The title’s a bit disingenuous, I know: this didn’t come out of nowhere. White supremacism is as American as Manifest Destiny and has been heavily intertwined with Nazism from its inception. That overlap with the Republican party, and their gradual slip into the extreme far-right, is evident.
But Seig Heils? Even the most dense among them must know that blatant Nazism hurts their legitimacy in the eyes of the public, even among MAGATs (as is evident right now if you peek at their echo chamber on Reddit). Surely they would have a much easier time pushing their rhetoric and establishing their agenda by keeping a purposeful distance from that sort of indefensible imagery and symbolism. How do they expect to keep cohesion in the military when you imply to the soldiers that they are Nazis now, seig heils and all.
Why Nazis?
Any theories as to where this is coming from? Follow the ketamine-fueled leader? A directive for operative Krasnov, from Putin himself, to implode the country? True Nazi beliefs among the Heritage Foundation, Proud Boys, etc? I just don’t understand how they thought this would fly. I don’t understand anything anymore lol.
Someone that bought his place at the white house did it and didn’t get shot by a flamethrower, so all the Nazis hiding literally just below the surface feel ok to talk a little louder now.
Honestly, with sufficient evidence it should be legal to kill them in public and receive any inheritance from their wills. I don’t typically enjoy personally hunting people down typically, but these aren’t people.
One comment blatantly in favor of it Goodies any human rights in my opinion. It’s the only way. They may say it too (vermin, poisoning the blood, etc) but they’ve only ever been right about themselves.
I would give a pedo human rights before them. And that’s saying something.
They’re just rabid animals, and I defy anyone to give a reason they deserve a single second of life at all, for any reason, in any context. Maybe with the one exception of using them to find gatherings of others. But that’s it.
Dehumanization is always a bad idea.
You right. I shouldn’t have been commenting shit yesterday. I’m honestly not like that, I just let this news vortex get in my head and I boil over sometimes.
They’re such an easy target to get righteous anger over. Part of be realized it even as I typed it, but I should’ve just deleted it like you would trash a handwritten note just to get it out of your system.
Right Wing did deluded me for years (almost at 10 years since I started leaving that culture behind). Nazis kinda combine the hatred I have for them specifically and lately it’s combined with my triggers for how right wing garbage poisoned me for so long that it doesn’t just boil over, it goes from soup cooking temperature to a nuclear reactor when they’re in lockstep.
And of course the blind rage reverts back to it’s familiar roots, and I fucking destroy what I’m trying to be with what I say.
Good on you for calling it out.
Understandable. You seem to have reflected on this pretty well.
Emotions can carry us away sometimes, especially when it’s about something we care about deeply.
They were always Nazis. The more mainstream-seeming “alt-right” guys were just suit Nazis. They feel more comfortable coming out in the open now, even if it’s still a bit draped in “doing it for lulz” deniability. I’m skeptical that they’re fully aware that it’ll hurt their legitimacy. They’re dug in like ticks in their echo chamber, are constantly goading each into being more openly extreme, and celebrate the push back there.
It’s so weird to me that it’s ketamine, incidentally. Like, maybe I’d understand it more if Musk was heavy into cocaine, but the biggest ket users I know basically just drop off the grid, wear the same cardigan for a year straight and boof crystals in their van with their polycule… Not this Nazi shit. It’s so weird.
In the 1930’s the robber Barron legacy wall street families got together and hatched a plot. A fascist coup attempt to overthrow FDR and install a fascist wall street /Military industry controlled regime that was modeled after hitler’s Germany. Wall street mostly unanimously supported the third reich. They funneled money to him, as well as equipment, put him in the cover of tine magazine as 1938 person of the year and held a rally for him at Madison square garden. The usa didn’t want anything to do with the great war till it became evident that Germany was likely to lose so they allowed pearl harbor to happen to give the US carte Blanche via public support to enter the global theater then we pillaged their military secrets and gave asylum to many war criminals we deemed useful like werner von braun and many others (project paperclip) But anyway Prescott bush was one of these new money wall street people who spearheaded this coup attempt. They propositioned one of the most highly decorated generals in us history- smedly butler, author of the short autobiographical/ social critique war is a racket, to head this coup and take the white house by storm with several thousand military veterans. Butler played along until the last minute when he blew the whistle and testified to congress and the house un-American activities committee/ HUAC who deemed his testimony credible but were very likely paid off and did nothing to hold those responsible accountable. Now fast forward 90 or so years to today and the main architect of this coup’s son and grandson were both sitting presidents (one was cia director and very likely involved in the JFK assassination and was in Dallas on November 22, 1963) and all branches if the us government are now obviously controlled by the intersection of wall street and industrial military power whom also simultaneously control the press and use it to disseminate propaganda that the general public are easily swayed by in major part due to nixon and Reagan cutting education standards at the recommendation of their mutual advisor roger a freeman who said an educated proletariat was a major threat to their movement. Those two administrations were some of the most damaging to the American proletariat and did so much to dismantle the progress that the civil rights and labor rights movement did in conjunction with the new deal policies of fdr that allowed the middle class yo thrive for 3 decades until hyper inflation reared its ugly head and gave way to the modern age of austerity in America our government and their mouthpiece puppets are lying about. They intentionally devalued the us dollar while adequately adjusting corporate executive pay to compensate for this reduction in value to eradicate the workers and civil rights progress of the 40’s 50’s and 60’s and sent a majority of us manufacturing jobs to the third world to cut labor costs by 90-95%+
For the first 172 years of the us dollar as a standardized currency the price of gold only fluctuated 95% from $18 to $35 when FDR temporarily suspended the gold standard made it illegal for the rich to hoard gold and bought up the majority of the supply then revalued it from $19 to $35 an ounce so he could double the money supply and repair the damage done by the great depression. But since nixon permanently ended the gold standard in 1971 the price of gold has increased 8400% from $35 to $2900 today. This is directly in tandem with the increase in the national debt from $400 billion in 1971 to 36 trillion and change today or toughly 9200% meanwhile wall street uses the IMF/ world bank inflation figures to lie to us about the extent that the working class has been looted right before our eyes. the inflation statistics they parrot are based on consumer price index which is an inadequate and inaccurate measure of inflation since it does not account for the devaluation of a currency due to the increase in circulating currency supply which the price of gold does by design. So that means the minimum wage in the US has lost between 84-93% of its value in 54 years which in 1968-71 earned the equivalent value of 95 ounces of gold a year which would be $130/hr or $270,000 annually at a 40 hour a week salary of $1.60/hr even in 1950 75¢/hr was 60/hr today or 125,000 and in 1956 it was $1/hr or $82/hr/$168,000 today. This is why one adult working a full time job at any time from 1945-1975 could supply a family of four with enough left to save for their two kids college, their retirement (if they weren’t part of the 50% of workers with a pension) own 2 or 3 used cars or one new car(which cost under $1000 at the time) and go on a modest family vacation once a year, today it would take both parents working 80 hours a week with overtime (which the current fascist regime wants to eradicate) at a base pay of$30 an hour to come close to the same quality of life. The American working class were turned to wage slaves and most were so poorly educated they didn’t have the intellectual capacity to understand this reality. Today 2/3 of workers live paycheck to paycheck with insufficient savings to cover a $500-1000 emergency expense. Most millennials and gen z will never own a home and have to work till they are too sick to do so or worse while hoping that social security, medicaid and food stamps are not destroyed/ defunded and or privatized so we can survive the end of our lives. This is the sad reality of america and anyone disagreeing with my assessment is choosing to believe the words of career liars who commit fraud regularly and with impunity and have fleeced the American people countless times while our tax dollars have gone to their tax breaks and bailouts so they can enjoy lifestyles of opulent luxury at our expense. Its time to MaGGA- make guillotines great again.
It’s always been there; they just stopped even attempting to hide it (even though they never had it very well to begin with).
They wrote a nazi manifesto, it got reported on widely, they barely denied it and they won anyway.
Nothing that is happening on their end is the slightest bit unexpected, so I’m just isolating myself from America and Americans as much as I can until I don’t get a choice. However, when I see things like this post by accident I do feel a remarkable urge to grab anybody who expresses disappointment or surprise and shake them by the lapels until they pass out.
It’s always been there. Just now that people in power are the Nazis ppl can come out
It’s funny, the posters over at r/conservative truly believe they aren’t nazis and say thing like why is the left so violent, you do anything and they call you a nazi etc etc.
Crazy they can’t see the wood for the trees. Maybe they should have a bit of introspection, like maybe look in to why everyone calls the leaders and followers nazis…
Ironic coming from the “sheeple” crowd.
It begins by realizing that economics is also politics. The US ran out of indigenous peoples and lands to exploit, so it is turning inwards.
There are many books one could recommend. But an easy one to understand is: Irregular Army: How the US Military Recruited Neo-Nazis, Gang Members, and Criminals to Fight the War on Terror, this book was published in 2012. Whatever an empire perfects to crush other people, always sooner or later is used internally.
Astroturfing and boosting on Twitter and other platforms.
it’s a combo of trolling and attention seeking. “there’s no such thing as bad press” and all that.
we should point it out, condemn it, but not engage in arguments with them about what is and isn’t a sig heil.
and when they pop up in other places trying to talk about other stuff, just bring up the fact that they threw a Nazi salute from time to time.
the most important thing is to focus on their evil policies and actions. but we can’t forget their performative evil.
Small nit: they didnt just “throw a Nazi salute”; they openly and loudly declared they were Nazis, and they have done so many times in their conventions
he’s trolling leftists on twitter who use the term nazi to refer to racists in general
Nah, fuck off. If you act like a Nazi “trolling” you’re still a piece of shit. If you defend it? Yeah, you’re also a piece of shit. Notice, I didnt call you a Nazi. I disagree with the practice in general, and you’d probably take it as a complement.
why do you think I’m defending it?
i keep forgetting that this is basically Reddit. if you don’t “edit: i hate elon musk lol” everyone assumes the worst and downvotes you into the ground. what a stupid community.
everyone knows the guy is a troll and that he hates leftists. im pretty sure my assessment is correct.
Nah, fuck off.
fuck you too, dumbass
If someone calls you a Nazi and you lean into it, you’re a white supremacist bag of shit. Not a Nazi, mind, but just a racist piece of shit. And likewise, if you defend doing it as “just a troll, to own the libz”.
A private citizen should be allowed make whatever gesture they want. And I am free to point out that makes him a racist shitbag, along with his defenders. Like you.
He, however, is no longer acting soley as a private citizen, so it is much worse. Go ahead and defend that now. He also voiced support for AfD. You know, the German far-right party. The one that is the spiritual successor to the actual Nazis. I’m sure you’ll argue that was just a troll and hes really a swell guy, right?
why do you think im defending him? are you even reading my comments? man, honestly I think you’re a moron. you are a real problem
In what universe is a Nazi not a racist? Expanding on that, how is a Nazi in any way different from a racist?
that’s not what i said
Just a lack of Nazi hunters.
We need Lieutenant Aldo Raine back on duty (Brad Pitt in Inglorious Basterds)
Where is Wonder Woman when you need her?
Turns out she’s a Nazi too. :(
I was referencing the Wonder Woman of the 70’s TV series (Lynda Carter) who was always fighting against nazis.
Yeah that Linda Carter formed me. No actual woman has come even close to the expectations she set. <sigh>
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Why would you post this trash? If people want to read chatgpt’s takes, they can access it themselves.
a quick response from chatgpt
"Ah yes, the classic ‘this is trash because it’s AI’ argument, as if the merit of an analysis is determined by its origin rather than its content. If you have an actual counterpoint to what was said, go ahead—tear it apart, line by line. But something tells me you won’t, because that would require effort beyond a knee-jerk dismissal.
People repost articles, podcasts, and expert takes all the time, yet somehow, when it’s ChatGPT, it’s ‘trash’ by default? If the analysis is wrong, prove it. Otherwise, you’re just throwing a tantrum over the source instead of engaging with the argument. Try harder."
Bots are not allowed on a forum like this. If you are simply an instrument of a bot, you should not post here.
This is one of the best chatgpt analysis I have seen but I have not used it in awhile. I have just been using microsofts and googles figuring they all keep at about the same level. Granted I never really ask it to do some sort of political thing since it has no practical value so that might just be why I don’t generally see something like it.
can you… not?
Why not… It’s a quick and dirty way of answering a stupid question. Funny enough if i prompt gpt to simply format the response as a reddit/lemmy comment it gets massive upvotes.
They have more power than ever.
Even Pence wasn’t this stupid, but Vance certainly is.