OK democratic leadership, you win; I’ll quit voting for your party.
If Republicans didn’t have majority then there wouldn’t be any DNC making difficult choices. Not voting for democrats is exactly what caused this problem you’re supposedly outraged by.
If Republicans didn’t have majority then there wouldn’t be any DNC making difficult choices.
“Difficult choices”? How difficult is it for democrats to cave to republicans? At this point, it’s reflex. It’s not a difficult choice to yawn when you see someone else yawn.
I’ve held my nose and voted for the Democrats my entire adult life, including mid-terms. Guess I just gotta take it up the ass like the good rube that I am, since the Democrats don’t know how to win.
Why are you ashamed at yourself for doing the correct thing? Likening yourself to a cuck surrendering to rape because you voted for your own wellbeing and that of others?
I’m not seeing the connection here. Maybe keep your weird sexual fantasies out of politics, or start assigning blame where it deserves to be.
YOU are the one that brought up the weird sexual fantasies, only to blame them on him. Calm down.
Guess I just gotta take it up the ass like the good rube that I am,
Thats what that “lifelong Democrat” has to say about voting for the DNC.
It’s a figure of speech.
Words have meanings, chooae better words if they don’t mean what you want.
Why are you ashamed at yourself for doing the correct thing?
Voting to give genocide support a mandate is not the correct thing to anyone but centrists.
I was speaking figuratively. The “blame” for the inability to win lies upon the corporatist/“fascist-lite” DNC and their sycophants and cronies. Especially considering that in the last election, they had the largest campaign war-chest in recorded history and still lost. They’ve continuously paid lip-service to the working class and now they wonder why
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When did I “literally praise the GOP”? Are you high?
No, they just want silence from all critics to their left so they can listen to the critics to their right.
Primary them. The primary is where a protest vote actually matters. It’s where you’ll get the opportunity to replace your dem with a BETTER candidate instead of a worse one in the general election.
Primary them. The primary is where a protest vote actually matters.
Provided the primaries are trustworthy. Or exist at all.
I agree. What really disheartened me and cemented them as “Corpo-fascist Lite” was the DNCs fuckery against Bernie Sanders and his willingness to let the chairwoman and Hillary get away with it.
Just quitting voting isn’t enough, join a local political group. Worst case scenario, they get radical and you’re too into it so you end up on the news. Best case scenario, they get radical and you’re not into it so you go home and plan your meals for the week.
‘Do this thing, but in the best scenario you’re not doing the thing.’
Canceling plans makes me turgid. My first kid was the result of our yoga instructor falling out of their window on New Year’s Eve
Uh, what? Brand new sentence. Also, you fucked your yoga instructor, or…?
I think I have seen this one
How did she anger Putin?
congratulation you filthy trump supporter
Yes, being mad at the people who are enabling trump’s bullshit means you must support trump.
Braindead take.
Centrists think any criticism of their deliberate uselessness is a trumpist. They like the uselessness.
It’s a thought terminating cliche Trump wishes he had.
And vote Republican instead? Yeah, that’ll show’em.
your braindead take is exactly how you got into this mess
As we all know there’s nothing else to vote for. Please don’t look below the first two options on your ballot or voter registration! Or look at the history of political parties in the US!
OK democratic leadership, you win; I’ll quit voting for your party.
May not matter at the rate we’re going.
Way i look at it if does then the threat was overblown and they’re undeserving anyways.
I said the same shit to my senators and Schumer https://www.schumer.senate.gov/contact/message-chuck. If they don’t vote no, I won’t vote Dem ever again. Tired of it.
I quit. American politics are a circus sideshow full of dancing turds. At this point, let it burn. The side that I vote for won’t even stand up against this shit, so what good is my vote now?
Just a bunch of rich assholes doing whatever they want.
Come to Europe. We got ice cream and free healthcare. Also you don’t need a gun to protect yourself when going out for a walk.
I think those of us who want to leave cant…
I mean I KNOW I’m fucked, I’d save my wife…but who would accept us? Likely not one single European nation.
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All of them will if you have a million in the bank… If not then its a long hard road.
Exactly…I’m not rich.
So we’re fucked.
Don’t need to be exactly rich.
What are the obstacles to taking this step? Is it only a financial matter? What is you and your wife’s profession? You can pm me if you want to.
Unfortunately internet stranger. I cannot divulge my information, my wife’s a tech teacher and I’m screwed. It’s about it.
You could be a houseman. We have a lot tech jobs in Germany and not enough good personnel.
That’s not exactly true. There are countries who welcome you if you have like some useful skills.
I’m a middle school teacher and my partner builds houses. What country in Europe will take us? It’s a nice thought, but no one will accept us.
Teachers and construction workers are always welcome. The teaching part could be a problem because of the language and licenses, but maybe a state were English is a more common language.
Albania. It’s nice here. There’s a construction worker shortage, and no shortage of jobs for teachers that speak English. You can even show up and hang out for up to a year with no visa.
I really doubt moving to a place like Albania, with far, far lower salaries, a massive language barrier, and a plethora of internal problems would be considered an improvement by most of the US citizens here.
A little closer than Europe, Canada needs both. Depending on age and some other factors it shouldn’t be too hard, tho it is not easy. Just don’t choose Quebec or New Brunswick if you don’t speak french
Here is a link to our Express Entry
Gonna need that free Healthcare after I get done eating all of that ice cream.
That’s why the American people have to do it themselves. Take to the streets. The system has failed you. No one will save you but yourselves.
You know what my grandfather did to fight fascism? He carried a Garand and a 50lb satchel charge.
Fuck voting. Fuck letters. Fuck calls.
It won’t burn on its own. It will only get worse if left unattended.
I’m just so disappointed in the fact that there are so many people in this country that actually voted for this shit. How can people sell themselves out like that, just to be able to say, “I owned the libs loool”
I don’t even know what to think anymore.
Cmon, they cheated. We all know it. Even they know it. And by not addressing it and shining a light on it, Democrats are INVITING them to do it again in 2026 and 2028. In 2028, HitlerPig will win his unConstitutional reelection with 98% of the vote, and use that “overwhelming popularity” to justify ignoring the Constitutional prohibition against a third term.
It’s to do with where people stand. Most people in the US, despite their rhetoric, would be more centrist than many people realize (and between both major parties). That means most aren’t in agreement with much of what Trump is doing internationally or with respect to Musk/DOGE in application, though most might support broad ideas of ‘putting the US first’, ‘reducing the size/cost of the US government’, ‘stopping illegal immigration/deporting illegal immigrants’ etc. But crucially, this also means that most eligible voters are also right of the vocal elements of the left that play up political correctness, identity politics, and social economic policy (economic policy further left-wing than what we see at the moment). So in an election, if neither side really aligns with the majority of voters, it’s easy to see how voters can be swayed by voting against the current party in power, voting due to marketing/propaganda, or voting against the party that seems most radical in ways that differ from voters’ ideas/interests. Trump didn’t campaign on annexing Canada, or invading Greenland, but he did campaign on deporting illegal immigrants and reducing the size of government. And many people saw Harris as a continuation of Biden but with a more socially liberal (or further left on this) attitude and a stronger association with identity politics. So if Trump in his first term didn’t do much that most people would consider lasting harm (despite his antics and buffoonery) and campaigned on ideas that the majority agree with, whereas Harris was a continuation of an unpopular presidency/government (at least at the end) but with a flair of things that most people don’t align with, well, the result speaks for itself: a landslide in the electoral college. The only way forward for democrats is to capitalise on the mistakes Trump is making (unpopular decisions and attitudes), to seem reasonable and grounded to the majority, and to not veer off and start pushing for social issues most of the voting center doesn’t really buy (so for example focus on creating a better immigration system and treating immigrants fairly, but not legalising illegal immigrants. Or pushing for general social protections, workers’ rights, consumer rights, better and broader healthcare coverage and business regulation without straying into a focus on minority rights, trans terminology battles, antireligious discourse or attacking tradionalists/older folks’ viewpoints.) If you can win the center you can win the election. And you do that by appealing to the traditional center (and definitely not by antagonising it).
But crucially, this also means that most eligible voters are also right of the vocal elements of the left that play up political correctness, identity politics, and social economic policy (economic policy further left-wing than what we see at the moment).
The evidence does not support this, it in fact supports the opposite conclusion.
I think you need to think long and hard about why your perception is so confidently and boldly at odds with reality.
Lemme get this straight: you say the Democratic party’s policy of espousing a conservative approach on the issues of the day (immigration needs controlling, trans kids bad, Israel a-ok, etc) to peel voters from the Republican party was not only a good plan, but the only course of action they could reasonably take to win the election?
The Democratic party doesn’t need to espouse any of that, it just needs to be less belligerent about opposing the issues since they’re issues where the party’s stance isn’t quite shared by the majority of the population. If you remove the stumbling blocks for voters, and instead focus attention on where the party shares its views with the majority of the US population, then wouldn’t it be natural that more of the center would shift your way?
Perfect encapsulation of the state of the Dem leadership:
“Chuck Schumer caving and saying he’ll vote for a blank check for Trump and Musk is demonstrative of why Democrats lose,” lamented progressive activist and writer Jonathan Cohn. “Voters so often don’t believe what they [Dem leadership] say because they don’t believe what they say.”
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Literally less than 24 hours after saying democrats wouldn’t support the CR
Absolutely pathetic
Big surprise, old suits in the democratic party don’t represent the modern democratic voter.
There needs to be term limits, especially based on age, and to whipe out any form of stock trading and “donations”.
The reason they’re still in office is for 30 years the DNC has put protecting incumbents above all else, including beating republicans.
The DNC power structure is pretty much the opposite of a democracy, but we just got our furtherest left chair in over 30 years, and his performance as a state party leader shows his biggest concern is beating Republicans, and he’s accomplished that to great success by just not putting the party in-between voters and the progressive candidates they want to vote for.
It’s an incredibly low bar, but one Ken Martin easily clears.
Don’t hate the (literally a month old) new blood for the failings of the old.
The reason they’re still in office is for 30 years the DNC has put protecting incumbents above all else
Protecting centrist incumbents above all else. They didn’t do shit to protect Cori Bush or Jamaal Bowman, for exactly one reason.
I’m not giving anyone this shitty party selected for any position the benefit of the doubt until I see how they actually behave in situ.
New blood needs to start pushing the old blood down the stairs.
Don’t fuck with chuck
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I am almost certain that Schumer is being threatened.
No. He likes being republicans’ lackey. He’s living the centrist dream right now.
Not a sudden reversal, this is all what he wants. The idea that these corporate Democrats are against what Trump’s doing is false. Chuck Schumer is perfectly happy with deregulation. He’s perfectly happy with rolling back every bit social quality we’ve established in the last 100 years. All of them are. Neoliberals are 100% okay with Donald Trump.
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Except he previously stated his intent to fight,
Yes, that was a lie.
and the rest of the party is absolutely roasting him right now
Just enough democrats voted with republicans. There’s always just enough.
Something’s off? From what? This is what he does. It’s what he’s done for years. Even the timing of a statement a few days ago was on purpose. Designed to make this betrayal even more damaging. To take the legs out of opposition. Not to give the opposition time.
As for interest of the neolibs, winning by a lot of votes isn’t any more valuable than winning by a few. They just need it to pass. If it passes in a way that lets them keep fundraising all the better for them. If it passes in a way that allows them to keep underminding actual opposition to their goals awesome for them.
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Red… Blue… doesn’t matter. A bunch of spineless pussies fill congressional seats assuming if they go along with whatever bullshit is presented they’ll keep getting their cushy salaries and excellent benefit packages.
Every one of the fuckers needs to be on unemployment.
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Just for the record, this is what democrats always do, and it’s why they keep fucking losing.
Democrats would rather have trump than have a social-democratic platform, and it shows every time they have the opportunity to fight him and chose to capitulate instead. The democrats aren’t a left-wing party, certainly not now, and arguably not since FDR.
Two sides of the same coin if you will.
You can’t have a coin with one side, and both sides need coin in their bank account.
The problem is, both parties serve someone, and it’s not the common man. The Republican party is a lot more effective at maintaining the illusion – look at how many of their constituents consistently vote against their own interests and are proud to do so.
There’s people working for Federal agencies RIGHT NOW that have either already been terminated or are on the rocks and they are STILL Trump supporters. They are willing to destroy their own lives just to “own the libs” and it will be interesting to see how far this trend will be taken.
There is always a few Democrats to fuck shit up. This time there were 10! I hope to see the day where Shumer and Fetterman both fuck off into the sunset.
“VoTe BlUe no mAtTeR who”
Liberals as always would rather side with fascists.
How are you gonna explain this one away @someguy3@lemmy.world ?
I don’t know why you are picking fights and letting a faceless, random Internet stranger live rent free in your mind. The centrist Democrats/liberals are tone deaf. There is no getting through to them other than their value of private property, free market and stocks. If those things are even nudged, they will immediately side with fascists and make up some circular logic of excuses, instead of admitting what they truly value for siding with fascists.
Who said I have to explain it away? Nice strawman!
Ok but this isn’t what I voted for last November and I’m quickly running out of reasons to vote ever again until these dumb fucks actually do something to oppose him. Might as well let the fascists have all the seats, the Dems only apparent purpose right now is to further legitimize trumps unconstitutionality.
I swear if Gavin fucking Newsom gets the nomination, I’ll take my chances with Vance… And that’s not a compliment at Vance, Gavin’s just THAT openly transphobic that Vance looks like a good person BY COMPARISON, I know they’re both transphobes.
God… a situation where I’d support Vance, are things really getting that bad
Course if it’s Trump Jr. I’m going to try to grab a ballot, only to throw up all over it… That apple hasn’t fallen from the tree, somehow it’s floating over it
Walz however, I can live with and vote for willingly without a gun to my head.
You mean to say that you disagree with democrats voting to end cloture?
He won’t answer. He loves them doing this. “nice strawman! i dont need to defend my views!”
So you’re finally agreeing that the DNC is useless?
Thank you for demonstrating again that you really rely on strawmans! Ciao.
So when people voted for Schumer they should be happy he’s doing this?
Please answer how this is accepted by you.
And the next person comes in with strawmans! Lol. Ciao.
“I have claimed you’re a straw man, I win! Bye!”
They aren’t sending their best bootlickers.
Please state how Schumer is a good person here deserving of the vote of the public.
Do-nothing Democrats strike again.
Schumer is a coward and a fraud. The weakest leader in a generation. He should resign in shame.
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with this much effortless casual homophobia i’m surprised you’re not a trump supporter
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Pretty sure this is a quid pro quo joke
if it’s not homophobia, can you explain why “sucking dick” and “getting railed” are implied to be embarrassing or otherwise “bad” things for a guy to do?
Agreed. Unfortunately, Lemmy also took a step back to 2010s reddit when it comes to tolerance and self-analysis too, apparently. Schumer is terrible but he’s terrible in a way that doesn’t have to be articulated as a slightly elaborated version of “that’s gay”
Oh good god, get over it. Republicans are trying to literally erase gay and trans people from the planet and instead of focusing on that, you people hammer away at someone for jokes.
If someone’s going to roll over and beg forgiveness the moment you put pressure on them just for making a joke, that means they’re also going to roll over and capitulate the moment Republicans put pressure on them too. This is why Democrats are stuck with weaklings like Schumer.
Pretty gay post ngl
Thank you for speaking up.
No. Stop. We don’t need people “speaking up” against folks on our side for making jokes right now. That’s how we got stuck with weak pansies like Schumer.
If someone’s willing to beg forgiveness the moment someone gets offended over one of their jokes, that person’s also going to roll over and capitulate the moment Republicans put any pressure on them.
Start picking and choosing your battles more wisely, Democrats. The guy making bad gay jokes yet still votes Democrat isn’t your enemy. The Republicans trying to erase gay and trans people from existence are.
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Framing this as a this OR that situation is incorrect. I can try to get people to use my sexuality as an insult less, AND I can fight republican bullshit too.
Brother, sister, or other in the current context it’s a clear joke to show who is the “Dominant” and who is the “submissive”. If you understand current social dynamics, youd know that. Now we can have a conversation on if that’s appropriate considering the view is shaped by human histories use of rape as a weapon, especially when subjecting others, but that’s getting so unnecessarily deep. I can just understand this is a joke using modern social dynamics.
Also, I’m Bi. I’ve been with two guys throughout my years. Or do I get to have another conversation on how I’m not actually gay?
…i know? obviously it’s that, nobody was debating that fact. my point is that the automatic agreement that having sex with men makes you submissive is inherently homophobic.
imagine if instead if the insult was like, “he’s such a woman, i bet he loves cooking, cleaning and looking after republicans!”, I imagine you’d correctly interpret the sexism in there. the original message was homophobic in the same way.
and i don’t care how gay you are or aren’t, you have zero authority to tell people that they’re not allowed to find something discriminatory
I mean yeah, that would get the same point across? The specific use of the word woman makes that sexist. So your example is disingenuous. At no time did op call Schumer gay.
Leave out the woman part and it is the same joke, with the same implications, but no sexism. Much like there is no homophobia in the original joke. Understanding social norms and implications isn’t homophobic.
I have every authority to tell you what I find discriminatory. You’re welcome to tell me you feel insulted by what I say, and if we were actually in the real world I would be sure to avoid such jokes around you (if we interacted on a consistent basis). But I’m my circle, this is a nothing burger.
It’s like a Trump supporter would get offended when you make fun of Trump’s tiny hands. Should we do our best to avoid offendeding them? Or are there certain people it’s ok to offend?
Maybe we avoid making the joke because it might offended people with tiny hands? The joke works because it bothers Trump, not because there is anything with tiny hands. But hey just because some people might get upset it’s not an ok joke to use.
This is the Internet. This is a melting pot of different people. I’m not gonna tailor every joke and every response to your sensibilities, or anyone else’s. Grow up.
I’d have said, and have said the same for Pelosi.
The implication being that he’s their bitch. He’d take any shitty deal they threw at him because he’s Daddy’s good little representative.
Frankly y’all sound like you came straight from Twitter the way you jumped on the most offensive interpretation you could think of and ran with it.
“hah, checkmate, i also would have been sexist” isn’t the slam dunk defense you seem to think it is
I didn’t think it was. I made a crass joke, I know what I said. You’re virtue signaling, very liberal of you.
Dude… Fuck these weak-ass Democrats. They’re too big of pussies to fight Republicans, so instead they pick fights with “allies” like you and I over making stupid jokes.
God, I wish my country’s two-party system didn’t consist of one party filled with fascist Nazis and the other party filled with easily-offended pussies who would rather eat their own than stand up to the fascist Nazis.
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It’s wild. Chin up though, I’ve been to quite a lot of demonstrations this last month and it’s getting more and more promising. I even got my Joe Rogan worshipping fuck of a co-worker to attended the veterans marches last Friday, so the more sane ones are waking up.
Arm yourself. Find community. Resist.
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I swear, you Democrats completely suck at picking and choosing your battles, and that’s part of why you’re stuck with weaklings like Schumer. Do you think someone’s going to have the guts to stand up to Republicans if they grovel and beg for forgiveness the second someone gets offended over a joke they made? Weak.
There’s Republicans out there working to literally erase gay and trans folks from the planet. Those Republicans are the people you need to focus on fighting, not the guy who made a bad joke yet is clearly on our side.
So because of fascism we just need to sit down shut up and tolerate homophobia? Thanks.
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At this rate, maybe AOC or similar will become the democratic candidate in 2028, and basically lead to another Republican landslide. Democrats, at least the politically active ones that would sway these things (not leadership), keep putting a large emphasis on identity politics, political correctness, and a certain ‘victim’ ideology which is out of touch with many of the centrists who ultimately decide the election. Kamela Harris, despite her shifts in policy, is a gauge of this, and yet in these areas she and AOC are nowhere even close, but the AOC-type group is where I see the biggest push among younger democrats. From the point of view of winning a general election, this could be concerning for democrats.
AOC wouldn’t be a Republican Landslide what are you… reads the rest of it
Ahh… you’re one of those “Democrats need to crucify transpeople in the street in order to prove they love America” weirdos
Sorry Concern Troll, but I’m not buying it
what the fuck are you talking about? i am not even american, let alone a democrat? stop using the dumbest fucking justification for homophobia i have ever heard. stop the bigotry or fuck off back to reddit.
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I saw your reply before it got deleted by the moderator. You are every bit as hateful as a Trump voter. It’s people like you who will gladly watch as LGBTQ+ people get systematically rounded up and put in camps.
Rumor is that he’s doing it because he has a book tour starting tomorrow and if there’s a shut down he can’t go. Fucking cretin.
I hope to God that’s not true. I can’t imagine someone being that selfish
Elon Musk is in the news everyday and you can’t imagine someone being that selfish?
At this point, Elon Musk hardly counts as “someone”
They will
Democrats need to primary all these old fucks the way the crazy maga crowd primaried Republicans
Chuck is a pussy and needs to go ASAP
“The Republican bill is a terrible option,” Schumer said in his remarks. “It is deeply partisan. It doesn’t address far too many of this country’s needs. But I believe allowing Donald Trump to take even much more power via a government shutdown is a far worse option.”
You fucking twat
hes using the republican doublespeak.
