U.S. President Donald Trump has ordered a suspension of all military aid to Ukraine, escalating pressure on President Volodymyr Zelensky mere days after a heated exchange in the Oval Office cast doubt on U.S. support for Kyiv.
A senior Defense Department official told Bloomberg that all U.S. military assistance to Ukraine is on hold until Trump determines that Ukrainian leaders are making a genuine effort toward peace.
The pause affects not only future aid but also weapons already in transit, including shipments on aircraft and ships, as well as equipment awaiting transfer in Poland.
Edit: changed source from Bloomberg to Kyiv Independent b/c there’s no paywall and more detail in the story.
The US wouldn’t stop military aid to Israel while the IDF destroyed hospitals and killed children and journalists among many other war crimes. They will freeze aid to Ukraine as it defends itself in a war of conquest. Evidence suggests the USA would rather align with criminals like Putin and Netanyahu than war victims.
That really is a stark contrast. What do the apologetics say about this?
Probably “we won, you lost, get over it” as if that’s how any of this works.
They won, all lost
In my limited exposure to the ramblings of conservative acquaintances, they now consider Zelensky to be a “little dictator” who was rude to their favorite douches.
Regarding Israel, I think it’s something along the lines of “judeo-christian values” good, brown savages bad, and OH LOOK SOMETHING SHINY!! Sorry, you were saying?
Poland, it’d be really cool if you all “lost track” of those shipments.
All the military equipment in the world can’t make up for their recruitment and morale problems.
It’s just reality, regardless of what’s upvoted on these forums.
Who had ‘Trump Picks a Fight With Zelenskyy In Order To Justify Pulling out Of Aid Agreements- Thereby Allowing Russia To Walk On In And Take What They Want’ on their bingo card?
We all saw this coming, right? The whole bullshit forced argument he created… Tell me I’m not the only one that knew this was set-up to justify withdrawing all support and letting Russia have Ukraine.
Isn’t this more or less what T-bag said he would do?
You don’t know that, and I’m skeptical that Trump would go to that much trouble to come up with an excuse. He hasn’t needed an excuse to do anything else he’s been doing.
What I would expect Trump to do is just pull support and if anybody asks him why, say loudly “America First!!!”
It’s exactly how trump operates. See the threat he posted this morning to block federal funding to universities that “let students protest” - he’s going to block funding anyway, he just needs a plausible way to blame them for it.
Same thing here - a plausible way to blame Ukraine for withdrawing US support.
Plausible to maga anyway.
Doesn’t really matter most European tech is way ahead of the US anyway, it’s just they the US pay stupid amounts to their own companies. I kinda feel most US tech is a super expensive in comparison honestly.
I feel a cupholder on a US jet would be valued at something like 50,000. I’d honestly be really curious how a Rafale fared against say a f-35 I suspect it would win
My suspicion is an European jets would own and devestate an American ones while being a small fraction of the price.
Yes I am honestly saying while America spends stupid amount off Defense they don’t hold the slightest advantage tech wise.
In that specific match up the F-35 would win the majority of the time. The Rafale would win when it was able to get inside the F-35’s missiles. The problem is a modern fighter versus fighter engagement starts with long range missiles launches. So the side that sees first launches first. Then they go into tight S turns to keep radar tracking on their missiles while maintaining range. At some point the enemy also acquires them on radar and does the same thing. They will keep doing this until the enemy missiles reach a minimum distance and they will dive and turn away with chaff. This breaks the radar link but you’re hoping the missiles are close enough to acquire targets on their own. So the side that sees the other one first and launches first, even by a few seconds gains a massive advantage. That’s what stealth tech is about.
Now that said, there is a Euro stealth fighter in the works, but it’s not expected until 2040.
to add in, european scientists often move to US for more income, i see the reverse happening down the line, fleeing back to thier countries. the only reason why us tech is ahead because scientists from other countries are moving here.
The U.S. Military and the CIA must know what a threat to the country Trump is, right?
…right?
He’s a threat for the people not for the government or he wouldn’t be the ceo.
What a fucking nonsensical comment
You gotta go for quality over quantity if you really want to impress the handlers 😉
What a fucking nonsensical comment
same for yours
As far as I’m aware, the military, in the best case, will simply refuse to follow unlawful orders. There are formal processes to do so. That’s part of military culture and law. Whether that system will hold up to Trump is unknown. When he issues unlawful orders, will soldiers simply refuse to comply? Unknown.
But one thing is for sure. It’s not part of military culture to actively resist. There is no formal process for that to be protected or OK. That’s simply insurrection and rebellion.
Dictators fear military coups, that’s why people like Putin keeps them weak and fighting themselves
I don’t think it’s insurrection when our president is actively selling out our country to a hostile foreign power.
It’s up to the man on the street to take action.
If… Let’s say if… It’ll take some planning, they wouldn’t just do it willy nilly they gotta plan the hit, find the right assets, find the right areas, research, etc. it takes a lot of work to whack somebody it’s not like The Sopranos or anything.
Have you seen some of the shit they tried for Castro!?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro
Yeah it’s fucking wild the efforts they go through. Even if it’s as discreet as a walk-by in a parking garage with a suppressed pistol or strangled in a car, there will be at least 10 people doing different jobs with zero knowledge of what the others are doing or what the end goal is, all doing a very simple task that any normal person could do with probable ignorance. Real life examples of how the mafia do hits are really intricate: You pay one guy to flatten a tire, you pay another guy to drive the tow truck, you pay another guy to ask them for directions to delay them a bit, you pay another guy to be an uber or taxi driver, you pay another guy to receive where the taxi/uber is going, this is all after paying probably a few other dudes to study their schedule and the schedule of their visitors/guests, pay another dude to get keep their neighbor or something distracted, pay another dude to take the shot and dip (source: I know a guy who knows a guy who knows another guy). It’s very expensive and time consuming, that’s why organized hits don’t happen a lot it’s gotta be worth the investment. This would be much harder to pull off against someone with 24/7 secret service guard, but the CIA/FBI/Police are pros at pulling shit off like this.
Very detailed. Are you, by any chance, a mob boss or their accountant?
Sometimes I wish the US were what tankies say it is.
You wish the US to be a genocidal empire? poof nothing’s changed
I’m pretty sure Trump has proven every single tankie argument about the US.
Except that whole thing about Dems being just as bad, which is like 90% of tankie arguments about the US.
Trump treats white people like Obama treated Arabs.
It’s funny how much the tankies have in common with the liberal socialists. If only they weren’t so darn argumentative.
What do you mean? Trump is an asset of the ruling class.
Rich people in the nation have literally nothing to fear while he’s in office, so we shouldn’t expect the military or any 3-letter agencies to do anything about it.
“Do you solemnly swear that you will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic ;that you will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that you take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that you will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which you are about to enter: So help you God?”
I don’t know that the CIA has ever given a shit about the United States.
Hell H.W. Bush was the son of a man that tried to overthrow the government and Ford appointed him to CIA director in the 70s.
Edit: I was wrong HW was at the CIA the year after the Church Committee.
Given how big a security leak the dipshit is, and he already got a ton of their agents in the field killed the first time around, it’s not so much them caring about the US, but then seeing a threat to their own power.
Now that I would believe
The military that he just dismissed the leadership of and replaced with his own people, and the CIA that’s directed by his people?
Yep. Those ones. And the ones loyal to them.
his own people,
of which are wildly incompetent
And the competent ones (as in the ones with experience at creation local militias and terrorist organizations) are gonna be out there creating the resistance.
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Here’s the pickle though. Wouldn’t it be reasonable if another administration get in power and then need to purge all these positions of pro trump people?
Like what happens next? it’s such a bleak world now.
They don’t intend for there to be a “next” administration.
Wouldn’t it be reasonable if another administration get in power and then need to purge all these positions of pro trump people?
Oh no! You have a great point for horror fans there.
I’d even say, it probably is somewhat necessary in order to resume administration. What a beautiful, postfactual dilemma:
The Reps fear an ideological, systemic witch hunt, which they use as an excuse to replace government workers. The new workers are ideologically aligned with the Reps, encouraged to assist the dismantling of non-Rep institutions and carry out the King’s will above and beyond the law.
Now when votes swing the other way, the new administration kind of has to revert some of this damage to assume functioning.
Which is where the circle closes; the prophecy fulfills itself. Now the Reps have evidence for their previously baseless claims. The whole system is locked in a back-and-forth mud wrestling of replacing workers based on ideology.
That’s the problem with the two-party system in the USA, in a full democracy this dynamic wouldn’t happen. This is the achilles heel of american democracy and the downfall seems to have begun.
We really needed something more akin to coalitions
But the deep state!
This is what got him impeached the first time, right?
Yup, although that’s not going to happen this time around.
Kind of. Last time he was trying to get them to say they were investigating Hunter Biden, so somethithathat would more directly benefit himself. This time I guess he wants the US to have the rights to all their minerals, which I don’t even understand how that would work, but I guess that could be seen as benefitting the US if you’re a total psychopath.
How much more do we have to witness before we accept, as a society, that Donald Trump and the GOP are enemies of the United States of America, and act accordingly?
We are suffering and losing our position as a world leader because of a felon rapist traitor. When are we going to stop this?
- Joining and organizing within your local community to create connections with others is incredibly powerful, will lay the groundwork for effective resistance.
- We can effect things drastically with a general strike. This can massively impact their income streams, and can bring a government to its knees if done on a large enough scale.
- Join the IWW and attempt to unionize your workplace, so that the general strike is even more effective.
If we put in the work, we can resist this and we can win. Join up with allies while we still can easily!
When are we going to stop this?
When congress starts impeachment proceedings. Call your representatives. Listening you complain is their job.
Didn’t you guys try that before?
You can be impeached more than once. I think this would be his third time.
Yep that’s my point
It sounded like you were saying “You already impeached him, and he’s still president (so impeaching him again is a waste of time)”, but I could’ve misread you.
That is also my point. Don’t worry though, you keep impeaching him until he dissolves congress.
You’re response being ‘yeah but you can be impeached multiple times’ exactly demonstrates the weakness of that action.
What do you think “impeachment” is? That’s like saying “You can’t sue him a third time. You already sued him twice, and nothing happened.”
Have you decided what means are acceptable for resistance for yourself yet
Ohhhh man we’re gonna primary them so hard.
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until Trump determines that Ukrainian leaders are making a genuine effort toward peace.
They are literally shooting every Russian they spot on their soil, how is that not making a genuine effort toward peace?
He means “capitulate to the enemy”
They are literally shooting every Russian they spot on their soil
There are 8 millions russian speakers living in ukraine i hope these don’t count as “russian”
Only the Russian imperial narrative is so that Russians speaking people are considered Russians. There are Russian speaking people in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine and in many -Stans, they are not Russians.
Not a very useful remark. The Ukrainian army is full of Russians speaking people.
There are ethnic russians there. What i’m pointing out is that “shooting every russian they spot” sounds racist.
I saw you around, and I know also you are Italian, so I will tell you in a way you understand. You are being a “puntalcazzista” to throw shade on Ukraine with vague racism claims. Anybody with a pulse will understand that “shooting every Russian on the spot” means “shooting every invader”, and that roughly would include also north Koreans or other ethnicities, should those set foot in Ukraine to assist Russian invasion. You are trying to claim an interpretation that doesn’t make sense, because - as I told you and you can easily verify - the Ukrainian army itself is full of Russian speaking people, who you might call “ethnic Russian” - whatever you think that means. So unless you are honestly suggesting that OP was suggesting Ukrainian army is also shooting on the spot to members of its own army, we both know what you are doing.
I saw you around, and I know also you are Italian, so I will tell you in a way you understand. You are being a “puntalcazzista” to throw shade on Ukraine with vague racism claims. Anybody with a pulse will understand that “shooting every Russian on the spot” means “shooting every invader”
You must be new here, people have been racist toward russians for a good time.
https://sh.itjust.works/post/27157199
How exactly i’m throwing shade on ukraine by pointing out a racist generalization in comment?
You’re either not understanding the intent of their message or you’re willfully twisting it.
That’s what is being pointed out.
They’re clearly referencing the invaders, you misunderstood and took umbrage where you didn’t need to. Having been corrected you’re still pushing the idea that they were being racist.
You’re acting in bad faith.
You’re either not understanding the intent of their message or you’re willfully twisting it.
How i’m twisting anything? To me it looks like you are try to twist things here accusing me of being in bad faith when i simply pointed out yet another discrimination against “russians” as if they were all bad. Are you aware that there are russian people living in ukraine?
I am not new, but I have a skill that you might find useful, it’s called “context”.
racist generalization in comment?
Because there is no any racial generalization. From the context it was clear to anybody who is in good faith what OP meant. Even if it wasn’t, OP comment was a statement on what is happening, so your remark “I hope they don’t…” doesn’t make any fucking sense, because you can just check what they are doing. Currently Russians in Ukraine that are being shot are invading troops.
So let’s make a parallel. “Partisans were shooting germans”, in the context of Italian resistance. Do you think it’s a racist remark? Would you feel the need to say " oh boy, I hope they don’t shoot German civilians", “oh, there are ethnical Germans in the north, I hope they are not shooting them”. No you wouldn’t, because what you are doing is not in good faith, you are not raising any valid concern, you are just purposefully misunderstanding OP to stir shit.
partisans were shooting germans troops, soldiers or the nazi they weren’t “shooting every german on the spot"
Are they wearing a Russian military uniform? Then they are an enemy combatant.
It’s really not that hard, dude.
Not every russian is wearing one
Ok? Ukraine is obviously not targeting civilians in their drone strikes so your point is completely moot.
Let’s hope they aren’t
I hope every English sepaker doesn’t count as “English”. Wouldn’t want to have a king.
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Don’t get confused, ukraine and russia share a border there are many ukrainians living in russia and vice versa
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Context clues, my friend.
That post is clearly referring to shooting Russian soldiers that have invaded.
And just to help you further, the adjective “Russian” in that sentence refers to the state for which the soldiers fight. So a “Russian soldier” could be some poor dude from North Korea who got shipped over.
To further aid understanding, look at the military of a diverse place like the United States. You will have “American soldiers” working side by side who have different ethnic backgrounds and were even born on other continents.
If USA were to invade mexico and someone would come up with the quote “they are literally shooting every american they spot on their soil” wouldn’t it sound odd?
No.
Only if you ignore the context.
If I said “Mexico isn’t even trying to end this war” and you said “they are literally shooting every American that steps across the border!” it would not sound odd at all.
And it certainly wouldn’t sound bigoted against an ethnicity.
Any suggestions on what to do with my retirement? How to get it out? Where to put it?
If the stock market crashes and doesn’t recover, that money will be worthless regardless of where you store it.
Gold it is then
Might want to wait till the fort Knox audit. Might turn out the gold you buy doesn’t exist :p
Trump will say it doesn’t exist to push more crypto for another pump and dump.
Orange piece of shit does what? Oh yeah… orange piece of shit stuff.
Is there a historical precedent for punishing the defender for daring to resist invasion by a third country?
Economic sanctions on the early RSFSR after the Bolsheviks defeated the English, French, Italian, USA coalition that invaded them in the Russian Civil War.
Does it matter at all? Trump is compromised and is actively working for Putin. This is transparent and not being denied. Is there precedent for a puppet to do whatever he’s told by his master? Yes, lots.
Let’s be very clear, it’s not just Trump, but the ENTIRE GOD DAMN administration that has been, and is, being put into place. Hegseth already told our intelligence teams to stop looking into Russia.
If Trump was luigied tomorrow, an entire government is now in place to allow whatever they want to happen, to happen. It wouldn’t even matter if he was gone.
I think a lot of the problems with the current administration wouldn’t change if Trump was Luigied. Dismantling our federal institutions, consolidating power in the executive branch, stripping away human rights - all those things would continue.
However, I think that the support for Putin nearly exclusively comes from Trump himself.
It is being denied. Had some chud on here mocking me the other day (at about a 4th grade writing level) for saying as much.
Is it a third country if the one punishing is a proxy of said country?
The peace agreement between Napoleon and Austria included Napoleon taking independent (but in the coalition) Venice.
It was kind of an awful elitist place but it was also the oldest democracy in the world at the time. Napoleon destroyed that, and all the monestaries. You can see the ruins of them around the lagoon if you visit.
Finland had to accept responsibility for being invaded by Russia. Also, they had to give away land mass that Russia failed to grab. Also, they had to give up some sovereignty. Also, they had to pay ginormous reparations and sign deals to buy army stuff from Russia.
Nice army stuff, though. I’ve been in a 1995 KRAZ with a wood frame for the driver. Also they don’t have a tap for draining motor oil, because who would expect them yo return from the frontlines?
Yeah that shit happens all the time throughout history, actually. Especially when colonized countries dared to fight back against colonizers.
Palestine. Maybe not successfully, but note that the idea that Palestinians have the same natural right to armed self defense as any other group is completely absent from mainstream political discourse. Most simply cannot even comprehend that the Palestinians should have just as much right to kill to defend themselves as Israelis do. Partly this is due to colonialism. Part of it is classism. The violence of the Israelis is clean and high tech. The violence of the Palestinians is crude and performed with simple weapons. We judge the morality of violence based upon the wealth of the people committing the violence.
No, you don’t get it. These Palestinian kids are brainwashed from birth to hate Israel and the Jewish peoples. They have school books that teach them to hate Israelis and Israel.
/s but sadly not because the above is something I literally heard around me for years. I believed it until I met someone from Palestine who explained yes those books do exist and they are called history books.
Gaza
I kinda wonder what people in the 3 letter agencies are thinking right now. I would hope that enough of these agencies actually view Trump as a fundamental threat to democracy, because he actually is. People have warned for this to happen, for a while now, even though many are surprised at the speed at which it happens. But still, you would kind of hope for some of these agencies to actually stand for the constitution, instead of for the ruling party and his current president.
The US is so much more than just the current political ruling class. It’s sad that there seems at least, to be so little visible opposition to their efforts to derail the US geopolitical power and to overthrow the system of law and order. One who the Republicans should hold deep, and definitely the people who pledge their allegiance to the constitution. I wonder if it would have gone different if someone like Saunders or Obama would have tried a similar play.
the modern cia couldnt assassinate their way out of a cardboard bag
Derailing US political power is a good thing. Not good for the US, but good for the world.
Giving russia more power won’t be any better for the world at large.
We will see. Pax Americana has been a hugely stabilizing force in many regions around the world. If an empire falls, fighting over the power vacuum commences. Empires get replaced by chaos and eventually other empires.
Are we also derailing Chinese and Russian power, and magically disarming all the nukes? Or are we just shitting on America and hoping nobody realizes that means there’s going to be a power vacuum?
The three letter agencies haven’t ever really been known for their respect of the constitution 😅…
