Why are people defending physical violence over a vehicle? I don’t get it. Sure, he made a poor purchasing decision. No wonder, the culture war has been so successful at dividing us.
The article never suggests any physical violence, though. The problems he reported to CBS are a “hateful sticker”, “threats online”, “somebody tried to cut me off” and “three guys pointing the middle finger and […] screaming at me”. Not super cool either, but they’re not physical violence. Those last two might even be legal, depending on the circumstances.
For anybody curious, since the article doesn’t mention what the “hateful sticker” was, from a quick search it was: “NAZIS FUCK OFF”.
Pretty sure the last two are not just legal, but required under MA law while merging onto any highway.
Really the bottom three, but that’s just because we haven’t gotten the nearly impossible to remove electrostatically charged stickers from Snow Crash yet. Soon as we get those puppies it’s game on!
Heh. Deep cuts w/ Vonnegut should’ve been a podcast.
Seems like a good sticker!
Physical violence? Did I miss where the dude got dragged from his vehicle and beaten?
Go out in public proudly displaying political symbols, and you should expect people to answer back with a yell or a finger. A sticker about how your car sucks. Maybe even a blast of coal-rolling exhaust. Words invite words; symbols invite symbols - no one’s throwing hands, so I’d say this is just about how I’d like culture war to work.
The musk nazi stuff is recent, dude could have easily bought the cybertruck before musk started going full nazi with the mask off. We don’t know anything except what the article says.
Edit: Man yall are sensitive. Unless I say Musk bad anytime it comes up, yall get the pitchforks out. Chill out, this isn’t an article about Elon musk even.
The Cybertruck was released on November 30, 2023. Two weeks before, he endorse an antisemitic tweet.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/16/elon-musk-antisemitic-tweet-adl
You know when he apologized for it? November 30th.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/29/investing/elon-musk-dealbook-summit/index.html
Either this guy knew Musk said that and didn’t care, knew Musk said it and forgave him when he didn’t know better, or didn’t even bother paying attention to something that was national news at the time.
And whichever it was, it doesn’t speak highly of him.
I don’t have a Twitter, and I don’t follow Elon Musk religiously. I wish he’d go away, but, well, we both know that’s not happening.
Unless you were the one who bought the Cybertruck, this isn’t about you and I don’t know why you think it is.
Musk being a massive POS goes back years, but specifically entered the public consciousness when he called that dude trying to save the trapped kids in the mine a pedophile.
Nazis Fuck Off. Their toadies, too. Off with ya.
Where the fuck have you been?
dude could have easily bought the cybertruck before musk started going full nazi with the mask off
No, he absolutely could not have. Musk was full mask-off Nazi before the Cybertruck was released.
In 2023… no he wasn’t.
Yes, he fucking was! Either you’re an apologist or you weren’t paying attention.
Definitely a he said, she said moment right here. I’m not gonna engage with that.
No it fucking isn’t. It’s a matter of historical fact, and you are just flat-out wrong.
Also, thank you @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world for bringing the receipts.
You would “prefer” a “culture war” of slap fights and clever rejoinders? How bougie can you get without admitting it? 🙃
USA is all about class wars. No one else on the planet gives a flying fuck what you drive. But in US? It’s somehow the most hanious thing you can do.
Its a fucking car. Get over yourself. Musk isn’t hand building them. It’s easy to “boycott” something you can’t afford. I’m sure everyone here avoids amazon and nestle, right?
Buying new car is stupid regardless, but if my model 3 breaks down tomorrow, I’ll go buy another model 3. But it won’t, because it’s literally the best EV on the market. I test drove BYD literaly today, it is the 2nd best EV I’ve driven (and I’ve driven A LOT of EVs) but it’s generations behind what Tesla offers. This isn’t some subjective opinion, tesla is the best in range, efficiency, road noise, safety, software and “self driving” (while not ready, might never be, they’re still the best at it). They’re also likely the cheapest option.
You’re meant to skip that for what? Internet keyboard warrior fame?
It’s easy to “boycott” something you can’t afford
It’s even easier to cry like a baby about not being able to afford to drive a different car, when just the golden wrap on your luxury vehicle cost more than an entire normal car.
Nobody fucks with standard teslas lol. Even our wannabe pharaoh here is barely getting fucked with compared to the baseline Worcester experience
We shall see. Comments online surely show how unhinged people are. Or how about the highly upvoted post of standard Tesla being rattle canned with a huge swastika on it? 90% of the comments saw no issue with it.
And let’s not pretend it’s just tesla thing, look at Nvidia cards, people are rooting for People’s cards burning down because they couldn’t get one.
There are more examples, HPA in airsoft is another hobby I follow, people want it banned off sites.
Zero about understanding, no, people are just cunts.
I couldn’t care less about this golden twat, but look at any other post about tesla here? People are advocating torching them. When called out will pretend it’s only when they self set on fire!
I’m getting really tired of it. It’s just hate hate hate. Me vs them. I hope you see my point.
I’m getting really tired of it. It’s just hate hate hate.
Then maybe quit supporting the hateful. If you can’t take it, don’t help dish it out.
I agree hate is a terrible thing. Tbh though it’s ridiculous to try and direct your empathy towards the richest most unaffected people getting flamed for engaging in their luxury hobbies while vulnerable minorities are increasingly being targeted by actual violence.
Maybe luxury car owners, high end computer enthusiasts, and adults larping as soldiers with their expensive little toy guns should wake the fuck up to the situation that is developing around them if they care so much about peace and love. Hope you see my point
Nah, fuck that. People deserve to have fun and not be miserable all the time being there’s a war/famine/genocide going on. What exactly you’re doing on the internet while people are suffering? How dare you entertain yourself? And you hit nail in the head, it’s just whataboutism and jealousy. "If X is miserable, so should you be! "
Back at the boycotting something you can’t afford/want is the easiest shit to do.
Typical rambling argument against random shit nobody said.
You are the one using your limited time to jump to the defense of society’s lowest, most pathetic losers. Look up this guy’s business, he’s a fucking scam artist. Worcester would be significantly better off if they drove him out of town over his dumbass car.
You, yes you personally, should direct that energy into defending trans people and immigrants whose lives are actually threatened by violence instead of wasting it on wealthy people who are merely made “uncomfortable” by people telling them to fuck off lmao. You know, since you are the one who claims to be so bothered by hate and everything.
Or just continue to hallucinate and argue with yourself about the deep philosophical trimmings of whether or not anybody at all should be allowed to experience any form of pleasure if even one among us anywhere in the world is suffering. That’ll come in handy in the future I’m sure, especially if you keep bringing it up when nobody asked
Divided? That douche-whistle had so much money, he spent it on a golden turd. Not only did he divide himself, the dude put up walls to separate himself from the poors.
That goes to the museum of the 2k20s. Everyone with a sturdy key or a can of paint may leave a messsge on that time capsule. Imaging having a guarded wiki page about you the guy who painted a dick on the golden disk of these pathetic times.
He thinks his family isn’t safe in it… Yet he continues to drive it
You drive a rolling swastika and BLARING sign of historical wealth inequality that you’ve literally wrapped in gold - you deserve so much more fucking hate culminating in a brief rest of your heavy head that wears the crown on the guillotine. Tone deaf, fucking ghoul.
Apparently he tried to trade it in, but Tesla isn’t accepting cybertrucks back. Wonder why…
Poetry
Man, if only we were hip to what an asshole musk was a month ago. His fans could have known that buying a cybertruck was going to get negative attention. But I guess there were no signs to warn us. And really, who drives cybertrucks more than single moms living paycheck to paycheck, day laborers, and other marginalized folks? We should just assume that anyone in a gold cyber truck had zero idea what they were doing, had no intention of being an edgy dbag, and only uses it to deliver fresh produce to the local food banks.
Are we seriously stooping to the level of our supposed betters when it comes to dealing with criticism or disagreement? Elon Musk and Trump, two individuals who have no qualms about using their influence and power to bully others into silence.
A fellow just gets harassed for driving a car that he’s passionate about. Can you imagine how it feels to be constantly singled out and shunned because of something so mundane as the shape of your vehicle? The Cybertruck is a polarizing design, but should that make one a target for abuse?
The stickers on his car are just the cherry on top of this toxic behavior. It’s not just harassment, it’s vandalism. I can only imagine how dehumanizing and demoralizing it must be to have people’s hate projected onto your property.
This incident is a perfect example of how our society has become increasingly divided and tribal. We’re more likely to attack the person or the idea rather than engaging in constructive dialogue. The ‘other’ becomes a target, and we lose sight of what really matters - empathy, kindness, and understanding.
I’m truly sad to see this happen. The owner of the Cybertruck is not some kind of ideologue who deserves to be attacked. He’s just an average person who wants to drive his car without fear of reprisal or ridicule. And what will it achieve? Will it make him think twice about his choices? I doubt it. If anything, it’ll reinforce his conviction and anger.
We need to learn to treat each other with respect and dignity, even when we disagree. Harassment and intimidation are not solutions to problems; they’re just symptoms of a deeper issue - our inability to listen to opposing views and engage in civil discourse.
We need to learn to treat each other with respect and dignity, even when we disagree.
They can start first if they have such a problem with it. Conservatives have been lambasting and attacking anyone who disagrees with them since the 90s. My car was vandalized at work after the 2000 election because of a bumper sticker.
Don’t start a fight if you don’t want to finish it
Too bad Kamala wasn’t the winner. She was all about “take the high road”. It seems that since she lost, people have interpreted this as “I must get as dirty as the other side to win”. Sorry, I don’t want to play those low, nasty games that the other side has played forever.
The right is living out their wet dream right now, in charge of almost every facet of the federal government. Unfortunately for them, that also comes with the responsibility to improve things in some way. By almost any metric you can imagine, we haven’t seen much improvement. I think if they don’t want to get tossed out next election, they had better start building up some wins. I do not think the public, no matter how MAGA-ly aligned will gladly accept 3.9 more years of “b-b-b-b-but Biden made the economy so bad we can’t do anything”.
Why was Trump before the election saying “Give me a day and I’ll fix this country” and then after it saying “Well, things are real hard, but we’ll give it a shot…”. It’s because the guy is all bark and no bite. It’s a lot easier to promise all-encompassing fixes to the USA than it is to actually do them, and I think other than just blindly tearing down (expensive) federal agencies and claiming that as a win, he has no real plan other than disruption. Unfortunately for those of us in the USA that just want to live day by day, we aren’t rooting for random chaos.
I think about half the voters just want to see the world burn to “own the libs” and the other half wants improvements in housing costs, food costs, improvements in wagers, worker’s rights, etc. My crystal ball says we will see much more disruption and vanishingly few improvements to life for the average American, but let’s find out! I’d be glad to be wrong and Trump transforms the USA into a utopia. I just don’t think it’s very likely.
The right is living out their wet dream right now, in charge of almost every facet of the federal government.
And your concern is that people aren’t being nice enough to them and their supporters.
Collaborators can eat shit
Sorry, I don’t want to play those low, nasty games that the other side has played forever.
Then you are exactly why the democrats continue to lose so goddamn always
Enjoy your vision of a nasty America where everyone is rude and annoying forever!
At which point in the last 30 years has the Democrats taking the high road had any effect on that?
I’d rather have one party slinging mud than two. Apparently there’s a lot of people who want “revenge” and permission to be nasty “because that’s what the other guys do”. Go ahead, if that’s what tickles your pickle, but I’m not joining in. I don’t want to sink to the lowest common denominator.
I’d like to think the Democrats will win because the Republicans will get nothing of substance done during the next 3.9 years and the Democrats will come up with some decent plans for the nation. It seems like a lot of people just want to see the Democrats get better at slinging mud instead. I don’t agree with this.
I’d rather have democrats in power for more than four months over 40 years so they can actually fix things.
Because that’s what always happens: Republicans sling mud and break shit, Democrats get elected because shit is broken and refuse to sling mud to fix it, and then Democrats lose because they won’t sling mud.
But if you don’t want to break the cycle we’ve been stuck in since Reagan because it’s mean then I don’t know what to tell you.
While I agree with the General Sentinment of your comment, I think public shaming needs to be used more. If you’re driving a swasticar, you should be shamed for it.
While you’re joining in the pointless mud slinging about a person’s choice of vehicle, the government is being dismantled, we’re filling our first concentration camps and threatening to invade Canada.
The solution isn’t to play the game of pointless division which got us into this mess in the first place. The people with power that are breaking our society got that power by tricking people into worrying about trivial differences within their class.
The solution to that problem isn’t to continue worrying about trivial differences amongst your class.
Gold swasticar*
noice!
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*drop of water. The hat will scratch it.
So threatening someone is ok because of the vehicle they drive?
Found the nazi
Absolutely.
Yes. 😘
Don’t buy a car to attract attention and then complain it’s not the attention you wanted.
“Did you see what she was
wearingdriving? Totally asking for it.”Was she wearing a swastika? If yes, she’s asking for a punch in the face. Same applies to driving one.
Did you see the nazi uniform that guy was wearing? He was asking for it.
Won’t somebody think of the Musk fanboys?!
Not at all what I’m saying. Just saying that you’re using rapist’s logic by blaming the assaulted for the assaulter’s actions, and I think that’s a pretty shitty thing to do, even if they drive an rusty nazimobile.
If a woman wears a short dress to feel pretty that is not an invitation for someone to assault them.
If someone buys a vehicle that is a know disaster, from a guy who can’t stop lying and cheating, and then makes it shiny gold to really drive home that they love their nazi-built pile of rolling garbage and then complains that people are expressing their displeasure in said person’s support of the person who is actively doing things that are killing/will kill people well buddy they can absolutely go fuck themselves.
The basic mechanism is similar, but if you can’t see the ten mile wide gap between those two scenarios I’m not really sure how to explain it to you.
Fuck Musk, fuck fascists, and fuck anyone who buys Tesla during all this garbage(some people before may, or may not, get a pass but I mean come on).
Shiny gold with an ad for a business complete with QR code on the back. That makes it even worse to me.
Not sure why you are being so heavily downvoted. This is a reasonable contribution to the conversation, even if people disagree it.
You think people making fun of a shitty car is comparable to rape?
I’m not talking about making fun of the shitty car, I’m talking threatening and harassing the driver.
No, you’re talking about rape when you should really shut the fuck up.
Edit - this user has harassed me off site. He has been reported to the admins.
No I’m not, and no I won’t. I’m talking about harassing the driver. I compared defending that behavior to a rapist’s victim-blaming mindset. I’ve been very clear about that.
I’m not trying to put words in your mouth, not sure why you’re trying it with me, though.
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No, but I’ll still enjoy every article where they complain about it.
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Wow that is some Olympic level mental gymnastics, congratulations.
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Lol oh yeah I missed the context
Literal Nazis should not feel safe stepping outside
The word for people who support Nazis is “Nazi”. Yes, threatening Nazis is okay.
You can have my upvote, but commenting here risks the echo chamber that is Lemmy to attack this comment too.
This place is perfectly OK stooping as low as the “other side”. Our violence is justified, theirs is not. Under no circumstance is the owner of that Cybertruck owned by someone that LOVES EV’s and just loves its looks/capabilities. They absolutely must have bought it because they support Nazi’s, no other reason. Everyone else here is virtuously perfect.
So each ‘side’ of America keeps stepping lower, justifying it by the previous act bringing us deeper into this hell we’re building in real time.
For the record, Elon can go f%$k himself, but under no circumstances am I going to inflict violence/anger on a random AMERICAN going about their day in their stupid Cybertruck.
If you loved EVs, why on Earth would you get a Cybertruck when there are legitimately good EV trucks out there?
https://www.caranddriver.com/rivian/r1t
If you scroll down to the list of other EV trucks, the Cybertruck is the most expensive after the Hummer, which, no shit that’s ridiculously overpriced like all Hummers. That’s not an endorsement.
Seems a question you’d have to ask the person that bought it, not me.
I think everything about them is stupid. EVs in general do not fit my use case.
I do track days / time trials in my fun car I tow a boat and haul stuff with my truck (sometimes hundreds of miles). I guess if I could have a third commuting car a EV might work, but I use my motorcycle for that whenever possible.
You’re the one who came up with the explanation that it’s about loving EVs, not the person who bough it. So I’m asking you.
Reread what I originally wrote…
I was, in fact, expressing how silly it is for someone to assume the Cybertruck owner was a Nazi or wanting to suck off Elon. That it couldn’t possibly be owned by someone that loves EVs or the Cybertruck for their own reasons not within the narrow narrative associated with someone that would purchase such a vehicle assumed in this thread.
That’s all the more effort I’m putting into this.
Yes, I read what you wrote. You came up with an explanation for why someone would do that. Then you acted like it wasn’t your explanation. Now you’re just outright refusing to back up what you said.
It’s not a good look.
Fuck off with the bullshit moral equivalence.
Damn straight, violence against Nazis is justified when violence against egalitarian people is not! What the fuck is wrong with you, that you think defending against hate is wrong?
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I think your reply got attached to the wrong comment.
Oops, yes it did. Thank you.
Dude he bought a truck and it’s a little tacky. Settle down…
If they’re just an EV enthusiast, they would have bought a good EV that doesn’t crash itself, lock you inside, and rust out from a little morning dew. A Rivian pickup still costs less than a Swasticar and functions a lot better.
This was a personal choice that these drivers made when they bought their truck, and they get to live with the consequences. Your argument has more holes than swiss cheese.
Our violence is justified…
Please point me to a news source that reported actual physical violence to a swasticar driver. All I’ve seen is light vandalism at best.
Light vandalism is a good start. Violence against Nazis IS justified - it’s the only language they speak, so be sure to communicate loud and clear.
Your argument is bad, and you should feel bad. 🤦🏼♂️
How many logical fallacies can you spot, kids?
talk about excellent life choices
I flip them the bird every time I see one now, fuckin nazi simps need to know they’re hated
Even if it is 10 degrees, I’ll roll down the window and make a jackoff gesture. Fucking clowns. I have appointments near a Boeing office, you’ll be shocked to know that more than a few Boeing employees drive Wankpanzers. Boeing planes are built to the same standards lately so it tracks.
If you don’t want to be treated like a nazi sympathizer, then don’t drive a nazi vehicle. Simple.
Play stupid games…
“I wish to buy something that tells everyone that I’m richer and better than them.”
Later…
“Waaaah! Everyone’s being mean to me because I’m telling everyone I’m richer and better than them!”
says he’s been cut off in traffic
It’s Massachusetts. That their state pass time
been yelled at and given the finger
If everyone you see (Plus, you drive a gold vehicle. Talk about self-absorbed) is an asshole, you might be the asshole
They call it a ‘Boston Left’ for a reason.
Hey, the second state pastime is giving the finger and yelling in traffic. We take these pastimes seriously, like sports and drinking.
The only way he could have made it worse for himself is if he had an RI plate. Mass residents have never been shy about letting people know how they feel about them (for better, or very worse 😅)
If there’s one thing Connecticut and Massachusetts agree on, it’s Rhode Island (but don’t worry, we can all shit on New Yorkers together)
News to me! Never been to the northeast. Anything in particular about Rhode island? Or just the typical “this state > a nearby state”?
It’s almost certainly the neighbors thing. The specific complaints are mostly that Rhode Islanders have a very distinctive accent (it’s no longer super widespread, but think Lois from family guy) and when your friends/relatives move there, they stop thinking of an hourlong drive (to visit you) as a day trip, but that might just be a trend in my circle.
That, and their clam chowder isn’t real chowder and wtf is coffee milk (yep, those are definitely just neighborly things to pick at). I always liked honey dew better than dunkin though.
Ha, thanks for sharing. I’m Midwest- Minnesota calls cheese balls (fried) “cheese curds”. Weirdos.
Nothing wrong with a bit of local pride.
Different world with the population density. Would rather live vicariously
Cheese balls are most certainly not equivalent to cheese curds in any form.
Cheese curds are an ambiguous term, they are either fresh or fried.
Traditionally, fried cheese curds are what one does with their extra cheese curds after they are no longer fresh.
Cheese curds are no longer fresh once they have been refrigerated and lose their squeak. Only thing left to do with them then is to batter and fry them. But they still aren’t cheese balls.
Silly blue plates don’t know shit about cheese.
*pass times. As in, a way to pass the time, like with a hobby such as fishing or drinking.Edit: I stand corrected and humbled.
Wait, drinking is a hobby now?
Some people would say I have a problem. But according to this I’m a hobbyist.
You got change up the type and quantity of what you drink, that’s what makes it a hobby.
No, if we’re going to be prescriptivists, we’re going to be correct.
It’s pastime.Holy shit. I feel like I just stepped into an alternative reality. Seriously, I’m floored.
I’m guessing etymologically that’s where it comes from though.
I love etymology! I dont evem know thst much about it!
And there is never shame in gaining knowledge - as long as we all refrain from dunking on someone that is willing to learn.
I just googled “prescriptivist”
Your word game is.sick, yo
Also drinking while driving with an attached snow plow. I see you, Berkshire county. It’s not a sport… Yet.
pass time
I just realized I’ve always thought of it as past time, I guess I usually see it written as “pastime”. Past time doesn’t make any sense at all, the way I’ve always thought of it. Neat!
“pastime” is correct. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/pastime
With a single “s”? I’ve never seen that.
Edit: until seeing this comment. Wtaf?
https://alexandrite.app/Lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/16674217
Edit: Well, I stand corrected. Pastime is right. I cannot believe I never knew that.
We’re both enriched on this fine day!
Yeah, they couldn’t possibly be yelling at him because he sucks at driving.
The truck probably is doing most of the shitty driving anyhow.
Shows how well they have been treated for so long they feel entitled to politeness.
None of that is threatening or harassing behavior.
As the saying goes, if you smell shit everywhere you go, check your shoes.
Good.
The obvious thought.
“Violence is only bad when it’s against people I like.”
Dumbfuck.
Paradox of tolerance
At the bottom of the article, the swasticar owner makes a similar “people who disagree” argument. This is fascism we’re talking about, not pizza toppings. Idiot.
“Wahhh wahh”
- Tedesche
Harassment and threats are not violence. If I were to punch a trumper, that would be violence.
the hypersuck isn’t allowed on the road in normal countries. just because fascistan allows it doesn’t mean people should tolerate this death machine on the road. I hope it totals, so maybe it should drive over some puddle or whatever stupid thing makes these explode.
Based. Sometimes this space annoys the fuck outta me
Oh no! Are you being held here against your will!? Blink S.O.S.!
OR don’t let the door hit you where the good Lord split ya on the way out.
Cringe reply
Nice punctuation, Grammar Police.
I didn’t think much about it until I thought about the trump towers
