people do not quit jobs, they quit managers and I personally would like to quit some coworkers.
Basically the manager says in public that I’m good and passionate about the job but privately she writes the opposite. She never talked to me about what I need to improve, if anything. And then has the gall to tell me to trust her if I want to open up to her. Two faced, not to trust.
I only found out when another manager read to me what she wrote about me.
I was never good at playing office politics. FWIW I don’t like the job, I do it because I need money and I’m good at it.
it is always the people that make any job worth doing.
I found out a manager was doing exactly what you described and it was my last day. you might want to make it yours too even if you need to hang around long enough to line something else up, just check out and don’t give them any indication. I’ve had enough bad managers in my time to know you need enough savings to walk away immediately if they try to fuck with you.
You don’t need permission from the internet, if you’re asking the question you already know the answer.
How di$re$pected are you? To me as long as I am re$pected I stay unless someone offers me more re$pect.
Mental health is important too.
people do not quit jobs
Bullshit. I’ve quit jobs before. like the job I had at a veneer mill. It was boring me to tears, was so loud that ear-pro was mandatory–about 110dB, IIRC–and I was spending about an hour each day digging splinters out of my hands. (Couldn’t wear gloves b/c they didn’t have the dexterity needed for picking up a single sheet of veneer without breaking it.) I don’t think I even saw my manager more than a few times in the brief period i worked there.
People also quit because of low pay. I guess I’m lucky to have never had a bad manager, but that hasn’t stopped me from quitting 😅
That was a big reason for me leaving my old job.
You said it yourself; people change managers, not jobs.
So you’ve established that continuing to work for this manager is undesirable on multiple levels. Does that other manager want you to come and work for them? Would you want to? Line something up either inside our outside the company so that you no longer have to work for that manager; I suspect your current manager will be gone within a year if another manager was already talking to you about your file.
Work relationships are built on trust. This is a rough time to be looking for work, but in your case please consider finding another job and only then quitting this one.
I peaced out of a job almost 2 years ago, something very toxic as well, and I’m 100% better for it. I hope you can find an environment that’s better for you.
If you haven’t already started looking for another job, start now.
Don’t let them force you into a bad move. Bide your time, make your plans and split when it works for YOU.
The only answer here is “do what you want but make sure you have a plan”.
Most of the jobs I have left has been as a form protest. Manager/boss say or do something then I am happy to take my labour to a new career.
We’re all worth respect and if a job can’t offer that then they aren’t worth our labour.
Every significant “raise” I have had in my life has been getting a new job. Do it. Quit. You’ll be better off with a new job and be happy you left
Wish more young people understood this.
“bUT CaPitaListIsm!”
It’s a two-way street my friends. That evil employer paid you to gain experience and stack your resume. Wake the fuck up. Your labor is worth more than your take home pay. Take the money and run.
When my buddies and I moved to Florida, my guy went from a managerial position at a cable contractor to changing oil at Jiffy Lube. Every 6-months or so he’d hop up. In a few years he was making 6-digits.
That sounds like he was hopping down?
Not if the managerial position paid 50k and changing oil pays 150k
Wtf
Comments like yours remind me why I’m so damn lucky and grateful for my job…
In February I’ll have been there 10 years, and my salary is almost 150% more than when I started (which was above $50k for context).
I’ve gotten annual ~3% “raises” each year, as well as one role change (+11%), two promotions (+25% and +13%), and a raise I pushed for (+12%). The first promotion, my boss literally called me on a Tuesday and said I had a new title and my raise was effective as of the Saturday before.
I share this to remind people these kinds of companies do exist, even if they’re the exception.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I got a >100% in 3 years from a >50k by switching companies. That being said I don’t think I would change my current job for a different one, if I ever get made a significantly higher offer elsewhere I’m more likely to use it as leverage to get a similar raise here, so I can definitely understand the not wanting to leave a given company.
I’m glad you’re happy but I got similar results in half the time. I went from 40k, to 70, then 80, then 120, and finally 135 now in about 6 years. Of those each time I got a new job, except for 70 to 80 which was when I went from contracting to full time at the same job. Hell, I asked my manager at that job how I could get a raise and he said my best bet was to quit, go work somewhere else and come back in a few years. My number one piece of career advice I give everyone is “quit your job” especially if you work corporate
Yeah I’m sure I could have gotten more a bit faster and I’m pretty sure I’d make more with my title at many other companies, but environment and quality of life are worth more to me.
The company’s culture is fantastic for many reasons. It’s a well-known brand with ~2k corporate employees and while others are mandating RTO, my CEO has gone on public record multiple times to reinforce that we are a work-from-anywhere company. Also while there have been constant layoffs in the news over the past year, our last layoff was in 2021 (and relatively small). Layoffs under our CEO aren’t a fact of life while our prior CEO relished the twice annual layoff and is still doing that at the company he runs now.
Plus I genuinely like the work I do and love the people I work with. Now that I make money well beyond my means, I care way more about culture than chasing another buck.
If you can find another job that makes you happier, there is no bad reason to change.
Doesn’t that entirely depend on your perspective for the future? Can you find a better workplace and is your situation going to improve? Then yes, do it. Is it going to stay the same, or you take a massive hit considering salary or something? Then have a good think what’s more important to you…
Your job isn’t loyal to you, why should you be loyal to your job?
Yes
Do you think this person will sign off on raises or promotions, or any other benefits?
Dump them. In your exit interview say, “manager has declined to comment on my performance, but has shared criticisms with other people. Understanding and improving the quality of my work is important, and I do not believe I am able to do that when facts are concealed from me.”
Start looking for a new job. Can get an increase plus dont have to deal with 2 faced managers.
