Summary
The Trump administration plans to revoke temporary legal status for 240,000 Ukrainians who fled Russia’s war, fast-tracking them for deportation.
The move is part of a broader effort to strip protections from 1.8 million migrants admitted under Biden’s humanitarian parole programs.
Trump’s policies also target 530,000 migrants from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Venezuela.
Legal challenges are mounting, as affected individuals face uncertain futures. Advocates warn that even U.S. allies, such as Afghans who assisted the military, are now at risk of detention and deportation.
Not content with being a Russian asset and Convicted Felon, Donald is apparently straight shooting for War Crimes now.
Always have been.
no wonder he wants to leave UN.
What the fuck…
I can’t believe the cruelty. I’m just… But… No words.
Imagine there are still people who chose to go to USA voluntarily?
Will Americans really still just look on and do nothing while the Trump administration is tearing the country apart?
Imagine there are still people who chose to go to USA voluntarily?
I’d rather live in neo-fascist USA than in a war zone where I’m liable to be sent to the frontlines and die bleeding out in a trench after a drone blows my leg off.
I’d rather live in neo-fascist USA than live in poverty in many parts of Latin America where I would make 10x higher salary for unskilled labor. I would also have a 10x lower chance of getting my throat slit walking down the street at night.
Neo-fascist USA has literally threatened war with Canada and other neighboring countries, so if you think you won’t be on the front lines in a nonsense war started by fascists, then history has a very important lesson to teach you.
Chances are you and other Americans will be fighting in Ukraine alongside Russia by next year at the rate this clown show is excellerating.
There’s no American freedom in Neo-fascist USA, just whatever the broligarchy wants. The rights and freedom you, and every previous generation of Americans fought for are pretty much all gone now, so you are sorely mistaken if you assume you now have any.
i was born in a country with a military dictatorship who used to disappear people. just because the country is going to hell doesn’t mean you can’t carve out a meaningful life for yourself in the chaos. and living in a dystopian version of the US is probably still better than living in a dystopian version of a 3rd world country
then history has a very important lesson to teach you.
at no point in US history has the US been at war with a neighboring country over a trade war escalation and instituted a draft as a result of that war
any future war is going to be versus China and we’ve probably got at least a few years before that comes to fruition.
we’re in the years leading up to WW3. think of it like the early 1930s. if you look at history, everywhere sucked. i’d rather be in a 1st world country when the bombs go off rather than a 3rd world country where i’m liable to starve due to mass famines
You’re arguing for the pros of living in Germany post WW2. Because if WW3 happens, the US will not be on the side of the good guys.
Im sorry you lived in a 3rd world dictatorship. I imagine you moved to the US to escape that. I would very much like to preserve the freedom that attracted you to this country in the first place, rather than be complacent as we break bad due to social medias firehose of propaganda.
I would very much like to preserve the freedom that attracted you to this country in the first place
i would very much like to preserve the freedom as well. i’m not pro-fascism if that wasn’t clear
i was just saying that even if shit gets really bad here people may still come because everything else could be worse
Fair enough. And thanks for the clarification.
That’s not exactly voluntarily then, if it’s to save your life.
Will Americans really still just look on and do nothing while the Trump administration is tearing the country apart?
Yeah, pretty likely.
There are a lot of protests going on right now - the news isn’t covering it.
Where? how do you know? how does the rest of the world find out about these?
I was curious what would happen if I googled “protests happening right now” and interestingly enough, it sent back this link: https://usprotests.liveuamap.com/
I’d question the credibility at this point. I’ve spent 0 minutes on there.
Aside from that…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN-NxUYGpAo&list=RDNSdN-NxUYGpAo&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieXcaRvKAz4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHitRUYRbdk&list=RDNSNHitRUYRbdk&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tro3pCO0YWY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBMF2OU-xR4
Honestly, just fucking around on Lemmy every other day or so, I always see a new post regarding a protest.
Thanks for the links!.. definitely a balm on the shattered trust in the American people
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Why are you offended at anone asking for evidence?
Maybe is more people asked for evidence, the world wouldn’t be in such a mess now
There are images each week of a new protest in my city subreddit on reddit
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I think the legal, standing around with signs protest is going to have to have its toothier cousin (the violent riot) starting up again alongside it if we want anything to change. They already painted the 2020 protests as “burning the cities down” despite them being >90% peaceful. We might as well – to reference Kendrick Lamar’s lyrics – fuck being rational and give em what they asked for.
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Is that what you think a riot is? A mass shooting?
Dude there are things between holding signs in free speech zones and mass shootings.
Yup.
Legal avenues and peaceful protests aren’t viable.
Violence will have to be the answer. Historically it always is if legal avenues and peaceful protests fail.
Fascists do not respond to anything other than violence.
It’s coming. The question is how much violence will be necessary to bring about change?
And it all could have been avoided if Americans behaved like adults and refrained from empowering a traitorous felon rapist.
Will Americans really still just look on and do nothing while the Trump administration is tearing the country apart?
It appears so.
Our checks and balances within our federal government have failed. Categorically. Our government is not equipped to deal with internal threats like this. We have too many weaknesses within our system and too many individuals unwilling to live up to their oaths.
That leaves it up to the general public. Right now, not gonna happen. Not sure what’s going to happen over the next few years. Things are going to get progressively worse. People will get more desperate. Violent crime will increase. These factors may push Americans to protest, probably violently, at levels never before seen in this country. That could bring about a positive change. But I’m not really betting on that happening. People are complacent. People are wage slaves. We’re going to have to lose our internet and TV and cell phone service before Americans get bloodthirsty on a large scale. Or if they seriously fuck with social security. That’ll cause riots.
But if they’re even remotely smart fascists they’d know to do this all slowly to prevent Americans from noticing or at least to prevent them from getting super mad super quick. Like, fuck with Social Security a little bit, so people get mad, but not that mad. Then do it some more a year later.
They’re not particularly smart though. So we’re basically going to see over the next few years if Americans can live up to our rebellious stereotype or if we’ve become meek and frail through lack of true hardship.
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Our checks and balances within our federal government have failed. Categorically.
Absolutely, the whole system was based on the administration respecting the law, when it doesn’t do that, all the checks and balances don’t work.
They’re not particularly smart though.
Sadly that seems like the best hope we have.
::Looks at Americans really still just look on and do nothing while the Trump administration is tearing the country apart::
Yes.
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If I wrote the list of actions and demonstrations I visited and helped organize in the last 15 years, I’d get accused of bragging. There’s no winning against that argument, it’s either “Show me what you’ve done” ::Shows all the things:: “You’re bragging” or ::Shows nothing:: “See? I’m right.”
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In middleschool some peers and I helped run a fundraiser and helped organize in 2003 against the war in Iraq (kinda started here, cuz I naiively thought we were past that as a species)
When living in America during my teens, attended every protest I could physically go to to march against KKK and NeoNazi rally’s, we even (foolishly) got physical with them.
November 2011 was at Occupy Wall St. where 800+ of us were arrested on the Brooklyn Bridge. (first time being arrested at a protest)
2012-2013 worked with Greenpeace, Wilderness Society, and alongside with Bob Irwin (Steve Irwin’s dad) in his Fight for the Reef campaign to protect the Great Barrier Reef from coal shipping expansion (successfully managed to delay the Australian coal industries plan for a whole year, sadly they dredged the GBR anyway but I’d like to think we gave them a headache.)
2013 onwards - Attended every protest but at this point I’m past yelling and shouting, nowadays I hand out bottles of water and information on rights and what to do if you’re arrested or confronted by police.
2024 - Helped defend Plymouth UK from the fascist pogroms, same as above except also using my body as a shield to protect others from bricks. Hurt like a bitch but i’d take a million more. Also help run classes and leftist meetings alongside socialist members of government to teach members of the public everything from history of anti-fascism to safe resistance to mutual aid and preformative politics to cybersecurity to fascist dog-whistles and local fascist groups.
Does this qualify as doing something?
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Is being smug and looking down on people from your high horse worth it? Are you enjoying yourself?
This is why I don’t share the things I’ve done to try and help, because random people on the internet who have done nothing say shit like this. Like I said, there’s no winning, i’m either bragging or lying. You asked I answered, and you’re still not happy.
EDIT - I was open enough to share a list of things i’ve done, do you mind sharing yours?
Then prove it.
I’m not gonna send my professional c/v to some rando on the internet. What difference does it make anyway?
So you’ve done nothing and you’re pretending. Thumbs up
What have you done?
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Speak for yourself.
This is not about any individuals, it’s about America as a whole!!!
Believe it or not yes some of us are trying to do something.
Speak for yourself.
I’m still waiting to hear what they’ve done to combat injustice in their home today. Or even yesterday for that matter.
EDIT - They responded, they’re a G.
This is not about normal politics, or business as usual, it’s about Trump destroying USA. In my country there is nothing remotely close to Trump or Republicans to demonstrate against, because we have a democracy that actually works.
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It’s in Europe, but I guess you meant which country it is, which is Denmark.
And there is nothing magical about it, there are several similar countries that have functioning democracies.
To have a functioning democracy is not magical. But yes we do demonstrate if there are issues that require it. And we do have grass root movements. That can organize demonstrations quickly when needed.
The ICE fucks who are ordered to arrest Ukrainians here fleeing wartime (children, mothers, elderly) better fucking resign and/or blatantly refuse this shit. If not, these traitors should be executed right along with trump and vance.
Good people don’t become ICE.
Good people don’t become and remain any sort of unlawful enforcement officer. ACAC. All Cops Are Criminals.
I’m a Latino and I’ve always seen ice as the Gestapo of your country, I’m glad everyone else is seeing it. Ice has been a hellhole where the most evil and destructive humans end up working from its beginning.
They are a scapegoat in my opinion for presidents and congress. Congress can’t or won’t pass sensible immigration reform laws, so instead they just throw money into ICE knowing it’s always been a boondogle, but pretend like they are somehow addressing the issue.
Obviously ICE attracts some terrible people, but it would barely need to even exist if our politicians were willing to pass policy changes.
they source all the employees from southern states no doubt, or people who share conservative values or at least former military, where else would these people get jobs.
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In nazi land, everyone becomes illegal eventually
Exhibit A. This article.
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I’m native, i don’t need any incentive to stand against you and your fascist wannabes no matter what they cal themselves
Not resign, only refuse
I wonder what the Ukrainian people want.
Especially the ones misplaced to the US by a war Russia started, and now have to return to a war zone because the USA is now politically aligned with Russia, and willing to break international treaties, law, and ethics if it gets them Putins favor.
You’re an absolute idiot it you can’t comprehend the international seppuku the USA has just committed by failing to help displaced war refugees, and instead now helps their aggressors.
Anyone with a shred of humanity would see this as the evil bullshit it is.
Instead, you’re pointing out that a country at war needs to conscript troops. No shit. Check out how Russia is doing it, if you want a real comparison to call inhumane.
I wonder what the Ukrainian people want.
Well some want to leave, but the government isn’t allowing them to.
Why is it evil for the u.s. to send people back to a war zone but not for ukraine to keep people in a war zone?
And before you go for the whataboutism I know russia is doing it too and that’s fucked up. Fuck russia for starting this war but that doesn’t resolve the contradiction of supporting refugee rights and mandatory conscription.
Why do Ukranian people want to leave their country?
That’s unquestionably what’s causing every problem you take issue with, so why aren’t you also taking issue with that cause?
Ukrainian conscription exists because Russia invaded them.
You blame Ukraine.
The US is sending refugees they previously welcomed back into a war zone because our government is now aligned with Russias.
You blame Ukraine.
Without Russia, none of your problems with Ukraine would exist. And more importantly, all the problems you have with Ukraine are already far far worse in Russia.
It’s pretty clear you’re either arguing in bad faith because you drank too much propaganda, or you’re working for the FSB.
Eitherway, your arguments are making Russia happy. Which means history is going to make you look like the idiot you’re acting like in supporting them.
Did you read my reply?
fuck russia for starting this war
How am I blaming ukraine?
I’m pointing out a contradiction in your support for refugee rights and mandatory conscription. Instead of addressing that contradiction you seem to want to focus on russia and pretend I’m an fsb plant.
I’m not defending russia here, putin is horrible and without him none of this would happen. Now that we agree on that explain to me how your in favor of mandatory conscription and refugee rights.
The khmer rouge wouldnt have happened without u.s. meddling and bombing in Cambodia, that doesnt mean we cant criticize the horrible things they did in retaliation. Just because there’s a greater cause of something doesn’t mean we can’t debate the decisions made by those effected.
If zelensky comes out tomorrow and says this is a great move by trump because ukraine needs the manpower are you going to change your position?
Let me explain this simply so you understand the point I am making:
What would you have Ukraine do? Slow down their conscription? Stop it entirely?
Alright, heres the game theory results on how changing their conscription rates will effect this war and it’s consequences:
Outcome 1: No changes to conscription, Ukraine wins the war. Russia leaves their territory.
Result: hundreds of thousands of dead, you get to complain about how many died from conscription. Most importantly, this war doesn’t reach Europe.
Because once it does, all those images of war you’ve seen will get much much worse, and the body count much much higher.
This is the likely outcome of all our other options.
Outcome 2: Ukraine changes their conscription laws. Less are forced to enroll to defend their country. Their population is MAGNITUDES smaller than Russias, so without the broader conscription laws, they no longer have a fighting force large enough to withstand the endless wall of North Korean and Russian meat being thrown at them.
Result 2: Russia steam rolls Ukraine. Gets a foot hold on Europe. Declares war on NATO. Starts WW3 and likely the end of peace and modern civilization as we know it. Death toll in the millions, and lots of worse war pictures for you to clutch your pearls about.
But hey, Ukraine no longer exists, so you don’t have to be critical of their rough conscription laws anymore!
Outcome 3: Ukraine loses the war anyway. The above happens anyway.
Result 3: Again. No reason to be critical of their conscription laws, because they don’t exist as a country now.
Sure, it would have been nice if they had a fighting force large enough to stop Russia’s push into NATO and Europe. Especially considering the force that has historically stood up to this bullshit on the world stage, the US, has now broke bad and aligns with Russia.
Ukraine is not just defending themselves. They are defending the entirety of Europe and NATO, which is why there’s so many emergency meetings being held by both to help them.
Point being. Ukraine conscription is a necessary evil to prevent the worst outcome of Russias actions. If you want to be critical about death and war, then maybe understand how worse WW3 would make all of this, and how Ukrainian conscription is literally the biggest thing holding it back.
Because that’s how NATO and the Ukraine see it. And that’s how you should see it too. Thinking otherwise, that this isn’t a very likely threat, is to ignore the death toll that’s been rising for years.
Ukraine conscription is to prevent that death toll from being all across Europe.
I agree conscription is the reason ukraine is able to stay in this war. I disagree that them losing will mean russia will march on nato and cause ww3. Even if we take nukes out of the picture, Russia can barely beat the literal poorest country in Europe, how are they going to take on the rest of europe. Even if the u.s. doesnt help, the EU has 3 times the population of russia and 10 times the gdp. Putin knows this and isn’t going to try, he may go for the Baltics in 10 years after his military has recovered, but there’s no way he’s making it passed the bug river in the forseeable future.
Either way back to the main point, if you think the stakes are so high and that Ukrainian bodies are the only thing defending civilization from barbarism, wouldn’t you want more of those bodies in Ukraine? Wouldn’t this order help the cause of preventing ww3?
The US has the biggest military in the world followed by China. None of those are Europe.
Remember how WW2 wasn’t just Germany? How they got the help from Japan of all places because of their mutual hatred for China?
The US now hates NATO as much as Russia and is looking to leave / destroy it from within.
It doesn’t really matter if Russia is running out of troops and /equipment if their allies have more than the rest of the world combined several times over.
Russia just has to make it through Ukraine, and the rest of the bad guys in the world will unite to take Europe apart for their own gain.
It’s what happened in WW2 to keep Germany going, and it will absolutely happen again.
You’re basically acting like France in WW2. And they laughably got bulldozed simply because like you, they weren’t convinced there was a greater threat despite Poland already getting attacked. Now Ukraine is getting attacked, and you don’t seem to care why or what it motivating their assault. There is a much bigger game being played than you are refusing to understand, and your attitude of running from the bigger obvious threat to talk about trivial smaller ones that have literally no possible positive outcome is naive at best.
History repeats itself, and so do the idiots who think peace is the norm like you.
Answering your question is meaningless because you are taking sides over a drop of blood that’s holding back an ocean of it.
But to answer it regardless:
No, forcing people back into a war zone is a bad thing.
No shit.
They left Ukraine in the first place because they were either unwilling or unable to fight that war, and moving them back into a war zone they escaped is beyond cruel. To that point - they are NOT being forced to return by Ukraine or Zelensky. Rather by Russia’s ally, the US.
They left because they wouldn’t or couldn’t help the war, so their forced participation in it by the US likely won’t help much.
It would be nice if you cared more about the obvious growing threat to the world, rather than how the only people fighting it are somehow not doing it to your taste.
Unless you like the taste of blood, you better hope they fucking win.
Especially the ones misplaced to the US by a war Russia started, and now have to return to a war zone because the USA is now politically aligned with Russia, and willing to break international treaties, law, and ethics if it gets them Putins favor.
You’re an absolute idiot it you can’t comprehend the international seppuku the USA has just committed by failing to help displaced war refugees, and instead now helps their aggressors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_conscription_crisis
Ukraine government is drafting people by force and not allowing any male between 18-60 from leaving the country. Many people have died trying to flee the country.
“Anyone with a shred of humanity would see this as the evil bullshit it is.”
My dude. So you understand what a war is and how it works?
Do you understand how Russia has done the same?
Do you understand how 500,000 Russians are now dead because of that?
Do you understand that those 500,000 dead Russians are invading a country they promised peace with in 1995?
Do you ultimately understand the point you are making is about how the citizens of the Ukraine are being forced by Russia to either fight for their country or die?
Because that is the policy you are defending despite it clearly being the reason there’s 500,000 dead Russians and not the other way around.
If you want to decry military enlistment as “evil” then you are by far picking the worst example. Russia is far worse in their policies, with a far higher body count, and they are the reason anyone is dying at all.
Which means you are either making your arguments out of bad faith or pure stupidity.
If your argument was made in WW2 it would be about how evil the US is for defending Pearl Harbor.
My dude. So you understand what a war is and how it works?
Do you? Have you seen the footage of this war and see what’s going on?
Do you understand how Russia has done the same?
Do you understand that drafting people by force like russia is doing is bad?
Do you understand how 500,000 Russians are now dead because of that?
Do you understand that bragging about 500.000 dead people is not a good thing?
Do you understand that those 500,000 dead Russians are invading a country they promised peace with in 1995?
Do you understand that a good amount of these 500.000 got drafted by force and ordered by the government to invade another country?
Do you ultimately understand the point you are making is about how the citizens of the Ukraine are being forced by Russia to either fight for their country or die?
That’s not the point i’m making. Ukraine government isn’t allowing any males between 18-60 from leaving the country, they are forcing them to fight or to stay there and possibly die.
Which means you are either making your arguments out of bad faith or pure stupidity.
Do you understand that by defending forced conscription and authoritarian laws you are playing russian government game too?
If your argument was made in WW2 it would be about how evil the US is for defending Pearl Harbor.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/emma-goldman-preparedness-the-road-to-universal-slaughter
Let me explain this simply so you understand the point I am making:
What would you have Ukraine do? Slow down their conscription? Stop it entirely?
Alright, heres the game theory results on how changing their conscription rates will effect this war and it’s consequences:
Outcome 1: No changes to conscription, Ukraine wins the war. Russia leaves their territory.
Result: hundreds of thousands of dead, you get to complain about how many died from conscription. Most importantly, this war doesn’t reach Europe.
Because once it does, all those images of war you’ve seen will get much much worse, and the body count much much higher.
This is the likely outcome of all our other options.
Outcome 2: Ukraine changes their conscription laws. Less are forced to enroll to defend their country. Their population is MAGNITUDES smaller than Russias, so without the broader conscription laws, they no longer have a fighting force large enough to withstand the endless wall of North Korean and Russian meat being thrown at them.
Result 2: Russia steam rolls Ukraine. Gets a foot hold on Europe. Declares war on NATO. Starts WW3 and likely the end of peace and modern civilization as we know it. Death toll in the millions, and lots of worse war pictures for you to clutch your pearls about.
But hey, Ukraine no longer exists, so you don’t have to be critical of their rough conscription laws anymore!
Outcome 3: Ukraine loses the war anyway. The above happens anyway.
Result 3: Again. No reason to be critical of their conscription laws, because they don’t exist as a country now.
Sure, it would have been nice if they had a fighting force large enough to stop Russia’s push into NATO and Europe. Especially considering the force that has historically stood up to this bullshit on the world stage, the US, has now broke bad and aligns with Russia.
Ukraine is not just defending themselves. They are defending the entirety of Europe and NATO, which is why there’s so many emergency meetings being held to by both to help them.
Point being. Ukraine conscription is a necessary evil to prevent the worst outcome of Russias actions. If you want to be critical about death and war, then maybe understand how worse WW3 would make all of this, and how Ukrainian conscription is literally the biggest thing holding it back.
Because that’s how NATO and the Ukraine see it. And that’s how you should see it too. Thinking otherwise, that this isn’t a very likely threat, is to ignore all the images of war you want me to look at.
Ukraine conscription is to prevent those images from being all across Europe.
If you are concerned with this war reaching europe and are so favorable of forced conscription pack your bags and go to the front. You are talking about ukrainians as if they were chess pawns.
I’m talking about them like the heroes holding back WW3 that they are. What’s your excuse?
I’m already doing my part to try and unfuck the US from aligning with Putin to pick the corpse of Europe clean when they’re done with it.
If I fight in this war, it will be to take my country back from the Russian bullshit that’s taken it over.
Russia is doing the same across all western countries and elections. They are in an active war with Ukraine at Europe’s footsteps, and NATO is on the verge of collapse because of the US’s withdrawal after aligning with Putin.
You are naive to believe Russia will stop there after weakening everything protecting Europe.
You are no different than everyone who thought Hitler would just magically stop after Poland
Sometimes I feel like I was the only one who remembered that this is what it was like the last time he was in office. Just every day some fresh hell, like a treadmill of anger and grief until the only real reason to protest is so that they don’t drive you permanently numb.
The scope of this new order is hard to contemplate. 0.77 million people who are being shown the door today. Our colossus is in need of a new credo.
“Give me your billionaires, your oligarchs, Your hunched war criminals yearning for the Lolita Express, The wretched refuse of your banking sectors. Send these, the landlords, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden arches!"
Edit to add: I know that it is currently only a plan. I do not need to bicker with anyone about this.
Im not American so I probably didn’t see a lot of this but my lasting impression was a lot of blustering and shit slinging but no real action or substance. Like everything he tried or promised either didn’t get done or was half arsed. Basically i saw it as incompetence and damage through inaction rather than the malicious active damage he is doing now.
That’s because the first term was to prepare
The first term, the Democrats controlled at least one branch of government.
And the courts were partly sane
He did a huge amount of harm to our government. Not quite like this time, where most of what he is doing is outright illegal and is essentially a soft coup, but really bad nonetheless - just mostly aimed at making him money and getting/keeping political power instead of destryoying the country. Much of that was outright illegal, but a lot of it was just breaches of “norms” and “decorum”.
I literally can’t fit it all into one comment, its so much and such a convoluted web of schemes and lies and crimes and support from other politicians/lawyers/the media. And every day was something new. I followed all the legal cases relating to his admin back in the first term - it was hard to keep up with even while it was all happening. Much of the reason he was never charged or indicted for so much of what he did is that you can’t criminally indict a sitting president.
The Mueller investigation into the Trump administration’s conduct with Russian political operatives found that he more than likely illegally colluded with Russia to the detriment of the US and to defraud and disenfranchise voters, but literally couldn’t charge Trump since he was a sitting president - hoping instead that someone would pick up the investigation when he could be charged. It is notable that that investigation produced 37 indictments and 7 convictions/guilty pleas, referred 14 more cases to DoJ for prosecution, and recovered like $48M in misappropriated government funds (the investigation cost $32M, so it was actually profitable). So, this investigation couldn’t prosecute Trump, but 34 people in his administration were indicted and the findings of the report suggested they would have prosecuted Trump if they were legally allowed to. That says all you need to know, IMO.
This becomes what russian hegemonic law looks like in the US. The DOJ does whatever the Kremlin wants or needs on this, a sharp departure from other administrations or even other jurisdictions such as blue states. We become a patchwork of neomedieval geoplitical clashes constantly caught in between the jurisprudential spheres of entirely conflicting global and financial agendas. Individual politicians and public servants serving throughout the government become agents of different global factions and different hegemonies and the people are continually subjected not just to unstable and unreliable patterns of legal text and texts indicating some kind of public policy but to endlessly shifting pretext of every type to the jurisprudence and statecraft themselves. The federal government has been collapsing for a while but this just makes it faster than it has been.
Not being able to indict a sitting president is the biggest bullshit policy of all time. Nobody should be above the law, especially the people in power.
It was also only based upon a DOJ memo of some sorts for a long time. The “Supreme Court”'s recent decision though makes it seem like the only legal remedy for an active criminal president is to impeach and then convict and remove them first.
It drove me crazy how much people acted like the Mueller investigation exonerated Trump completely. It absolutely did not and everyone just dropped the topic after it came out. Even Rachel Maddow who seemed to be desperately chasing her Woodward and Bernstein moment with her coverage of the investigation seemed to stop talking about the investigation as soon as the report came out as if there wasn’t anything to talk about, even though a bunch of Trump allies were charged and convicted for engaging in secret dealings with agents related to Russia.
MSNBC at the end of the day is a for-profit business.
But the powerful people behind the scenes who are using him as a figurehead learned a lot from his first term and have been developing their plans for years since then. Biden winning a term just gave them more time to work on it. Though there’s still chaos like last time (so we don’t pay attention to the Project 2025 actions ), we see the lightning-fast implementation of their agenda from Day One: Schedule F (getting rid of civil service workers to be replaced with loyalists), firing the inspectors general to remove a major obstacle to implementing, the rash of executive orders for everything from the shibboleth “Gulf of America” to declaring a national state of emergency to clear the way for everything else. Trump’s impulsivity can sometimes get in the way, but he’s otherwise the perfect figurehead because he also agrees with the agenda.
Yeah, his first time around there were people who kept his worst ideas from being realized and drove away the worst of his associates. This time around those people are gone and he is surrounded by those associates and even worse people like Musk.
I remember stories from Trump’s first term about how his handlers had to babysit him and do things like hide his rough drafts of orders planning to go to war (he’d calm down and forget about them by the next day). It reminds me of the (hopefully apocryphal) story of how Nixon had to be lead to bed when he got roaring drunk and started threatening to nuke North Korea.
The staffers also preserved the documents he (illegally) shredded as a matter of habit, so scholars will hopefully be able to piece together what was going on in that hot mess someday.
None of those handlers are there this term. Trump spent the four years since his first term campaigning and gathering a crew of sycophantic parasites to do his bidding, and we have no view into what’s going on behind closed doors. The “checks and balances” every American was taught about as a child seem to be doing nothing, with him flagrantly ignoring them without reprisal.
I hope the US gets out of this as an intact democracy and without alienating every single ally in existence. People here don’t seem to realize how bad an antagonistic America would be - they have the military and logistics to take on half the world without nukes, and Trump has been very open (almost giddy) about his willingness to use those.
And a civil war would be worse since the government is wholly controlled by what most
wouldshould consider the bad guys and the military is trained to follow the chain of command, and Trump is openly purging top officials and replacing them with loyalists.Ugh, sorry for the rant. The last decade has been exhausting.
I hope the US gets out of this as an intact democracy and without alienating every single ally in existence.
It’s about 50/50 whether the US will be able to maintain any semblance of democracy.
The alliances are effectively dead already. Dropping military support to a country during an active war is a huge no-no. No one will ever trust the US ever again. It doesn’t matter if there’s a Democrat president in 2029, no one can trust the American people to not vote in a betrayer like Trump again. The first time Trump was president, it was like “they didn’t know who they were voting for.” Just a bump in the road of democracy. This time, Americans knew what they were voting for.
And we talk to Americans on the internet, we know that Americans don’t respect their allies. The soldiers of allied countries that sacrificed everything in Afghanistan and Iraq doesn’t even register with most Americans. There is too little sense of honour in the American population. Americans only care about money now, and that’s not a motivation that can be trusted by anyone.
Sorry, but Americans are too untrustworthy for meaningful alliances to be possible.
And we talk to Americans on the internet, we know that Americans don’t respect their allies. The soldiers of allied countries that sacrificed everything in Afghanistan and Iraq doesn’t even register with most Americans. There is too little sense of honour in the American population. Americans only care about money now, and that’s not a motivation that can be trusted by anyone.
I agree that how the US treated its allies is abominable (our abandonment of local guides and translators, who were promised a place in America for risking the lives of themselves and their families, to be murdered by the Taliban/ISIS should be prosecuted as a crime - not to mention the minorities left to die to appease larger powers, such as the Kurds, Armenians, and now Ukrainians). However, most Americans don’t know about any of this.
Most Americans are living in a bubble that hides or vastly distorts anything outside of it. Our media is hyper-focused on a narrow band of issues that gets guaranteed views (mostly culture wars that said media invented or spread in the first place) and only pays lip service to anything outside of that. For many, “news” means pithy one-liners and relentless attacks on the other side. They’re told some minor issue is the single most important thing right now and are so whipped up they don’t look outside to see the world is burning. The right-wing media is an endless parade of hate, while the left complains about said right while offering no solutions. Neutral media is a joke, and foreign news has no foothold outside individual posts being shared if they agree with a person’s existing position. Major news gets cycled out after mere days and is quickly buried by the next meaningless story. It’s a constant cavalcade of worthless noise that obscures any actual reporting.
If America could somehow shrug off the 24-jour news hype cycle and see what’s actually happening in the world, I think you’d find there’s a great deal of empathy in the populace - it’d be hard to stir up an audience if they didn’t care about something. Sadly, I can’t see such a thing ever happening - the biggest shakeup in news this decade was Fox being called “woke” and what was once tabloid trash becoming accepted sources amongst the right, even getting dedicated reporting positions in the government while traditional media was kicked out. So if anything it’s only going to get worse, with the addiction to drama and outrage leading half the country even further into isolation and delusion.
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You are partially right. For US Presidents, implementing policy is much harder than declaring it, something IIRC Bush and Obama echoed.
But on top of that, Trump had a lot of guardrails in the first term, a lot of old school Republicans and “regular” cabinet that watered down whatever ideas he had.
That is no longer the case. It’s only loyalists egging each other on now. And there’s already a lot more bite, it’s just so much that it’s hard to process.
Sometimes I feel like I was the only one who remembered that this is what it was like the last time he was in office
I feel like it’s worse this time. Darker. We didn’t have the Ukraine or Israeli war. We didn’t have perverse AI videos like the Gaza video with a giant golden Trump statue.
2016 was the rise of Trump. Right now we are in the age of Trump. Trump is steadily increasing his power and I believe fairly soon he will be able to more or less unilaterally control the federal government as he continues his purges.
It’s far, far worse this time.
Last go around sure, there would be a fucked up tweet almost every day, but much fewer actual changes. Yeah Trump did some fucked up shit over those 4 years, but he’s done more fucked up shit in the last month than in that whole term.
Yeah his first term was mind-melting, nonstop nonsense. Same again now but even worse. I can’t believe people are so easily capable of forgetting.
What really pisses me off is all the newspapers that have acted like he wasn’t president for four years. As if there isn’t already examples of how the guy acts.
Constant sane washing, I think it’s like human nature for people to try and help and improve other peoples faults, even subconsciously, and they help him along in small ways and we all suffer for it. He’s just evil and terrible. Say it, all media. He’s evil and terrible, it’s a fact.
Or decades of behavior before that. Fun fact, he was denied a permit to open a casino in Australia due to his clear ties to Russian organized crime* - in 1987.
* For those unfamiliar, Russian organized crime is deeply entrenched with the actual Russian government - hence the term “Mafia State”.
That is a large amount of people being sent back to a country where there is a good possibility that they will be killed. The country that is throwing them out (the US) has a lot of sympathetic people to their cause…and a lot of easily accessible guns.
Golden Arches works, but now we can use Golden Dome too.
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Reuters?? An international news organisation that operates in more than 150 countries and that reports with almost emotionless reporting just based on facts? They are making up lies for hatred points? Are you also going to try to convince us they employ reptilians?
Ah yes, because what Trump lacks are valid reasons to hate him 🤡
Article talks about how Trump will make the decision soon not that he already has revoked their status. A little sensational in the title but I won’t be holding out hope that Trump keeps them here 😔.
He has a pattern of making statements like these as test balloons, to gauge public sentiment. Sometimes he’ll back off if the backlash is big enough, thinking it makes him look magnanimous or something to not commit atrocities after all.
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You want to talk of insurrection? We Americans have the FBI and NSA to worry about, so don’t count on hearing about partisan activity before it actually happens.
They’re more than likely in disarray right now because of all the mass firings and various insanity going on at the top of those departments.
Positives, people!
“This is evil”
Stephen Miller has entered the chat.
If you don’t have one, MAKE ONE.
Also, individuals can do a lot more than you think
Just ask the fucking Canadians, they have all the answers on what we SHOULD do.
No answers, but I for one might just have an idea of what you could do.
Not that it helps organize, but I also work at a custom AR shop, if lemmings have questions about firearms I’d be happy to assist.
Maybe he’s been told Melania is ukranian…
WHAT THE FUCK. That is all
Melania’s getting nervous is what I hear. A lot of very young and capable americans out there.
It’s fascism by ethnic cleansing. Expect a looooooot more. The pedo wants a 3rd world war and it will happen. He’s starting by Canada because he thinks it’s an easy target, but also because it’s the perfect battleground to display his army’s power. Unfortunately, americans are too lazy and under-educated to do anything about it so expect a lot of blood and a lot of fat-ass patriotism because “war time”. But in the end, only the rich assholes will be protected because capitalism gave them the control on everything, think gafam. Good job USA, you ruined the world, fuck you.
Personally, I’d expect Mexico to be first considering Trump had sent in elements of 2nd Stryker Brigade Combat Team, 3rd Combat Aviation Brigade, and additional support units which includes elements of 82nd ABN DIV, 101st ABN DIV, 4th ID, and 10th Mountain Brigade to the southern border a couple days ago.
Additional units albeit National Guard are being prepared to be deployed such as the 36th ID, 1st Squadron, and 124th CAV REG.
Nah, first they take Greenland then they take Canada.
they got thier places like NEW ZEALAND TO flee too, NZ should really revoke those citizenship from people like thiel, he is building a complex there to hide from where all the shit hits the fan.
Make America satanic again.
