This is going to be fun watching over the next four years. LOL. You just gotta laugh.
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I grew up on a dairy farm and milked cows every day. We never bought “store” milk to drink. It always came from the tank every morning. We also made and ate foods that would cause you urbanites blanch and faint if you only knew, (I miss the home made blood sausage and canned beef my Grandmothers made). It’s not a death sentence like many of you seem to think. But, for commercial store bought milk, it IS imperative that the milk is pasteurized for consumer safety. That milk might be a week or two old before it reaches your refrigerator in the Big City/Suburbs/Gentrified neighborhood.
I doubt if drinking raw milk will become common place amongst magahats. It tastes NOTHING like what they or you are used to. It’s a whole different thing. And the vast majority of you would hate the taste of it and refuse to drink it. And the first time someone gets the shits from drinking it, they will try and sue the dairy they bought the milk from. And that won’t end well.
In Europe they seem to not have the same fear/issues with the sale or consumption of “raw dairy” that we do here in the US. Perhaps they are smarter about such things.
“That woke dairy farm didn’t take all the pasture outta the milk before they put it in the cartons! Everyone’s getting sick because they’re not depasteurizing the milk enough!” - my qanon neighbour, probably
The cream from the top is the best.
I think a lot of it is coming from the bird flu scare. If the milk is pasteurized the virus would be killed in the process. If it isn’t killed and gets transferred to a person it can be deadly. The chance of death varies drastically though. Worse than covid odds, but up to ridiculous levels if someone is pregnant.
Basically if a pregnant woman gets it from raw milk somehow, the chances of death for her and the baby are around 90%. So the lack of knowledge of if the spread amongst the cows is being stopped, is leading to the fear of it being dangerous to humans
It’s because the gubmint told them they can’t have it and, like petulant children, they just wanna do what they’ve been told they shouldn’t.
Wait till they outlaw/regulate eating unpasteurized cheese in the US…
Oh wait.
It’s not illegal to eat it. It’s illegal to sell it.
This is exactly it for the vast majority of them. And there’s a minority that have been duped into believing there are legitimate benefits.
You know what? We should probably deny vaccinations, unions, and “love thy neighbor”… The world would be a better place
I hear the “deep state” wants to stop you from eating rotting food. You’re not going to let a bunch of scientists and health department officials tell you what to eat, are you?
/s just in case.
It’s just a different kind of cheese! Cabbage cheese, lettuce cheese, raw ground beef cheese. A bunch of libs ain’t gonna tell me what’s good for me. I’ve got Jesus in my court!
Gullible fucks. How many of them would die if they were told that they can boost their immunity by sticking their house keys in a power outlet.
“Would an apartment key work, or do you have to own a house?”
But the lamestream media says not to do it! That means they’re hiding the secret to cleansing out the 5g nanoRNA or some shit.
Electrons are the purest substance known to humanity! How are you going to tell me allowing 15 amps of the purest substance known to flow through my body is a bad thing!?
Stupid liberals don’t even understand electronomy!
:P
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It is a non-zero number, you can be sure of that.
Adult humans should not be drinking milk in liquid form in any way.
I only drink my milk in a solid state
I too enjoy cheese
I use milk so infrequently that I get the powdered milk and mix up however much I need when I’m cooking.
If you mean biologically- the ones without lactose tolerance, sure. The ones with lactose tolerance evolved to do so.
Morally is a different story, although even there, I don’t really see a problem with a subsistence farmer living off of cow and goat’s milk. Factory dairy farming is another issue.
Even without lactose tolerance, mankind found a way to keep drinking milk. I really want to experiment mongolian kumis/airag someday
Perfectly natural, direct from the cow
I was just listening to the amazing Fall of Civilizations podcast’s epic 6 hour and 45 minute episode on the Mongols and it comes up multiple times.
I didn’t go into morality. I despise industrial husbandry. I’m more than fine with non-intensive farmers having and caring for cows and goats, and chickens, etc… It’s fairly symbiotic. I specified liquid, because a large majority of adult humans are not well prepared to process milk. Many are completely lactose intolerant, and some of western descent have some degree of lactose intolerance. Many just don’t realize it. Many cheeses are very low in lactose, generally the more cured, the less lactose. Also, milk has certain hormones which can impact human health. Humans have evolved to be able to survive by being omnivorous, but being able to eat certain things doesn’t mean they are good, it just means that we won’t starve, getting a chance to later eat better things. It’s not the same to survive than to thrive.
People would thrive more if they didn’t burgers and fries too. Good luck convincing them not to even have a veggie burger and fries.
“Why Tommy, what have you been reading?”
Average lactose intolerant L
Dr: Are you vaccinated?
Pat: No!
Dr: Do you drink raw milk?
Pat: Every day for breakfast!
Dr: Ok then we have a diagnosis, a severe case of stupid!
Ah, the abbreviation here is great. Since a family friend of mine is named Pat and had been buying into this shit more and more over the years. He even got a doctor to give him hydroxychloroquine during the peak of covid!
It’s obvious why they’re suddenly obsessed with Raw Milk. It’s the same reason they were suddenly Anti-Vax, anti-Mask, and anti-plague-control.
Democrats said a thing, Republicans immediately reply with the opposite.
Democrats said Vaccines prevent disease, Republicans declared vaccines are poison. Democrats said wearing a mask can reduce the transmission of airborne pathogens, Republicans said masks will kill you and are illegal now. Democrats said “Don’t drink raw milk, it can transmit deadly diseases.” Republicans declare “You can take the raw milk from my cold dead hands.”
I honestly expect that if Democrats released a PSA against jumping off cliffs onto jagged rocks, because the fall could be dangerous, Republicans would immediately start taking picture standing on the edges of cliffs with the caption of “Don’t tell me what to do.”
I mean, we could at least try releasing that PSA.
Maybe take baby steps first, like “you should never cross a street with heavy traffic”, “looking down the barrel of your gun is too dangerous” and “eating poop is nasty”
You forgot the one about gas stoves in homes.
To be fair, there are so many examples of this lately, it’s impossible to keep track of them all.
Humans are famously garbage at comprehending statistics, and most Darwin Award winning conservative behaviors are born of it.
Take any mundane thing that was part of a status quo of a previous era in recent memory. Anything at all. Research comes out suggesting that thing has a small, but non-negligible risk to be quite harmful. So we collectively shift to a new behavior that tries to eliminate the risk. A shift that, in most sane and civil peoples’ opinions, is so unobtrusively small that any theoretical benefit we’re trading away is probably well worth the risk elimination.
But oh, a certain group of people will bitch and moan and scream and piss all over themselves in rage over how you dared to take away something so integral to their culture and lifestyle! The risk aversion is never worth the vain fringe benefit of whatever perceived quality was lost because the risk is completely invisible until it actually hits them personally.
Milk used to taste so great! God’s gift to the world! Then we all started boiling it and now it tastes worse! And for what? Because a couple of weak-bodied cosmic lottery losers were getting a few tummy aches? The vast majority of us are all suffering over nothing! Life was so much better when we weren’t all scared of things that won’t happen! We did it for millennia and we turned out just fine!
Then you point out all the people actually getting hospitalized from pathogens in raw milk, the very thing we were trying to avoid in the first place, and if they even believe you at all they simply consider it an acceptable price to pay. Better to live in a rich and interesting society where you’re free to risk harming yourself and others than a milquetoast one where imperceptible threats have been preemptively eliminated at great cost.
And then they turn around and work to ban books that mention trans people or ban porn websites to save the children or some other dumb shit.
Yeah back in the 2000s my permaculture/crunchy granola/woo woo/socially conservative/Catholic friend liked raw milk because of the health benefits, live cultures, etc., and believed that it was worth the risk that someone, somewhere, might get sick. But he’d be ok though because he knew and trusted His Farm.
I didn’t agree with him but I was tempted.
Imo if something can’t be regulated to within acceptable risk, it’s probably too dangerous.
That’s why Alex Honnold can go free solo a cliff because he’s only risking himself and his family’s future without him, but selling raw milk puts a lot more people at risk.
I would. My Dad grew up on a dairy farm and drank milk out of the cow that morning - if I see upon a farm, I’d certainly try it
Just like on a veggie farm (IPM, no pesticides) I tried carrots out of the ground, flowers off the stem, berries off the bush. It’s a really neat experience.
However I’d never make a habit out of it, nor try it when it’s not absolute fresh and I knew what was on it. The odds are ok if you do it once under known conditions, but like any other gambling, the house always wins
I said it a million times, if Obama simply came out in favor of lowering the minimum wage then we’d all have six figure salaries.
Imagine being so vapid that the extent of your understanding of the world boils down to just being contrarian.
It’s much easier than thinking.
Don’t get involved with people who enthusiastically shit on others’ ideas, while having none of their own. Can’t count how many times I’ve countered a complaint with “Ok, what would you do?” only to be met with those empty eyes that tell you there’s nothing happening behind them.
Some people just think conversation is defined as bitching.
I feel like most of the time they don’t even know the actual implications of what they’re saying, but are simply repeating the thing that they heard on the radio or Fox News. All they know is that the Democrats don’t like whatever it is, and that’s all that matters to them.
There might be one or two far leftists here. Seriously curious, does anyone here think drinking raw cow’s milk is a good idea? Why?
I feel like it used to be a super far left thing but the spectrum is a horseshoe as I’m sure you know. I also think it comes a bit from the prepper community which tends to be “libertarian”
Tastes better. Probiotic, so can be healthier. Risk is very low of contamination, low enough that the mandate for pasteurized milk was kinda overblown, but technically safer.
I find the posturing the funniest. Conservatives trying to act tough by drinking raw milk is hilariously tame. It’s like being proud of not wearing sun screen when mowing the lawn. Like, that’s arguably fine either way, but sunscreen is a little safer but…why would you brag about that?
It’s attention seeking behavior. They blatantly break small rules with (usually) small risks to get a rise out of people. My 5-year-old does the same thing.
Need to kick things up a notch. What we really need is for scientists to start talking about how bad slitting your wrists is. That’s how you get attention.
Probiotic, so can be healthier
Objectively not true. Zero actual evidence to support that. Also probiotic in itself is not a real thing and the only scientifically probiotic thing is fiber, any fiber because unsurprisingly to care for your bacteria you… need to feed and protect them not introduce more fuckboy dudes coming in trying to fuck shit up lol.
Also probiotic in itself is not a real thing
Oh please do go and fuck off. I’ve had to spend a ridiculous portion of my life reading the research on probiotics, and how they work is not entirely understood, but it’s a far better established idea than “[introducing] more fuckboy dudes” into the targeted ecosystem.
I think it was originally a “do we really need the government to mandate this” when they were appealing to the idea of like, a small family farm with people idyllically milking a single cow into a bucket. Then that idea morphed into an actual advocacy of drinking it when it got combined with the sort of “crunchy” “paleo” pseudoscience “health nut” movements.
Because our ancestors did it and they were strong Chads.
“Louis Pasteur was a fascist in line with the new world order!” -Big D
I grew up drinking raw milk because we were milking 50 head of cows every day. Why make a 50 mile round trip to buy something we 500 gallons of right there in the yard. No one died or even got sick from it. Is it better for you? I don’t know or care. It’s what we had and the price was right. And it’s VERY unlikely any of you would actually want to drink it. And this includes the magahats also. It tastes nothing like the stripped down and flash pasteurized milk you are used to.
That said, for the commercial milk you buy and drink, it’s an absolute must to pasteurize the milk. It’s going to take a week for that milk to get from the dairy to your refrigerator and you expect it last another week or two. And so food safety demands it.
In any case, it’s not illegal to drink raw milk. You just can’t sell it to other individuals. If you want raw milk all you need do is to simply get your own cow and milk it. Then you can drink it all you want.
The alt right crowd are weird as shit. Nobody gave a fuck about “raw milk” until the last year or so.
I’ve seen signs for raw milk in the UK now. The local Facebook groups have tinfoil hat types who think there’s a giant conspiracy about Arla (huge milk wholesaler) milk not selling, and taking photos of milk in shops to “prove” it…
The world seems to be in a mental health crisis, and while I’m not suggesting reopening Bedlam lunatic asylum we should probably pay some attention to this. Social media has a lot to answer for
People who make cheese as a hobby have called for the ability to buy raw milk for years.
That said alot of people in the hobby also confuse pasteurization with homogenization. I can get cheese almost as good as raw milk by mixing pasturized skim and heavy cream together. Trying to use Homogenized milk results in a mess.I work at a tailgate market in a left leaning area. There’s always one or two people who come looking for raw milk and I have to explain that the milk we sell is UV pasteurized instead of heat pasteurized, so the proteins are more intact. They’re never satisfied with that. They tend to have accents, so I assume they use to get raw milk in their country, but in their country, the milk isn’t being mixed from hundreds of cows, possible from completely different farms, so the rick of contamination is much lower where they’re from.
I tell them to find a farm and tell them you want to make cheese. It’s not my problem if they want to make themselves sick.
I think the foothold thought was that pasteurization destroys more than just bacteria, and milk might be healthier and/or tastier without having been changed by that process. Of course taste is largely culturally acquired - example A being Germans and UHT milk - but lots of people fancy themselves taste-o-philes.
Then the mistrust of “them” kicked in, and if “they” said the risk of pathogenic bacteria far outweighed any marginal health benefit, the “truth” must be the opposite.
It’s easier too if you’re the one milking, with the exception that pasteurization also extends shelf life
I cant help but remember Amanda Bynes whenever I read MAHA
I for one welcome the new natural selection process. Can we do more of these?
“only eat mushrooms with redcaps for a week to detox your body” “building up infection immunity by sitting in an ice bath of shit”
MAGA is a death cult.
Sadly, they want everyone to die, not just them.
So it kinds of balances out with the other ideologies
Let them drink milk.
By the gallon.
Problem is, it won’t just affect them. Tuberculosis can spread just fine.
TB isn’t too bad it’s that Micah you’ve got to watch out for.
Fuck Micah! That boy never did Dutch any good.
Death cult
At least with this one they’re only killing themselves and their own kids.
No annon! That’s eugenics!
It’s only eugenics if it’s done to a population. If they do it to themselves it’s natural selection.
If they do it to their kids it’s
murdernot being infected with the woke mind virusI’m left wing, and I’m stupid, and not by choice either.
Because it’s the dumbest fucking thing they could do that doesn’t show immediate harm to them in the short-term.
I’m sure it’s usually ok. That’s kind of the problem: if they only get sick 1 in 10 times, for example, they won’t connect the two enough to learn their lesson. Humans are dumb that way, and looking at prevalence of disease in the population is apparently now “woke liberal bs”
