Synology’s telegraphed moves toward a contained ecosystem and seemingly vertical integration are certain to rankle some of its biggest fans, who likely enjoy doing their own system building, shopping, and assembly for the perfect amount of storage. “Pro-sumers,” homelab enthusiasts, and those with just a lot of stuff to store at home, or in a small business, previously had a good reason to buy one Synology device every so many years, then stick into them whatever drives they happened to have or acquired at their desired prices. Synology’s stated needs for efficient support of drive arrays may be more defensible at the enterprise level, but as it gets closer to the home level, it suggests a different kind of optimization.
Synology is like Ubiquity in the self-hosted community: sure it’s self-hosted, but it’s definitely not yours. End of the day you get to deal with their decisions.
Terramaster lets you run your own OS on their machine. That’s basically what a homelabber wants: a good chassis and components. I couldn’t see a reason to buy a Synology after Terramaster and Ugreen started ramping out their product lines which let you run whatever OS you wanted. Synology at this point is for people who either don’t know what they’re doing or want to remain hands-off with storage management (which is valid; you don’t want to do more work when you get home for work). Unfortunately, such customers are now out in the lurch, so TrueNAS or trust some other company to hold your data safe.
Lol! Not like uGreen put any roadblocks to running your own OS (like disabling the watch dog feature in the BIOS and some other setting to enable custom boot).
And you don’t have any fan control on their NAS. Either you estimate and configure correcrly or you need to schedule downtime.
Actual servers let you live tune (some of) the power settings. Synology supports changing the fan profile in the live OS.Damn I was really happy for ugreen, terrormaster it is then.
It’s not like you can’t do it (I did save the original SSD and replaced it with a new one and installed TrueNas Scale). It’s just not intended to do from uGreens perspective.
Edit: I think I used either of these guides I used on how to open and how to install the new OS:
https://youtu.be/BWNH_JzMNPc
https://youtu.be/R8t-Wqx_E3U
https://youtu.be/yh8Ao5ryOeEOh yeah. The HDD indicator bays are partly non-functional as well.
But you can restore some functionality with scripts you run periodically with cron. Juat search “ugreen dxp4800plus led cli github” to find it.Edit2:
And I only chose a uGreen NAS due to the Kickstarter price. Because that was a 40% price reduction.
At least I got a solid Model that is really nice. It also has a magnetic metal dust cover Ican easily remove if needed (even easier than the one on my pc case front panel which is a Fractal Design North)
Just lol at Synology trying to do an Nvidia
The enshittification/rent seeking continues. Nothing is sacred.
If I had known how bad it’d get I would’ve chosen a different field to work in. Sure, I can avoid it in my private life but on the job it’s like I’m in some kind of hostage situation.
“Oh hi there customer! You know our product your users are accustomed to will only come as a subscription from now on and it’ll also be really bad and force full screen ads. We’ll push two updates per day because our unpaid interns are so agile. Bugs? Oh, no, we call those ‘micro disruptions’. They’re a feature but don’t cost extra! How much the license costs? Well, how much do you have? Yes, it’ll be that much.”
Lmao what is Synology smoking. I have used their hardware in the past, now I’m so glad that I chose a Nextcloud setup for my home storage solution.
Also why does the nonsense reasoning for these limitations always include “security”. That’s a rhetorical question btw, I know they are just making shit up.
This comment by Frodo Douchebaggins in the Ars Technica comments sums up my newfound disrespect for Synology pretty well:
Suck a turd, you enshittifying sons of bitches.
I had been considering upgrading, my current 4 bay Synology is physically full and running out of storage space. Moving that to a larger Synology box and adding drives would be easiest, basically plug and play.
But now instead I’ll probably just switch to a more traditional NAS instead. Run TrueNAS, or maybe give HexOS a look. If I’m going to have to convert from my current proprietary Synology filesystem anyway I might as well rebuild from scratch. As it is I’ve shifted all the services off the Synology and Docker to a dedicated Proxmox box.
Grab one of the 8 bays now, this won’t affect anything currently released. I don’t see me having to retire my 1813+ or 1819+ (both 8bay) anytime soon and both are 4+ years old without a hiccup.
Why bother with that? That’s gonna be $1000 just for the box alone, and still lock me into the Synology ecosystem.
I can build a NAS with more capability for less than that. Like taking a Jonsbo NAS case and have the freedom to do whatever I want with it, with plenty of space to move everything else I’m running over to that as well. Even their N5 would likely be less expensive, and I’d have room for 12 HDDs and 4 SSDs then.
While I agree with the doing whatever you want on a custom build I very much doubt the reliability as per my comment here.
https://lemmy.world/comment/16523392
Personally I’ll be moving to rack units when these finally kick the bucket.
Once my DS415+ (with the C2000 fix) finally dies, I’ll most probably go with a Terramaster F4-423. They have an internal USB-port with their OS which you can replace and install a custom OS to it. And it’s basically just an Intel NUC with a storage controller in a nice package. So, pretty much compatible with the usual OSes and NAS softwares.
I was looking at simple 2 bay home NAS and Synology was - quite logically - one of the contenders. Now I’m glad I ordered differently. Went with Asustor AS5402, which might be not as polished package as a Synology option, but they’re very open about it and say it’s just regular PC so you can instal e.g. TrueNAS if you want. This openness convinced me.
I get why they do this sort of thing but it didn’t stop us re-adding video station and h265 support back into our Synos.
Someone already made a script to overwrite the existing compatible drive checker so someone will write a new script to fix the new one.
Oh, snap, bringing me the magic I need, but didn’t know to look for.
I’ve been refusing to update because of video station. Looks like I’m saving your comment for later.
The real shame is they didn’t open source the app on decom.
Actually perfect timing (for me, it’s all in all terrible)… I was about to buy myself a NAS and struggled to figure out which to get, and this removes at least one option.
Honestly if you’re comfortable with Linux I just built my own at this point, but if you’re not then obviously don’t take my advice
Yeah, I daily Linux, so I wouldn’t mind. It’s just that I want a decently sleek system with less risk of making a mistake when it comes to what I’d want to store. (I follow the 3-2-1 on important files anyway thought)
As I read this, I am just transfering over to TrueNas on totally open hardware (from Synology). After 1 week, I am loving it. A bit of a learning curve, but TrueNas seems really nice and solid.
Plllbbbbbb @ Synology - I just got one of these and added 2x 4TB ssds this week. I’ll eventually add 2x more but for now I’m set: https://www.gmktec.com/products/intel-twin-lake-n150-dual-system-4-bay-nas-mini-pc-nucbox-g9
Fingers crossed that it doesn’t blow up or crap out.
Jeff Geerling: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_Ft8OAPQ3g
Absolutely wild timing on this video. I built mine on Wednesday. I installed OpenMediaVault on mine. The one I bought was $30 cheaper to not have that Win 11 1TB drive. I would have wiped that anyway, and have no use for a 1TB drive.
I started mine off with heatsinks on my SSDs. Those are running at 53 C since being powered up on Wednesday after work. I didn’t go crazy with the heatsinks that pop out of the bottom or anything though, his were pretty funny to see.
These posts are absolutely perfect timing for me. I’m looking to start replacing an old Synology Diskstation I bought back in 2016 that has worked for me flawlessly. I really appreciate everyone sharing their details and experiences here.
Tldw: get some thin heat syncs 75-80c temps on the ssds
Cut some holes in the plate covering them
I had Synology for a second but built my own server, went UnRAID, and never looked back.
This is the way.
Started messing around with docker containers on a small Synology box a few years ago, dumped Synology with a quickness in favor of just building an Ubuntu-based NAS. I’m running TrueNAS Scale bare metal now and getting ready to dump it to go back to another roll-my-own Linux + ZFS setup, possibly using Cockpit and the ZFS extensions from 45 drives.
People who buy overpriced “solutions” instead of taking the time to configure a PC seem like exactly the crowd to enjoy a closed ecosystem (see apple)
The reason why Synology is great is their bulletproof reliability.
Sure you might be able to make a PC perform the same spec for spec but will it actually? And even with these devices, they are so far from Apple it isn’t funny, you have to set up a fair bit still to make the most of them. Also why use a 500w psu VS low power consumption of a NAS device.
Honestly HDDs/SDDs are a disposable part of the backup ecosystem, I get that they want some extra money but there are already scripts to overcome some of the existing compability checkers in these systems.
Not everyone has time, skill, or desire to spend their nights learning how to build and configure a nas.
People have other hobbies than IT, so if a photographer wants to have a local storage for his portfolio without faff, I guess they can get fucked?
Really with your gatekeepingDon’t get me wrong, I don’t support this. But I can see how the suits at Synology could come to the conclusion that this is a great idea
Synology is made for the tech literate tech idiot.
They solve one problem and create a dozen more. That problem not only doesn’t need a physical solution, it doesn’t need to be a standalone device. It doesn’t need its own shitty proprietary operating system.
Anyways. Fuck them.
Would love to hear why the problem doesn’t need a physical solution, if you want total control
Synology runs a proprietary OS OOTB that’s had multiple sloppy vulns exposing full remote access to users’ files. Putting your data in the hands of fuckups who have and will continue to leak it is the opposite of total control.
It’s completely trivial to store any data you want to in a cloud provider 100% securely just by piping it through openssl before uploading.
if you want total control
You literally just moved the goalposts.
But, sure, ok… your NAS can be simply 1 16TB HDD in a server that does a dozen other things already, assuming its generally always available on your network. That’s roughly what I do (with redundancy).
Such a silly move. Like shooting yourself in the foot to sell more bullets
They should be careful, they’re just selling small form factor computers with removable drive bays. Standing up and unraid or a true Naz isn’t all that difficult. And then there’s plenty of competition out there ready and willing to eat their lunch.
Died 1990s, born 2025 - welcome back Mac hard drive firmware lockdowns
