Too bad the rest of the Democrats can’t hear them with all that money stuffed in their ears.
They can’t. But that just means we demand they go.
I’m sure they’ll all just step down on demand /s
Can’t insider trade if you aren’t inside her…wait what?
Dems are just a bunch of empty chairs.
Sucks, but it’s also an opportunity. Plenty of space for progressives to move in and take over.
It’s mostly the consultant class morons that suck. Both parties used to be full of consultants until 2010-2015 with the rise of the tea party / trumpism. The GOP kicked most of the consultants to the curb, but the Democrats are still running campaigns like it’s 2008 and the voters give a shit about the color tie the candidate is wearing.
Harris would’ve been a good candidate had she not been market researched to death.
I obviously don’t agree with TDS-having morons that believe that all experts are useless, but expertise should really be evaluated every once in a while. It’s clear to me from my field that professional management and consultants are often goldbricking idiots with impressive resumes and few actual professional accomplishments.
Fuckin A, West Wing. We could only wish to have people in the white house like them. They’re not perfect, but at least they care and they aren’t literally evil.
Yeah. On the other hand, it may have done some damage to the left by portraying a fantasy world where explaining looks like winning… which is, very obviously, not how real-world politics works.
Unfortunately this just isn’t true. It’s not the consultant class that made AOC cry on the floor of the House for not wanting to fund Israel’s iron dome, it was Nancy Pelosi. The whole infrastructure is corrupt with wall street money. It wasn’t the consultant class that disciplined each every squad member into toeing the party line, not coming out guns blazing for progressive candidates and calling for primaries against corporate Dems, it’s the party leadership.
They also suck. I’ll give you that. It’s all things at once: the policy sucks, the leadership sucks, and the messaging sucks. However, the leaders aren’t immune to the ouroboros nature of the consultancy within the Democratic party.
Some of the leaders obviously internalized all of the marketing feedback. By the time Hillary Clinton did her final lap on the stage, she was clearly little more than 30 years of political marketing advice in a pantsuit.
You’re right though, basically everyone involved is a sellout and that’s the real root of the problem.
Dems are the establishment, both parties are full of old pieces of shit I think Bernie is the only decent one and he’s promoting stuff that we have in Europe and is basic for a rich western democracy.
Nothing is gonna change unless people start rioting and protesting in the streets like the fucking French do, go set a few precints on fire and the ruling noble class will notice you once you kick a few of their loyal uniformed dogs
We in Europe won’t have that stuff for long if people keep voting these fascists adjacent parties into power.
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Damn, if only someone could have seen this all coming 200 years ago as industrialization started to take off
Yeah, who was that guy again? Groucho Marx or something?
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It’s easy if you try.
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It isn’t hard to do.
Bernie is kinda as bad as your run off the mill democrat candidate. He’s just more palatable to capture young and progressive vote, but he refused to call the genocide by what it is, and has been a defender of Zionism in the past.
The people need to save this country. Yes that means you and me actually going outside. We need to stop expecting systemic change to come from politicians within a two-party system.
Exactly, the country is what we make it, that’s what a democracy is. If we do nothing, evil will do something.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
But what if it inconveniences me even slightly?
Shit, forgot about that. We had a good run, fellas. Crash it up, and let’s pick a different seed for next run.
But I’m le tired.
Well have a nap…THEN FIRE THE MISSILES!!!
Then separate yourselves from the dems and create your own party. We will follow.
Absolutely. Dems are at an all time low of approval as far as I’m aware. This is the opportune time to make a new one. Enough with the weak responses to a threat that not only throws the US into chaos, but the rest of the world as well.
Gonna be honest, wasn’t a huge fan of AOC a couple years ago. Glad to see her being the one person out there with Bernie trying to keep it real. Hell yeah
Who were you a fan of years ago?
Always been a Bernie guy
just make a new one already
What’s wrong with the leftist third parties we already have?
The ones that exist solely to split the progressive vote to ensure a loss?
The fact they exist and got us nowhere near a unified working class movement.
They’re all sectarian and pointless. The party that takes us there will be formed by the popular working class movement
If only AOC also fought harder and signed along with other members of congress to free mahmoud Khalil.
I’d love to be wrong, but while they talk a lot neither of these two are accomplishing much on that front either. And no, I don’t mean their voting history.
Messaging is important. While the Republicans are saying “There’s some temporary pain, but it’ll all sort itself out in the end. We just need to get through this transition, and the tarrifs and deportations will MAGA”, there needs to be a counter-argument.
They’re (thankfully) not preaching to the choir. They’re going to Republicans and independents and explaining in these rallies that there’s an oligarchy that has taken control, made them poorer, and it will get worse.
If they can convince enough people of the real causes, they have a broader base, and potentially even some new progressives.
lol Republicans messaging is always that BS. Just like trying to get rid of Obamacare.
“it’ll sort itself out”.
Yes, with lots of death and money lost.
They’re going to Republicans and independents and explaining in these rallies that there’s an oligarchy that has taken control, made them poorer, and it will get worse.
I doubt Republicans are attending these rallies; good chance most of the people attending are blue-leaning voters (which exist everywhere in the same way red-leaning voters exist in California).
If they can convince enough people of the real causes, they have a broader base, and potentially even some new progressives.
That’s true, but the problem is twofold here: First, without strong leadership willing to take to the streets all this messaging will never lead to action. Messaging is important, but it’s not everything. Second, America is going fascist at breakneck speed and doesn’t have the time for progressives slowly build up a base of support. This is a time of crisis, and both the Squad specifically and the American progressive movement in general are letting a good crisis go to waste (which incidentally is not how you solve a crisis). Everyone to the left of Ronald Reagan is acutely aware that something needs to be done, and many want someone to give them something to do. Bernie simply doesn’t give people anything to do—which even in the best of times this is a big problem with how he does things—but right now it’s downright suicidal.
Edit: Typo.
This is a time of crisis, and both the Squad specifically and the American progressive movement in general are letting a good crisis good to waste
What would you recommend they do? And how would they go about doing that within the strictures of a two-party system where one is fascist and the other is captured?
Drum up support for protests, boycotts, strikes and other forms of resistance. They—or anyone else trying to lead the American progressive movement now—have to understand that they’re leading a resistance movement, not a political movement. The battlefield ceased to be Washington in January; now it’s the hearts and minds of people and, most importantly, the streets. Bernie, if he’s interested leading the movement (which I doubt), should be linking up with local and state-level progressive movements and cooperating with them to organize a nationwide resistance effort, not try to pour progressive energy into a system that has already failed them. This resistance effort can then be reorganized into a third party and knock the democrats out of the competition with the legitimacy it’ll gain from being the resistance that toppled Trump’s regime. This is a time where the GOP is only concerned with their third of the population and the DNC has almost completely lost legitimacy in the eyes of the other two thirds; there is no reason to operate within the system. If the GOP plays a “good game of chess”, then the progressive movement should take a sledgehammer to the chess board.
I would love to see AOC and Bernie attempt to bring back the American labor party
This is the answer. Dems are compromised. A new party is needed.
Pick up where Debs left off
I will put forward a radical suggestion for Progressive candidates in 2028: physically take control of television studios at key points, and make your message. This is because FOX and other mass-media channels are in the pocket of conservatives, so they will try to downplay or outright ignore Progressives, in an attempt to deplatform them among the general public.
While online social platforms like Bluesky or physical locations like churches would be key for messaging, television is a major mouthpiece of the 1%. It will be important to steal the megaphone on occasion.
The studios almost certainly will speak only for Trump when not busy with glazing his nethers.
I hope those two start taking more young actually left leaning politicians (or even would-be politicians) under their wing and publicly endorsing them.
That will never be the democratic party. We need a new party, not a new democrat to save us.
Now there’s a ticket.
So many comments about them starting a new political party and I don’t want to disagree but if democrats already have less votes than republicans now, wouldn’t that make it even harder to win an election?
Huge numbers of people eligible to vote, do not vote. I think the hope behind these calls for new parties is that the shy voters would like a change and would vote for a radical alternative in enough numbers to elect the Left into government. I am less convinced that shy voters are just waiting to give their votes to a better party. I think many have given up on representative democracy. The way all democracy, but especially USA democracy, has been privatised means you would still have to get massive funding to run a campaign just for the new party to be noticed by the media, let alone win votes from people not motivated to even bother to register to vote before. Thus your new party has to pander to donors more than its members or potential voters and the old, old story repeats on a loop where the party is just a puppet to wealthy puppet-masters. Old Dems are dead, welcome the New Dems, same as the old Dems.
Thinking things over, I am pretty old, nearly 70, I have recently decided that political parties and representative democracy are not able to deliver good government. Maybe last century they did, sometimes, but there’s no way to go back in time. I now believe in direct democracy and some kind of anarchy - my model is life in a small community, everyone knows and trusts each other, agrees the rules on how to run their lives, the focus is on just living each day and being as happy as possible. This society meets human need, in humane ways. We humans need that kind of nurturing. Modern nation states are too big, too complex, admin is too ‘one size must fit all’ impersonal not to be inefficient and tyranical. Better to live in smaller communities and have more autonomy. Manage larger problems through a wider network of those who share your values, a federation of new city states maybe. Can it be done? Only way to know is to try it.
The Far-Right have smashed the old reality. Their ideas about new cities-states imagine them as kingdoms with absolute monarchs, elites admin, and slaves with no rights, only allowed to live if they generate profits. It is up to each of us to use this cursed opportunity to make a new future different from the dystopia imagined by Curtis Yarvin and his ilk. We have to dare to be free. As things get worse, it will not be a choice but a necessity. Be your own rescuer or be another’s slave. Political parties have almost never been our friend, no matter what they say just to get our votes. More of the same is just slow death.
If democrats are worried about splitting the vote, they don’t have to field a candidate.
Chuckle!
The democrats have less votes because their policies are platitudes and austerity at the expense of the working people and in service to party donors. It’s not for a lack of leftist sentiment, as Bernie himself still has quite a bit of a following in spite being independent
