for the charge, the feds don’t really tend to execute people in the modern post-Gregg era, with a notable exception: Donald Trump restarted executions from the feds when he took office. So, slight correction to my OP. I guess it would be possible, but I highly doubt the US Government would do something as drastic as executing a previous president.
On a personal level here, I am 100% against the death penalty. Even for fucks like this. What’s worse, death, or living your final years in a concrete box and dying there instead? I’d much rather people like him get lost in their own thoughts.
Well one can hope I suppose, hope is still free, lol.
It was “common knowledge” that he wouldn’t ever be charged too. The Senate and Mike Pence were pissed at him because he made them look weak. That’s why no one is really defending him right now. He has so many charges that people are going to abandon him just so they don’t have to answer questions about the cases.
Remember the OJ trial? This is the former president in three courtrooms (and counting!). It’s going to make him look so guilty.
I don’t think anyone ever cared about him in the GOP, they used him as a tool, a pawn to get the presidency; he got it but still fucked it, and now they have not use for him anymore. DeSantis may be the next one. That’s my highly intellectual political analysis. Emphasis on “high”.
Problem is, he’s losing a lot of that power now. He doesn’t have many friends in high places these days, even the supreme court has done things to rule against him. I don’t doubt he’ll try to draw it out, but ultimately it’s not up to him anymore.
Bet nothing is going to come of it, just like last time.
We’ll see. Now he has to go to actual trial, and it’s in DC.
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What do you mean “just like last time?” That hasn’t even gone to trial yet.
The last time he was indicted? This is the 3rd time.
Correct. “The last time he was indicted” hasn’t come to a resolution yet, nor will it until at least next year. Saying nothing came of it is a dumbass take, to put it gently.
How long has it been? Honestly, if anything were to happen, it would’ve happened already.
You’re just objectively wrong…
Wrong, please learn how long court timelines are before continuing discussing these matters you clearly aren’t familiar with
Huh? Have you never seen anything about how the court system works?
So you don’t follow the news at all?
Courts are absurdly slow, and it’s probably creeping into human rights violation levels for low priority cases. People have admitted to pleading guilty to just move on as they served a majority of their potential time in prison waiting for the trial
do you know how the courts work here? Indictment is pne of the very first steps.then comes all the pretrial stuff, where we are at now with trumps charges. And then comes the actual trial.
People have been trained by TV to think justice is swift.
Maybe they mean the impeachment trial, but if so that’s a bad take.
Wasn’t he indicted before ? What happens next ?
…aight so I’m fucking stupid or something and can’t figure out how to link to another user’s comment (it’s just the chain link icon literally on the comment right? …but when I click that it directs to a different comment… is this a bug or am I really just stupid?) but I don’t want to just steal this guy’s work, some I’m linking to his profile instead:
https://lemmy.world/u/jordanlund@lemmy.one
In the comments tab, do a Ctrl+F search for “you are here” and you’ll find a map of exactly what happens next in this and every other trump case.
He was! He now has three indictments under his belt.
- New York State hush money payments
- Classified Documents Case
- January 6 Insurrection
If you ask me, now we throw a few back tonight and wait for the fourth indictment coming from Georgia this month. 😎
Is he ever going to jail or not ?
You ask me? Donny boy is royally fucked. The documents case is a few steps too far, and even a rich former president of the US will have to sit behind bars for that one. Hey SHOULD be in jail already for that one.
Georgia is interesting in that it’s pardon proof
How come?
A president can pardon federal crimes but not state crimes.
Georgia law makes pardons an option only five years after the completion of a sentence. Getting a sentence commuted would require the approval of a state panel.
Oh I see. I assume the govenor can pardon state crimes?
Not in GA
So if he goes to federal prison, do the secret service members who are part of his detail draw straws to see who else gets to spend time being bars?
We’ll make it easy on him and put him in supermax. He’ll have no security concerns whatsoever, secret service can take the rest of his life off.
There a reasonable chance he gets house arrest or there’s some special facility built for him. Alternatively he could be kept in solitary for the entire time, but that’s starting to be considered torture.
Maybe, however…
The sheriff of Fulton County, Ga., said on Tuesday that if former President Donald J. Trump were to be indicted in connection with efforts to overturn the 2020 election in the state, he would not receive special treatment, and would be booked and photographed like any other defendant.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/01/us/trump-indictment-georgia.html
So there’s hope he’d receive similar treatment from other officials.
It’s comforting to see that an ex president would still be equal before the law
I mean, he did ask to be tough on criminals…
He doesn’t need a detail if we put him in a concrete box!
Trump pushed the big lie that the election was stolen. Trump lost in the courts[1](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/25/us/elections/trump-campaign-lawsuits.html) including the Supreme Court.[2](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55283024) Then he tried to pressure state officials.[3](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2021/01/03/trump-pressured-georgia-election-official-call-washington-post-report-says/4119948001/) He tried to pressure Pence.[4](https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/05/trump-pressures-pence-election-results-455069)
So what does Trump do after exhausting all nonviolent methods of overturning the election? He turns to his supporters and lights them up making inflammatory statements such as;
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We are going to fight for the survival of the nation.
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Now is not the time to retreat, its to fight harder.
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We will never give in, never back down, never surrender.
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We will fight like hell.
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You have to get your people to fight.
He primed them for weeks.
State officials had started getting death threats weeks before the attempted insurrection following the general election.[5](https://www.npr.org/sections/biden-transition-updates/2020/12/01/940961602/someones-going-to-get-killed-ga-official-blasts-gop-silence-on-election-threats) Trump saw first hand what violence was being created as his supporters rioted and vandalized black churches in Washington back in December.[6](https://www.thestar.com/news/world/us/2020/12/13/black-churches-vandalized-four-stabbed-dozens-arrested-at-pro-trump-rallies-in-washington.html)
Trump didn’t stop his incitement after the initial violence, he got more specific. He told his supporters how, when, and where. He gave them 18 days notice inviting them to the rally telling them to be there, that it will be wild.[7](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/us/politics/capitol-mob-trump-supporters.html) And on the day of the insurrection Trump told his supporters to march on the Capitol and fight like hell.
Following the riot Trump continued to promote the big lie that had incited the insurrection. After the mob was dispersed, Trump praised and sympathized with the mob in a video he released, claiming once again that the election had been stolen.[8](https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-tells-rioters-i-know-how-you-feel-draws-bipartisan-condemnation-11609977209) Then he praised the insurrection in a tweet after the mob had been dispersed. He told his mob to remember Jan. 6 forever. He said that he loved the insurrectionists and that the violent mob were special people.
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New York Times - Over 30 Trump Campaign Lawsuits Have Failed. Some Rulings Are Scathing.
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BBC - US Supreme Court rejects Trump-backed bid to overturn election
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Politico - Trump pressures Pence to throw out election results — even though he can’t
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Wall Street Journal - Trump Tells Rioters, ‘I Know How You Feel,’ Draws Bipartisan Condemnation
Should mention also Trump pressed the capitol police not tk use metal detectors on the crowd and his supporters cached weapons a nearby hotel.
This was part of their “1776 plan” to seize control of government buildings including the Supreme Court and State Depsrtment, not only the Capitol.
Yeah, and his horrible remark about that:
'I don’t fucking care that they have weapons. They’re not here to hurt me
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Could it be? PoppinKREAM on lemmy?!
Pardon my unculturedness but who is PoppinKREAM?
He posted tons of these news roundups with citations on Reddit.
I think I heard that Poppinkream is a woman. I’m so happy to see them on Lemmy.
My understanding is that PoppinKREAM is a type of doughnut.
I thought it was what happens to popcorn when I get super horny…
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False equivalency fallacy.
Damn, always good to see PK.
Poppinkream is on Lemmy! Good to see you here.
This guy brought the receipts!
It’s PK, they only have receipts.
Please accept this Official Lemmy Gold® for the best post I’ve seen so far on Lemmy:
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PoppinKREAM!
My “favorite” but was when he heard that some of them had weapons that were denied access, and he angrily told his staff to let the weapons into the capital, because they weren’t coming to hurt him.
Thank you for continuing your hard work pk
Great to see you over here! So happy. Thanks for the great post.
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What does it mean to be indicted?
It means he’s going to be tried for his crimes.
It means he will be tried to see if he committed any crimes.
We aren’t the media here. We don’t have to play the “innocent until proven guilty or else he’ll sue us” game. The man clearly committed the crimes. He did it on national television. You can watch him tell people to “fight like hell” and tell them to march to the Capitol. It is an indisputable fact that he then did nothing to stop the insurrection until hours later.
Why the hell do you need a judge to rule to determine that he’s a criminal? The judge is there to tell us what, if any, punishment he’ll get.
This is just like people claiming he isn’t a rapist because the ruling in the Carroll case didn’t explicitly call it rape, when any reasonable person with a basic understanding of what rape is would understand that it’s rape even if that doesn’t fit the strict legal definition.
Trump is a criminal. He hoarded documents. He showed classified information to people who were not qualified to see it. He raped at least one woman. He fomented an insurrection. He tried to rig an election.
And you want a guilty verdict before admitting all of that? SMH.
I think he is guilty as sin as well, however we still have to prove it on a court of law and hope the judge is not lenient and throws the book at him.
In this case, it’s a D.C. court with a judge appointed by Obama, so I don’t think lenience is going to happen.
I mean we don’t actually have to do that
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Once again, “everyone” just means those who can afford it. Don’t think for a second is fairness for all. You would not be judged the same.
It means he’s being charged with the crime by a grand jury, as opposed to a prosecutor. So he’ll be going on trial to see if he gets convicted.
A little easier to understand the significance:
A grand jury has ruled that the evidence presented is sufficient enough to warrant a trial to determine if a crime has been committed.
Typically grand juries are either random citizens (selected via jury duty), or volunteers within the community, depending on the city rules. They are not elected positions, nor are any legal qualifications required. It’s simply high level evidence, and descriptions of laws that may have been violated.
It’s not an indication of guilt, just that there’s enough of a question that is worth holding a trial to determine guilt.
Edit - at least, that’s what a grand jury usually is. I wouldn’t be surprised if federal charges on a former president requires more qualified grand jurors than the baker down the street, or retired carpenter with time to kill that comprises your typical grand jury
Also there may be significant political bias (right?) if some of them are his hi-tech supporters
I am so relieved that the special prosecutor is defending the rule of law with these indictments. If the Republicans (and not just Trump) got away with trying to overturn the election we could lose our democracy. We still can, but at least they are going to trial against this would-be tyrant and some of the people who helped him.
You kinda already did when the founding fathers wrote checks and balances into the constitution conveniently forgot that political parties are a thing.
There are no checks and balances if the ones that are supposed to check and balance you are on your team.
P. S.
Really glad you are not making the law here.
Maybe this country isn’t so lost afterall. Maybe there is still time to turn it around.
Googles wildfire map
Sigh
This is great. Actual consequences would be greater. Not crossing my fingers.
