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Prosecutors highlighted “about $10,000 — $8,000 in U.S. dollars and then $2,000 in foreign currency that was found on his person,” CNN correspondent Danny Freeman said following the court hearing.
“Also they said that he had a Faraday bag,” which blocks cell signals, a move that prosecutors alleged marked “an indication of criminal sophistication and reason they should hold him on bail,” Freeman continued.
After prosecutors made the claims, Mangione said he would like to “correct two things.”
“I don’t know where any of that money came from — I’m not sure if it was planted. And also, that bag was waterproof, so I don’t know about criminal sophistication,” the suspect said in a statement that suggested police framed him.
His legal fundraiser has raised 27K in the space of a day. Free Luigi.
I don’t believe this guy is guilty. He doesn’t even look like the guy in the photo, whose jacket isn’t even the same color as the shooter, not that it even means anything. That shit’s mass produced just like almost everything else.
Luigi needs to shut up and let his lawyer do the talking for him.
that bag was waterproof
…bruh, the Judge Judy trap?! Falling for the oldest trick in the book.
A LOT of yesterday’s arrest is REALLY suspicious. Dude who could easily have fled the country (for a lot of reasons) and had done such a great job of covering his tracks is sitting in a mickey d’s with his murder weapon and a manifesto.
But… a lot of his social media history (which is not impossible to fake but…) kind of suggests he was very mentally unwell. Which… uh doy? And he is mostly focused on the money (super easy to plant) and the “faraday bag”.
As for the faraday bag? A LOT of dry bags (an internal bag you put electronics and valuables into if you are going to hike in the rain or go rafting/boating) have a metal mesh. Because they need to withstand abrasians either from being near other gear (you would be shocked how much jagged metal is in a backpack when you go on a proper alpine overnight) or just being able to survive falling overboard and bouncing on the end of a rope in rapids. And guess what a metal mesh does?
So he presumably got a dry bag of some form to stash his personal shit in while he stashed the second backpack. And I know plenty of hikers and climbers who learn the fun way that the phone they carried “in case someone needs to get a hold of me” had zero signal the entire time it was protected from the rain.
You know the funny thing about these “ghost guns” is they are untraceable so you don’t know where they came from. The best way to pin them to someone is to “pin” them to that person. This can be through forensics or proximity. In this case the suspect just happens to have a gun whose origins are unknown. Very convenient.
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Wait, people actually do that on accident? They aren’t just making sure their boss can’t call them?
But… a lot of his social media history (which is not impossible to fake but…) kind of suggests he was very mentally unwell.
What are you referring to here? I’m not scouring the internet for all the information I can find but everything I’ve seen so far paints the picture of a perfectly sane person who was fed up with a broken system. I see similar sentiments all over the internet literally every day.
Well he also played this game where you act as an assassin called Among Us…
Is there a decent thread on the facts somewhere? I am still trying to wrap my head around how they connected the subject of the shooting video to the subject of the crime stoppers picture. There are so many diffs it’s like a Mad Magazine bit.
Welcome to the US justice system, where the rules are made up and the facts don’t matter.
Where is the body camera footage?
Until I see it, all of this shit fake news.
Luigi didn’t do shit. They are just trying to pin it on any Italian guy that fits their narrative
Sure he hates health insurance parasites so does 99% of US.
It ain’t a crime!
he hates health insurance parasites so does 99% of US.
That’s a very conservative estimate.
Statistically the 1% are benefiting from the insurance parasites.
Somebody got to own all them shares
Considerably less than that.
“The 1%” is, ironically, a way to protect the elites and keep us divided amongst ourselves. But that ignores the wealth inequality issues and how many people aren’t even “middle class”.
In plenty of states? Making low six figures is already enough to put you as a “one percenter” for your demographic. Especially if you have a partner who makes a similar amount of money. And that scales with cost of living. A couple years ago (during the pandemic) I saw a really good breakdown that basically showed “if you can afford to live on your own, you are probably at least a top 5% earner”
And those people are just as vulnerable to an illness that insurance doesn’t cover.
No. The people benefiting aren’t even the “1%”. It is a ridiculously small percentage of the population.
Because the population of the US is 346.3 million people. One percent of that is about 3.5 million people. You are almost guaranteed to know some “one percenters” and they are probably actually great people who are having a lot of the same struggles as you. Maybe they can afford to buy fast food but they are still only one or two bad days away from being destitute. Which tempers anger and rage and protects the people who actually have the vast majority of the wealth in this country.
My wife and I live on my income (not amazingly but we make do in a suburban part of a lower aide of middle income state) and I’m less than half the 5% threshold for the lowest state.
Interesting to consider that were the 0.01%ers to simply disappear, nobody would miss them at all. And if they were to disappear and their money were to be distributed amongst the rest of us, we would all have significantly improved lives.
Please don’t say fake news. You sound like a far right nutjob. We are better than that.
You can call out news as being fake without being right wing buddo. All mainstream media owned by Sinclair is fake. Anything in between has a narrative they’re trying to achieve. If it ain’t journalism, it’s a dead opinion.
95% of what is out is fake news… You can call it what you want.
Also this ain’t about politics. Both sides use the same tactic lol
Yeah lol that’s my point?
Saying Mangione is a hero implies you’re convinced he’s the killer. Not great…
the original scene in the Sopranos is about Christopher Columbus, so…
Why would someone this meticulous keep the gun that’s could have been ditched? Write out a memefesto like two hours before being caught? Wear the same clothes that could’ve also been directed or burned? This feels like a patsy.
Everyone keeps calling him meticulous and I’m just curious what you found meticulous about it.
His getaway sure was and dropping a bag off that had monopoly money seems more well thought out than “have gun and no change clothes”
I suppose if you think running across the street, riding an e-bike for awhile, and then ditching it in a park is meticulous then we just don’t share a definition of meticulous.
The getaway might not have been as meticulous as the plan leading up to the getaway.
I still wonder if that was actual monopoly money or if they were just talking about Canadian dollars.
The way he fired off those shots was practiced.
Maybe had more targets that he plans to “depose”? Maybe
Fall guy, planted by the mob to give the NYPD credit that they aren’t just a bunch of guys with big bellies keystone copping around, probably they have a deal with a mob boss to not bust their child exploitation ring if they have them some dude who can sit in prison
Because, as many of us pointed out, he was never some super meticulous hitman. He exhibited basic knowledge of firearms and got his stalker on like the ceo what got got was a pretty girl who asked to borrow a pencil that one time in biology class. The rest was taking a bus and wearing a face mask most of the time. It was inevitable that he would be caught unless he fled the country.
Mostly this just highlighted how incompetent cops are. And… might be used to further efforts to just use computer vision and rudimentary “AI” to process security camera footage in the future.
As for why he would keep his gun on him? The manifesto kind of says it all (and, to my knowledge, Luigi has not disputed THAT aspect of it). He wanted to get caught. Probably after making it clear he could have escaped if he wanted to (because getting on a flight out of the US would have been trivial).
To be clear. If he were to have disputed the gun and manifesto I would VERY rapidly be on the side of "cops are planting shit yet again’. But the fact that he hasn’t (to my knowledge) while disputing other potentially planted or misinterpreted evidence puts the kibosh on that.
The play would have been to go to Canada, take the ferry to St. Pierre and Michelon, Then book a flight to France. Going to France from France through Montreal, you’d not have to clear passport control in Canada on your way to France. Although there is a non-stop from St. Pierre direct to Paris. If he didn’t have a bad back, he could have joined the FFL and gotten a new identity and French citizenship. From France, he could go anywhere.
If he wanted to get caught, why would he say the evidence was planted?
He did not say “the” evidence was planted. He said “that” evidence was planted. As in a subset.
And, as I pointed out above, said evidence makes sense. The “faraday bag” is just an intentional misinterpretation. As for the foreign currency? People very much underestimate how much loose cash cops have due to civil forfeiture and it is a really easy way to argue that someone is a flight risk and should not be granted bail.
If he wanted to be caught he could’ve turned himself in though, make it big and public if he wanted that attention.
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Damn. Another Adjustment made, may he never stop Adjusting.
Luigi needs to shut the everloving fark up and let his lawyer do the talking for him. The cops are trolling him with fake evidence and he’s falling for it.
“The gun WASN’T a 32 caliber, it was a 22 rimfire!” etc, etc.
This is the correct answer. If you are arrested by police for ANY REASON, the only word in your vocabulary is now “lawyer”. Remember kids, anything you say or do will be used against you.
I think he wants to go to prison, why else be so sloppy in the final stretch?
Unless the gun was in the backpack Muad’dib ditched, and the cops just chose a random guy to scapegoat with the evidence they hid.
I guess we’ll find out more in the next few weeks
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“I invoke my right to remain silent and have a lawyer.”
It sucks, but sometimes you have to explicitly state you are exercising your rights. Just staying silent doesn’t mean they won’t stop pestering you with questions. Make it clear and concise that that you are demanding your lawyer be present and any further questioning done should be in violation of that right. But you have to make it clear you are invoking it.
Not sometimes, but ALWAYS state that you are invoking your right to remain silent.
Doesn’t matter if it’s one of the states that presumes you are invoking your right, because you might be the court case that decides otherwise this time.
Glad to see this here. In many jurisdictions, if the law doesn’t say it previous rulings do: you must invoke the rights to silence and to counsel.
It sucks but plenty of judges want to give the police every chance they can get, like those dickheads who OK’d forcing people to unlock their phones because “you already gave police your fingerprint”.
While this is generally good advice, it doesn’t apply to public spectacle.
There’s countless cases in the US where public pressure forced the government to drop charges or at least reduce sentences.
This guy has support from 99% of the people. Keeping that support is important to his defense.
They want to upgrade his charge from second-degree murder to first-degree murder, changing it to a murder-for-hire case.
Who are they saying hired him?
They don’t have to. The money they
foundplanted is enough to allow them to say whatever they want. Proving it would be harder.They haven’t gotten that part of their lie figured out yet. Give them some time, they’re only working on two collective brain cells, afterall.
the NYPD are lying about everything. Luigi seems like a cool dude but he’s not the shooter.
Yeah, prosecutors are really trying to smear this guy to look dangerous. Try harder. An RF-blocking bag is just to prevent theft, hacking and protect privacy. I’m a bit confident he’s the guy but I can’t say beyond a reasonable doubt given the circumstances and how the police are incentivised to frame anyone.
Since news reports keep jumping around between a McDonald’s customer and a McDonald’s employee offering the tip, every inconsistency will only bolster this guy’s case. I can make guesses that this guy wanted to get caught or was a little sloppy, but if he says otherwise then finding everything including the gun is a little suspicious. Get him the best lawyer in the biz, I’m sure crowdfunding will cover it many times over.
I’m sure crowdfunding will cover it many times over
I could be OOTL, but I’m a bit puzzled this isn’t happening at a massive scale given the overwhelming support. Anybody got his official Crowd Funding page or whatever you kids use these days?
The usual platforms have been racing to remove any crowdfunding pages for him.
I’m sure someone would do it Pro bono.
My ez-pass transponder came with a faraday bag - clearly ez-pass is a criminal organization
A former employer handed out branded faraday phone and wallet bags as a tchotchke- I must have worked for organized crime.
Oh no, passport faraday bags are all over Amazon - clearly criminal and needs to be shut down
Sadly, the most probable outcome from this is gonna be more privileges to CEOs. After all, they are now exposed to be killed on the streets. Maybe their insurance, as well as their brute salary, will also be way better. And surely, countless jackos are aiming for the vacant position.
Execution suspect. This was an execution done with popular support.
Maybe call it an assassination if uoj want to get political, but its widely recognized to being done in defense of the people. That’s not murder.
Age 20-30, has a good bag to carry thier tech around day to day, dislikes american health insurance, and may be mentally unwell without proper diagnosis; Describes every college student I know.
If the more concrete evidence is you where within a few miles of the incident in NY, as well know NY is not a dense urban city…
It’s all hard to say, rampant distrust of the police means, knowing they are desperate to pin it on anyone, we can’t trust what they say.
About 10,000 -8,000 dollars??? If only that was something that could easily be counted. Why do we need to speculate everything. Ffs
That’s not what it meant, albeit it was worded dumb. It meant $10K total, with 8000 being USD and 2000 being foreign currency.
and then $2,000 in foreign currency
Seems like the typical American Scapegoat™. I wonder what “foreign currency” they’re referring to… Feels like an urge from US authorities to use this case as “muh [placeholder for the name of some imaginary international bogeyman which US authorities believe it’s under their beds right now]”.
“Also they said that he had a Faraday bag,” which blocks cell signals, a move that prosecutors alleged marked “an indication of criminal sophistication
Something that’s one of the most sold products from Amazon, Shopee, AliExpress, among other marketplaces. For example, it’s sold even in some major grocery stores here in Brazil, so I imagine that a similar scenario happens in the US.
It’s got protection especially for contactless cards (so these cards can’t be used at a distance for paying things the cardholder isn’t aware of), and it generally offers some water protection (it’s not expected to be diving together at some beach with the cardholder, but it’d definitely offer some protection against spills and minimal soaked clothes due to rain, for example).
They don’t need to plant money. The physical evidence is more than enough.
Aimt it amazing how this guy gets caught with a full evidence package for prosecution?
Where is the body camera footage of the arrest?
Hmmm
In due course.
Was that the rally cry at Uvalde, too? How anyone can rust the fucking cops after that display is beyond me.
Trust the process 🤡
They just want to make it look like he’s a flight risk so he is held without bail.
Nobody is going to give him bail. Murder charge.
What? People being charged with murder get bail all the time.
Here’s two examples, because I was searching for the second and misremembered his last name as “Perry” instead of “Penny”, but conveniently there was another person subjected to a murder charge who also had a bail set.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/02/us/austin-blm-protest-shooting-indictment/index.html
Those aren’t charges of Murder 1.
Neither is the charge for Mangione.
The charges haven’t been brought as of yet from NY. The paperwork is not done.
What, do you think the DA doesn’t know what charges they’ll file? Or that the judge in PA is making his judgment on bail based not on stated intentions, but charges that no one has even mentioned?
Seems pretty circumstantial to me so far.
They’ve got DNA, fingerprints and probably the gun. I wouldn’t call that circumstantial
That’s all circumstantial evidence.
But then again, circumstantial evidence simply means “not eyewitness evidence”. It does not mean “unreliable evidence”, and people are convicted all the time based on circumstantial evidence.
There were people on the street. He isn’t the first person found guilty and wearing a mask.
Sure, it’s possible someone present at the murder could identify him. But it’s not necessary. He wouldn’t be the first person found guilty based on video footage.
Sure, but the prosecution will probably use both.
That’s what they said… Do you believe everytbing government and media tells you now?
Well I don’t believe everything is a conspiracy
Ohh will pulling this old reliable…
Politics and accusations of conspiracy isnhow conversation is generally derailed online haja
