I tried Nextcloud a while back and was not impressed - I had issues withe the speed of the Windows sync that were determined to be “normal” with no roadmap to getting fixed. I’m now planning to move off Windows desktop so that won’t be an issue - so I thought I’d try again.

I went to nextcloud.com, clicked on Download-> Nextcloud server -> All-in-one -> Docker image - Setup AIO. This took me to the github README at Docker section. I’m already running docker for other things so I read the instructions, setup a new filesystem for my data directory and ran the suggested docker command with an appropriate “–env NEXTCLOUD_DATADIR=”. I’m then left with a terminal running docker in the foreground - not a great way to run a background server but ok, I’ve been around for a while and can figure out how to make it autostart in the background ongoing. So I move on to the next step - open my browser at the appropriate URL and I’m presented with a simple page asking me to “Log in using your Nextcloud AIO passphrase:”. I don’t have a Nextcloud AIO passphrase and nothing I’ve read so far has mentioned it. When I search for it I get some results on how to reset it, but not much help. I could probably figure that out too, but after reading some more I found that Nextcloud requires a public hostname and can’t work with a local name or IP address. I’m already running my home LAN with OpenVPN and access it from anywhere as “local” - I don’t really want to create a new path into my home network just for Nextcloud.

I’m sorry - I know this sounds like a disgruntled rant and I guess it is. I just want to check that I’m not missing obvious things before I give up again. All I want is a simple file sync setup like onedrive but without the microsoft.

  • @ikidd@lemmy.world
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    26 hours ago

    And here I am having used it for a decade and perfectly happy. I try other ones like Owncloud every once in a while and find them lacking. It was slow once upon a time but if you changed to postgres and used redis, it improved immensely. Today it’s quite fast and the sync has been working great for a long time.

    Use docker-compose with the AIO and it’ll be a lot easier to manage. There’s example compose files in the github repo.

  • @sevan@lemmy.ca
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    211 hours ago

    I’m in the process of (very slowly) migrating my household from Windows to Linux and am currently testing Nextcloud as a replacement for OneDrive. In my case, I set it up using pikapods.com because I want offsite storage. The server part of the setup was incredibly easy because the host did all the work.

    Getting my Linux client setup was kind of a pain (especially compared to the Android and Windows clients), but everything seems to work ok so far. Of course, I’m only backing up a small amount of data so far, so I can’t comment on the efficiency or speed for a major backup.

  • Milan
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    614 hours ago

    i am hoping for opencloud / ocis, a go rewrite of owncloud

    • MaggiWuerze
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      I am waiting for opencloud to finish its calendar implementation. The only thing I have reservations about is the fact it doesn’t use a database to store file info. Not sure I trust their approach

  • haverholm
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    Agreed, Nextcloud has gone from a lean little personal cloud to a hulking enterprise hub.

    If you’re after something that’ll just sync your files between devices, try Syncthing. If you need files available online, maybe something like filestash or, like somebody else suggested, SFTPgo.

    There are also tiny, lean calendar and contact server apps out there if you decide you need those. After self hosting NC for years I’m really happy spreading out the tasks over dedicated services rather than having all my eggs in one basket.

    • SayCyberOnceMore
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      513 hours ago

      I replaced Nextcloud with syncthing (files) & radicale (calendar, contacts & todos)

      No-one used the calendar on NC, they just used their phones, Outlook, etc

      No-one used the photo gallery on NC - that’s now Immich … again, with syncthing.

      During the early days, just doing an update would break things.

      For a small home setup, NC is too big, too clunky and just not the right tool.

    • @redlemace@lemmy.world
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      213 hours ago

      I love syncthing!! I have one VM with only debian an syncthing and that machine is backed-up frequently. All others PC’s and vm’s syncthing to that one machine.

      All of them sync ~/downloads

      All machines I use for coding also sync ~/code

      My desktop machines sync ~/documents.

      And so on. Works great (for me)

    • @paperd@lemmy.zip
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      417 hours ago

      the base install is still pretty lean, its only hulking if you enable all their new junk, but if you don’t enable all that, the default, at least when installed it was quite lean.

  • Jeena
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    2220 hours ago

    Nextcloud it just too heavy I totally agree, and everything feels slow and sluggish.

    For just files I use Syncthing and couldn’t be happier, it just works in the background without a central server just syncs the files between phones, PCs and laptops by itself. I set it up like 5 years ago when I had enough of Nextcloud and to be honest most of the time I forget that I have it, but I use it every day to sync my password database for KeePassXC, my music, my private and work documents between all my devices.

  • @cecilkorik@lemmy.ca
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    Nextcloud file sync is a convenient centralized solution but it’s not designed for performance. Nothing about Nextcloud is designed for performance. It’s an “everything and the kitchen sink” multi-user cloud solution. That is nice for a lot of reasons. Nextcloud Sync is essentially a drop-in replacement for Google Drive or OneDrive or Dropbox that multiple people can use and that’s awesome. It works the same way as those tools, which is a blessing and a curse.

    Nextcloud is for the same role you SAY you want, “All I want is a simple file sync setup like onedrive but without the microsoft.” That’s what it is. But I don’t think it’s what you’re actually asking for, and it’s not supposed to be. It has its role, and it’s good at that role. But I don’t think you actually want what you say you want, because in the details you’re describing something totally different.

    If you want performance sync for just files, SyncThing is made for this. It has better conflict resolution. It has better decentralized connectivity, it doesn’t need the public IP server. It uses a very different approach to configuration. Its configuration is front-loaded, it takes a fair bit of work to get things talking to each other. It’s not suitable for the same things Nextcloud Sync is. But once you have it set up it’s rock solid reliable and blazing fast.

    Personally I use both SyncThing and NextCloud Sync. I use them for different purposes, in different situations. NextCloud Sync takes care of my Windows documents and pictures, I use it to share photos with my family. I use it to sync one of the factors for my password vault. It works fine for this.

    I also use SyncThing for large data sets that require higher performance. I have almost 400 GB of shared program data, (and game data/saved games), some of which I sync with SyncThing to multiple workstations in different parts of the country. It can deal with complex simultaneous usage that sometimes causes conflicts. It supports fine tuning sync strategies and files to ignore using configuration dotfiles. It’s a great tool. I couldn’t live without it. But I use both. They both have their place.

    • @Jason2357@lemmy.ca
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      I use both as well. They server different purposes. When my wife wants to take a quick scan of a paper document and archive it instantly, or have pictures auto-upload, or open and edit a document we worked on a year ago, all on her IPhone, the Nextcloud client works great and really has no competition in the iOS world. When I want to keep the files in my home directory, including some big, regularly changing files, instantly synced between computers and hosted VMs, Syncthing is amazing. I also add Syncthing shares as an external source in Nextcloud, so I can open those files via the web. As others have said, Nextcloud works fine, provided you don’t start installing all sorts of “apps” you don’t need -stick to the basics.

  • Grumuk
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    818 hours ago

    Honestly I hate all these file sharing self hosting things. Looking at you nextcloud owncloud syncthing seafile etc. They all suck. All I want is NFS support in android, that’s my only pain point accessing my files from anywhere from my home network. I can already VPN/wireguard into my network from anywhere, but I can’t grab an ebook or mp3s off my NFS server from my phone or tablet, I have to have some other dumb infrastructure for it. Just (#@$^* put NFS in android already!!!

    /endrant

    • @sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      416 hours ago

      I could never figure out NFS … ( it only works with unix usernames??) But since I have smb servers I can use that with Android

    • Great Blue HeronOP
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      215 hours ago

      Yes! There used to be a little utility that could map a SMB share in Android, but that got killed years ago.

  • @Father_Redbeard@lemmy.ml
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    819 hours ago

    Seafile. It’s super fast and lightweight. There are some caveats though:

    • Data is stored in git-like chunks on the server side. There is Seafuse and Sea drive functions that you can leverage to “assemble” the data on server side for backups. I personally use rclone mount, then backup.

    • Paywall hiding some features. The community edition is free but is missing some features that pro has. Pro edition is free for 3 or less users.

    • Documentation isn’t great. The forum is active so that’s helpful, but some of the docs take some time to understand

    • Chinese owned. As far as I can tell, there is no call home for a self hosted server, so I don’t think it’s a worry in that case.

    All that said, I like it much better than Syncthing for it’s selective sync. All files on each client are synced to the server. But unlike Syncthing, it doesn’t sync all data with each client. This is vital for me with some devices with small storage drives, so I would t want all files to sync. Yet I can still reach to the server from any client and pull data from any other client. Syncthing has an ignore flag, but that seemed way more trouble to setup than just sticking with Seafile.

  • oranki
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    1421 hours ago

    My biased opinion is that most people run Nextcloud on an underpowered platform, and/or they install and enable every possible addon. Many also skip some important configurations.

    If you run NC on a bit more powerful machine, like a used USFF PC, with a good link to it, the experience is better than e.g. OneDrive.

    Another thing is, people say “Nextcloud does too much”, but a default installation really doesn’t do much more than files. If you add every imaginable app, sure it slows down and gets buggy. Disable everything you don’t need, and the experience gets much better. You can disable even the built-in Photos app if you don’t need it.

    Not saying NC is a speed daemon, but it really is OK. The desktop and mobile clients don’t get enough love, that’s true.

    I’m talking about the “bare metal” installation or the community Apache/FPM container images. AIO seems to be a hot mess, and does just about everything a container shouldn’t be doing, but that’s just my opinion.

    • @surph_ninja@lemmy.world
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      214 hours ago

      Agreed. You also have to make sure you get everything configured correctly. The admin should get some suggestions for set up needed in the settings screen.

      I also had to provision a lot of cpu cores for it. It doesn’t use much while idle, but try to pull a doc or picture, and you’ll see the cpu usage skyrocket.

      And at the end of the day, it’s going to be heavily impacted by your disk speed. If you want superior performance, time to consider data center grade solid state drives.

    • @atzanteol@sh.itjust.works
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      Many “self hosters” simply aren’t comfortable with the basics and expect things to be just an app you install. A simple two-tier app/db architecture is too complex for them (hence the prevalence of sqllite these days).

      I’ve run nextcloud for many years and was simply surprised to hear that it’s “difficult to manage and slow”. My experience has been quite the contrary - it’s been easy to keep up to date and has never failed an upgrade or lost data. And it performs “well enough” since I don’t use low-cost hardware for servers.

      My only complaint is that I need to run occ from a terminal rather than having a web interface for it. Makes running it in a k8s pod kinda annoying.

      • @tripflag@lemmy.world
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        one of the main reasons SQLite is gaining in popularity is because people are realizing it has higher performance than separate databases in many usecases. Keeping the communication in-process cuts a lot of overhead (network, memcpys). The fact that you also don’t have to go through the trouble of configuring a separate service is just a bonus :-)

    • @Jason2357@lemmy.ca
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      220 hours ago

      Your opinion is a hard-learned lesson here. I only recently figured that out. The Nextcloud “app store” is just too tempting.

  • @just_another_person@lemmy.world
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    There’s a lot of stuff going on here, so let me break down your post for each issue:

    1. You need to understand the difference between a docker run command, and detaching to run a container in the background. Just running it with ‘run’ keeps it in the foreground.

    2. For the passphrase issue: https://github.com/nextcloud/all-in-one/discussions/1786

    3. Lastly, if you’re not familiar with containers, and this is a single purpose machine, you’d be better off just running the bare project on the host. If there’s no need for containerization, just skip it.

    • Great Blue HeronOP
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      You need to understand the difference between a docker run command, and detaching to run a container in the background. Just running it with ‘run’ keeps it in the foreground.

      Yes, I understand this. I was just highlighting that it’s not a great experience for a new user to follow the instructions to setup a server and be left with it running in the foreground.

      For the passphrase issue: https://github.com/nextcloud/all-in-one/discussions/1786

      Thanks! This should get me past my current hurdle so I can do some more testing. Again - not a great experience to have to come to a forum to get help to find a passphrase. I’m pretty sure I didn’t miss any steps?

      Lastly, if you’re not familiar with containers, and this is a single purpose machine, you’d be better off just running the bare project on the host. If there’s no need for containerization, just skip it.

      I’m familiar with containers, but think they’re overused. Stupid little things that are a single Python script (for example) shipping as a Docker image! But, I thought Nextcloud was complex enough to be worthy of a container? This is not a single purpose machine, but I’m an old, retired, sysadmin - I have no problem running a few different servers on the same host.

      Are you referring to the “Archive” Community Project installation method?

  • @paperd@lemmy.zip
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    317 hours ago

    If you want to self host your contacts and calendars and have multiple users, I still don’t think there is anything better. I hope Open Cloud gets there eventually, but right now its only the beginning.

  • @rtxn@lemmy.world
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    I’ve never used the AIO image. I’ve heard it’s weird. This is my compose file for the community image:

    compose.yaml
    volumes:
      db:
    
    services:
      db:
        image: mariadb:10.6
        restart: always
        command: --transaction-isolation=READ-COMMITTED --log-bin=binlog --binlog-format=ROW
        volumes:
          - db:/var/lib/mysql
        secrets:
          - mysql_root_password
          - mysql_nextcloud_password
        environment:
          - MYSQL_ROOT_PASSWORD_FILE=/run/secrets/mysql_root_password
          - MYSQL_PASSWORD_FILE=/run/secrets/mysql_nextcloud_password
          - MYSQL_DATABASE=nextcloud
          - MYSQL_USER=nextcloud
    
      nextcloud:
        image: nextcloud
        restart: always
        ports:
          - 8080:80
        depends_on:
          - db
        links:
          - db
        volumes:
          - /var/www/html:/var/www/html
          - /srv/data:/srv/data
        secrets:
          - mysql_nextcloud_password
        environment:
          - MYSQL_PASSWORD_FILE=/run/secrets/mysql_nextcloud_password
          - MYSQL_DATABASE=nextcloud
          - MYSQL_USER=nextcloud
          - MYSQL_HOST=db
    
    secrets:
      mysql_root_password:
        file: ./secrets/mysql_root_password.txt
      mysql_nextcloud_password:
        file: ./secrets/mysql_nextcloud_password.txt
    

    You can access it on port 8080 and perform the initial setup manually. For the database server address, use the db hostname. You’ll have to use a reverse proxy for HTTPS.

    You could also try OpenCloud, which is a Go rewrite of ownCloud.

    • JASN_DE
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      You could also try OpenCloud, which is a Go rewrite of ownCloud.

      A fork of the internal Owncloud Go rewrite.

    • Great Blue HeronOP
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      I’ve never used the AIO image. I’ve heard it’s weird.

      It does seem to be. So, I find it weird that the “core” documentation leads a new user to installing AIO.

      You could also try OpenCloud, which is a Go rewrite of ownCloud.

      Sounds interesting - thanks.