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Summary
Vivian Jenna Wilson, Elon Musk’s daughter, accused her father of giving a “definitely Nazi salute” at two rallies in January, calling his actions “fucking cringe.”
In an interview with Teen Vogue, she criticized Musk’s involvement in the Trump administration and advocated for trans rights, emphasizing the importance of gender-affirming care for minors.
Wilson, who transitioned as a teen, described Musk as cold and absent, and revealed she no longer associates with him or his family.
She also expressed fear over anti-trans legislation under Trump’s administration.
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Everyone who isn’t a fascist or gaslit by wealthy nepo babies agrees
Is that the one, that was “killed by the woke mind virus”?
Yep, that’s the one that he said that about.
Yes. Apparently Elon paid for all his in-vitro babies to be male. You can see how having a trans daughter would be the end of the world to that kind of chud.
What? To quote a famous man: “Concerning, looking into it.”
Well thats one member of the Musk family I can understand and who seems like a decent human being.
Hope she manages to get away from that cringe fucker as soon as possible.
Wow it’s literally 1984! Can I get your autograph?
Are you proud to see your predictions on where humanity will go come to reality?
Its fashinating how humans build societies they dont want to live in. Who else does that… :)
The article literally said she doesn’t associate with him or his family. Seems like she’s away from him…
But damn… I can’t imagine what it would be like to be trans and have your dad as the most prominent and powerful Nazi in the world, spearheading a sham federal org called DOGE that is basically eliminating all reference to people like you and firing people like you in the most powerful country in the world.
So many layers to that experience, I imagine.
It really sounds like the plot of a kids movie.
I mean, ya know, aside from the Nazis. But just having an extremely powerful, single parent, and being a young woman who is everything that he’s against.
Even with the Nazis, I could see Disney making a movie like this.
Especially that she’s becoming a rather loud voice of reason (and against her biodad), and that voice is amplified by sole fact of having half his chromosomes.
Hmm, yeah, I can’t see Disney ever making a kids’ film with Nazis in it.
Even with the Nazis, I could see Disney making a movie like this.
Eh maybe you used to, now they’ve swung hard in the opposite direction. Cancelling their LGBT projects and doing Christian ones instead to try to win back the Right.
It’s gonna flop, that ship sailed ages ago… and they’re still doing shit like Live Action Snow White
It would be neat if Vivian becomes President AOC’s successor. Here’s hoping we shift tracks onto that timeline.
It would…but I think the union would shatter first. We’ve never even had a white AFAB president.
If he’s abusive, she was maybe a target for it. Gender queer kids often get targeted by the perp cos they’re different.
Yeah she’s spoken on it
That’s sad but unsurprising
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you mean she dislikes her father
I don’t know why you are downvoted. You are using her preferred pronouns.
It was the parent (edit: my grandparent) poster who repeatedly, and most likely intentionally, used the wrong pronoun.
did they edit their comment? or is it wrong to call someone who prefers she/her by they/them? i feel like they/them is the neutral version so if you prefer either he/him or she/her then they/them also applies, no? sorry if i’m being ignorant here.
edit: i guess people do distinguish they/them as a way to identify non-binary people, and so using they/them on a person who specifically requests she/her can be offensive if you have been informed that they have a preference. but i don’t see how using they/them to describe a person you don’t know anything about other than that they are transgender is offensive when there are so many possibilities for preferences. as a cis man i don’t feel offended being refered to as they/them and i think it would only be respectful to assume that someone who transitions ftm would also be comfortable with that, unless otherwise stated. i’m not a woman so i obviously can’t say for certain but i’d imagine i would also be okay with she/them, and therefore a mtf transgender would also be okay by default. ‘by default’ in this case meaning the circumstance in which you haven’t been explicitly informed of their preferences. i guess that’s just my respect compass- which very well might be wrong from some people’s point of view but i think it’s obvious that it doesn’t come from a negative place, which is why i don’t think the original comment in necessarily trying to disrespect her.
The article, the title, and the summary, all use her preferred pronouns.
I think “they” is perfectly fine if the preferred pronouns are actually undisclosed (or are the persons preferred pronouns, obviously).
But using “they” like three times, in response to a post where the proper pronouns were used? And with an oppositional tone? It lays it all pretty clear that the grandparent was intentionally saying “they” as a sophomoric attempt to express their disrespect.
My parent, who is downvoted, is quite clearly calling grandparent out on it.
But using “they” like three times, in response to a post where the proper pronouns were used.
I don’t see that being an issue, unless as you pointed out the tone of the rest of the paragraph. I’ve have tried to made a habit of using they and them most of the time when I write stuff even for cishet folks.
E: you know what, re reading some of my comments I don’t do that nearly as often as I thought i did. I apologize.
taking the article into more consideration i think you are right, this comment was pushed to the bottom so i guess by the time i got there it had slipped my mind what exactly the article said haha. though i do think it comes from a place of ignorance rather than malice. i personally might have made the same mistake which is why i attempted to give them the benefit of the doubt. prior to conversing with you i wasn’t very well informed on the etiquette. i would have assumed “they/them” was just the safest route to avoid offending anyone regardless of whether or not i knew.
You can’t be serious right now…
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Yeah, you should re-read your comment. That stance is not being conveyed in it.
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Elon’s estranged kid
You know that we know that this is intentional, right? You know she’s his daughter. Why are you pretending she’s not?
No one is pretending anything. How did you come to that conclusion?
By looking at how Sculptous Poe is actively refusing to use the right pronouns for Vivian Wilson
Based on the negative karma of your comment, I’m not the only one who thought your comment was intended to say it wasn’t a nazi salute. Say you what you want and get defensive, it’s no skin off my back.
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it was a Nazi salute.
Not sure how confusing that statement can be.
It definitely was. He’s apartheid nepo baby. Autistic or not, he’s racist and a terrible asshole. Also a nazi.
If he’s autistic, that can be dangerous when mixed with narcissism. There’s research showing a link between it and mass shootings (practical example here). Possibly due to some autistic people thinking in polarised extremes, having poor social skills and lacking effective empathy.
At least provide some scientific data to back up any claim like this. Posting this is an extremely harmful claim to make regardless, but to do so with a “practical example” is not only incredibly offensive it has the potential to be profoundly harmful. Please consider providing real data for your claims or editing your post entirely.
No problem at all, and as a disabled and neurodiverse person, I really appreciate your concern. I’m at work so I’ve only got a few papers to hand but there’s:
Kenyon, Baker-Really and Binder - lone actor terrorism, a systematic literature review. Ebbrecht - risk factors and mechanisms of radicalisation in lone actor grievance fuelled violence. Broad- incels, violence and mental disorder
Tysm for your information, I will look over these and follow up 👍
Np. Lone actor grievance fuelled violence is pretty interesting as a topic.
That’s an exceptionally dangerous claim to make; it’s going to cause people to further alienate people that are on the autism spectrum. When you look at the report that the US Secret Service released on mass shootings (I’d have to find it; I’ve got a copy saved somewhere), autism spectrum disorder is not listed as a factor, while things like divorced parents is.
Perhaps you missed the part that said, “[Forensic psychiatrist Dr Iain Kooyman] found Prosper had an ‘extreme lack’ of empathy and remorse - something that could not be explained by ASD alone.”
And, BTW, people on the autism spectrum lack effective empathy, not empathy. That means that a person on the spectrum has a reduced ability to understand what a person is experiencing or feeling, not that they don’t feel empathy when they do know.
I think it can be dangerous because of the presentation, and singling out ASD.
There’s lots of otherwise harmless things can become danger multipliers.
Being sleepy is harmless. Driving a car is very slightly dangerous. Being sleepy while driving a car is incredibly dangerous.
Being on the spectrum isn’t dangerous at all. Radicalized people can be slightly dangerous. Sociopaths can be fairly dangerous. Gun ownership can be slightly dangerous. Radicalized sociopaths with guns on the spectrum are worth worrying about.
But the solution isn’t singling out the ASD, but other factors that can be more effectively controlled.
There’s discussion in this thread re him having autism, I should have mentioned that. Did you see that I said when mixed with narcissism it can be dangerous? I’m not saying neurodiverse people are dangerous.
Oh, I totally get it. You’re all good. I’m saying that presenting it in that manner is dangerous, not that you’re necessarily presenting it that way.
Yes, and I appreciate you pulling me up on it. I should have made it clear.
Youre right, I should have said effective empathy or similar, I’ll edit my comment. As a disabled and neurodiverse person, I really appreciate you pulling me up on it. I’m at work so I’ve only got a few papers to hand but there’s:
Kenyon, Baker-Really and Binder - lone actor terrorism, a systematic literature review. Ebbrecht - risk factors and mechanisms of radicalisation in lone actor grievance fuelled violence. Broad- incels, violence and mental disorder
And I agree, autism doesn’t explain mass violence or cruelty.
Elon Musk literally helped re-legalize segregation in Federal Contracts, if he had the power he’d ban MLK’s “I Have A Dream” speech and gate off Harlem from the rest of New York.
It was one.
Technically, it was two.
My favorite explanation for this is that he’s autistic. It never fucking ends with these people, lol
Tourette syndrome makes people do involuntary Nazi salutes. Not Autism.
Yep, its fucking outrageous and insulting. He’s not an autistic person that needs 24 supported living, he can function to a high level in day to day society. He’s been in the public eye long enough to be well aware of how his actions can be perceived. He fucking knows exactly what he was doing, and chose to do it.
Breaking: Elon Musk’s daughter has eyes and a working brain.
True, but shed also particularly able to speak on his mens rea. She’s spoken openly about how even when she was young he was bigoted and cruel. So while many of us may have witnessed a man get radicalized by the right wing as he lost his damn mind which might lead some to think it was him being edgy or something, she’s able to say that no, he in his private life as a man who was merely rich was a massive shit stain.
Person who has no expertise on a subject agrees with experts on the subject, more news at 6!
Are you suggesting that a kid doesn’t have any insight into their parent’s behavior and that “experts” do?
The article said he’s been an absent father her whole life, so in this case, not really.
No, I’m saying she’s not an historian specialized in Nazi Germany.
You don’t need to be to see it was not one but two nazi salutes
You don’t, but her opinion is useless when all experts already agree that’s what it was.
It’s like asking actors their political opinion. Who gives a fuck what they think? They’re actors, not political analysts.
And yet, here you are with your opinion that no one asked for. Are you seeing how this works yet?
So you’re saying my opinion is just as important as hers, she gets to share hers, I get to share mine, will The Guardian write an article about my opinion now? Are you seeing how this works yet?
No, I’m saying she is relevant to the story. You aren’t. Yet here you are trying to erase her from it, while adding yourself to it- via the comments.
Yell all you want. She’s still going to have her say in legitimate news articles, while you’re relegated to ranting about it in forums located in the far reaches of the internet.
And you think that’s required for recognizing a Nazi salute? That’s whack.
No, I’m saying that all experts agree it is so her opinion doesn’t matter.
The experts say it’s a Nazi salute. There’s not a single credible person claiming it’s not. If you can’t tell what an expert is, you’re likely not intelligent enough to take part in this conversation. You must be this tall to ride the ride.
You should work on your reading comprehension.
All experts agree it is a Nazi salute, we don’t need the opinion of people who have no expertise on the subject, even if they’re somewhat related to Musk (considering how he wasn’t involved as a father it’s not as if her opinion of him is based on anything but his public persona).
So if we scoured your comment history, we won’t find you weighing your opinion in on things that you are not an expert in, right?
Wilson, who transitioned as a teen, described Musk as cold and absent, and revealed she no longer associates with him or his family.
So he’s a sociopath. That checks out
hes the guy that uses SON, who he name X-2AE,etc/ and uses him as a human shield.
He literally just said “empathy is weakness” the other day, I think it’s pretty clear he’s got some serious personality disorder. Narcissism and sociopathy both seem to fit him pretty well but I’m just a blue-collar guy.
Idk one way or another he’s a piece of shit and I firmly believe one of the most evil people kicking, if anyone can be said to be evil, it’s him.
And I’ve played a LOT of evil in DnD over the years. Both sides of the screen. I feel like I’ve got a pretty good grasp of the concept. If he was just a character in literature I’d go “damn, that’s a good villain”, but he is, sadly, alive and real.
The first time I heard about him beyond a vague “electric car person” post was from a tech co-worker in 2017, where they said they read a biography of Elon where they basically labelled him a sociopath. So, just to emphasize to anyone in the back-row, it’s certainly not news.
I always got a bad vibe from Elon, back when people were praising him, I just shook my head.
No private company is ever going to save the world, not enough money in it. And even if there was, it’s not enough for the rich to have a lot, others must have very little or it doesn’t “mean anything”
funny thing is that is the time he revealed the plans for the cybertruck, im guessing they never changed the design since then.
Evil is the absence of empathy, so by his own admission he is absolutely evil.
I saw a gif earlier that I can’t find. It has Elon’s seig heil salute that is perfectly timed to a group of Neo-Nazis executing the same salute. They were absolutely identical.
Does anyone know where to find it?
Adding to the others, here’s that pairing alongside Musk actually doing what normal people would accept is “my heart goes out to you”.
Ooh good addition!
For some reason, lemmy absolutely will not allow me to upload that one gif. Here’s some alternatives:
Yes, Lemmy wouldn’t let me upload that gif either. I doubt it’s because of the content - seems more likely to be a bug.
Yeah, idk what it could be. Content filter is unlikely since we’re on different instances and, you know, it’s lemmy. I tried compressing it and it still didn’t work… maybe I’ll make a bug report.
Here you go
That’s it! Thanks!
Do we really need her opinion on this? I mean we all know what it was, I mean we might as well ask the baker at this point and make an article?
Kids her age often tend to only care about the opinions of other kids their own age.
Her statement isn’t for you. It’s for all the Trumpanzees that are still in denial.
You have a higher chance of winning the lottery than a Trumpanzee listening to a trans woman.
Yeah, we know.
Everyone that isn’t braindead or a pathetic shill knows.
