“We are raising funds to support a critical legal defense in the fight against unchecked corporate power and a system that continues to favor the few over everyone else. This case isn’t just about one individual—it’s about challenging a status quo that protects the interest of the powerful at the expense of justice and fairness,” read one of the fundraising pages that was quickly removed by GoFundMe.
This seems hypocritical to me, but also I would caution against anyone supporting a GoFundMe or any crowdfunding with a high profile persons name on it because I wouldn’t trust the organizer to just take the money and run.
A community effort to send in handwritten checks is probably the safer bet. If his public defender is worth anything (unlikely), they’ll try to use the public support to hire a stronger legal defense team.
Did they allow Rittenhouse to use GoFundMe?
Surely, Luigi is innocent until proven guilty too.
When you’re only targeting poor people, they let you do it. You can kill anyone.
Just checked on that because I was curious. Looks like they only allowed fundraising for Rittenhouse once he had been acquitted.
Thanks. Looks like there are more right wing places people can donate. Who would have thought I would be willing to use such a site.
Rittenhouse is still a murderer, you can’t change my mind.
Pro-tip: It’s not self-defense if you started the fight.
My take is that he is innocent according to the laws of the USA, which I don’t live in. Morally, yes it was a bit odd to attend a riot with a hunting rifle, but again - not American.
No, they didn’t. This is the part where you realize cheering on control of one side will come back to bite your side eventually. Now the only path he’ll have are those conservative-based fundraiser sites. Funny how that works out
One side? Luigi is a right winger, likely, or at least a libertarian.
That was misinformation meant to turn us against him.
We are all working class.
Have you read the details on his family? He is very much not. But anyone willing to stand with the working class is welcome.
Don’t care, we have the same class interests.
Eh? I never cheered anything on. If anything I would want all sides to be treated equally. Either you’re allowed to open a fund me for criminal defence or you’re not.
I don’t choose what I support based on my political leaning and I think anybody that does is a dishonest person.
Edit: I was merely asking a question as I recall funds being raised for Rittenhouse, I just didn’t recall which site.
This is why we have cryptocurrencies
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If he’s actually the guy, money does help with defense fees.
If he’s not actually the guy, money will absolutely help with defense fees.
Edit: If you’re seriously thinking of donating, wait. Ain’t nothing happened yet.
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You really think him and his family have anywhere near the amount of money the medical insurance industry has?
He doesn’t.
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How does that change what he did?
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It’s not about the money, it’s about the message
Absolutely a double standard but an easy to imagine one. I was just thinking how the right used GoFundMe for that racist prick Rittenhouse (among others).
Can we just have our class warfare already? It’s ok to kill black folks not heaven forbid you actually eat the rich.
GoFundMe also removed fundraisers for Rittenhouse’s legal defense.
The ban was only lifted after he was acquitted.
There is a lesson in there… Learn it
What’s most ironic to me is that gofundme is often used by those who have been denied insurance coverage to get help to pay for medical treatment. I guess at this point they’re just dipping into the “please support the salt party, as slugs for salt, that’s where we want our money to go.”
The US healthcare system being fucked is literally GoFundMe’s sole business case.
Don’t eat the rich, that’s inefficient (and unappetizing, as the vast majority are a majority of plastic, etc.) Use them as fertilizer and feed the world. 🤌🏼 Get that polymer-eating mycelium, and we’re really cookin’ without a fossil-fueled doom, eh?
That’s gold that doesn’t need to be mined.
Stoned me can often be quite clever, and thank you. 🙇🏽♂️🖖🏽
Stoned isn’t education and that was clearly the content of the latter.
Sorry, I’m not sure I follow. “Stoned isn’t education”?
Well if it’s Durban Poison or some derivative hybrid then you may be drawn to what TO pay attention to but your use seems to attribute the sort of Indica being in play which basically just deteriorates any you may have left right off the bat.
You’re of intuitive understanding and being stoned doesn’t attribute to one’s ability in such. Not that you aren’t rather that you are so well knowledge of the matter that even if such were, you can, as you seem to have called, are so well knowing that even that is unable to tear from the wells of your immediate comprehension .
It was quite the attempt to complement in a sense of despite your own claim.
Thank you for the compliment and the word salad? 😅🤓
Don’t eat the rich, they’re full of parasites
Don’t eat the rich, they’re
full ofparasitesThough, that’s needlessly unkind to parasites in general. 🤷🏽♂️
good.
You must be one of those temporarily embarrassed billionaires.
i wish i was a billionaire so i could donate it to feed starving children.
If that’s what you’re passionate about (helping others) you will never be a billionaire.
They only like to pretend to do good things to try and whitewash their reputation.
good because i never want to be rich. money corrupts people.
Yet you’re not a fan of removing that corruption (cancer) from the Earth by violent means.
I wonder if you think any other means could be used to remove such people from power, as from what I can see people protest and are violently crushed, people can try political means (Bernie/Corbyn) and the media machine will come out in force to slander them, people can march but will be vilified for causing a nuisance.
It seems to me like violence is the only thing that can spur on a revolution. Hello Syria, Libya, Hamas, the Americans kicking out my country over taxes.
well Americans can do as they wish. Up here in Canada I’m just going to not condone violence.
I am not American either, they don’t have a monopoly on violence, well geo-politically they might do actually.
Anyway, as I said in the other thread I don’t judge you and was just interested in hearing another perspective, as clearly I am anti-social to some degree, so it’s interesting to hear from people who are not.
On Lemmy? As if. Most likely just another billionaire wannabe.
Why good? Genuinely curious.
Do you only support murder if it’s systemic and done in the interests of shareholders?
i don’t support murder at all.
Glad the scale tips the other way.
what does this mean?
Fair, even if I think it’s a little naive.
Say, a man is going to go and murder an entire city and to stop him you must kill him. You’re saying you wouldn’t support that and would be happy for a whole city to die instead?
So your saying the CEO of United healthcare murdered people? Then he should of been charged. People should not be Judge Dredd.
I am saying the system he helped caused people to die that did not need to die. I am saying it causes untold suffering to their families and friends.
It seems to me that systemic suffering is fine as long as shareholder value is increased.
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
- JFK
I live my life similar to Luigi, although to a lesser extent. In that I don’t let things like the law dictate what I will and will not do, more that I will weigh up the pros and cons of a particular action. When a person doesn’t believe the world is being run morally we will go off our own morals of what we believe is right and I truly believe the world would be a better place if certain people were not in it anymore. If you can kill 1 person and it improves the lives of say 100 people , then have at it and kill that sob.
If you were in a room with Hitler before he came to power and you some how knew what he would go on to do, are you saying you wouldn’t have killed him?
Would i Kill Hitler? no, because i am not one to take someone’s life. I don’t think anyone has that right. and if it’s committed, they will be tried in court and thrown away in jail.
Appreciate your honesty, even if I think it’s a little misguided.
I would have put a bullet in Hitler’s head without hesitation if I knew how many people he would go on to kill, I actually think it would be my responsibility to make the world a better place.
If I was tried for that crime and sentenced to life in prison, then I would accept that as the cost of doing the right thing.
Now I imagine Luigi wrestled with the same things and is happy to face charges for doing what he thought was right and I find that admirable, much more admirable than letting someone like Hitler cause millions of deaths because I didn’t want to get my hands dirty.
I want you to know I am not judging you and I support your belief in your morals and where you draw the line, I just wanted to open a discussion as someone who is somewhere on the ASPD spectrum, it always interests me what lines people have and their reasons for them.
Have a nice day. 😊
You believe you came to this value alone but it’s the kind of passivity the ruling class wants you to demonstrate. “Nobody is above the law” is another one, but the US just elected a 34-time felon.
Starting to see things any more clearly yet? If not, look inward. Harder…
This reeks of privilege.
Murder only applies to humans
Yes and?
Sorry, didn’t realize you couldn’t pick up on the subtext. I’m implying that the rich aren’t human.
i agree.
Bootlicker
naw, not my type of fetish, im more into licking other things
This situation has me pondering 2 hypotheticals.
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How long until people start posting the names of individuals perceived as traitors (eg the McSnitch, the journalists shilling for Thomson, the politicians leading the charge against Mangione, etc)?
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Can he realistically be tried at all? A broad cross section of people are really supportive of Mangione. We’re in such a weird timeline that I could potentially imagine groups like Black Block and Proud Boys standing side-by-side on this one.
If they could get bank robbers convicted in the 1920’s they’ll get someone to convict Mangione. Unfortunately the offline world is a lot more split about this.
Have they proven to that Luigi was the guy who killed trigger?
We have seen nothing to prove this.
Doesnt need to be, they have already turned him into the lightning rod. Regardless of his innocence or guilt he is the focus now.
It’s weird that one of the pieces of evidence used to arrest him was finding a “Ghost Gun, cheap 3D Printed Firearm meant to be discarded after a single use! Recently used!”
Which is incredibly sus, why would he still have that after leaving the state?
That just screams “Planted evidence”
It’s a 3d printed Glock lower. It’s not meant to be discarded after a single use any more than a regular polymer lower would be
- buckle up shits gonna get weird.
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During the Great Depression, people were so angry at banks that they rooted for bank robbers. Things are so bad now that we’re just straight up rooting for cold-blooded executions. Censoring people’s online activities won’t make this anger go away. The genies out of the bottle now, and if billionaires don’t want any more dead CEOs, there will need to be fundamental, radical changes to our society.
if billionaires don’t want any more dead CEOs, there will need to be fundamental, radical changes to our society.
OR…they raise premiums to pay for more security.
I mean, I’m sure they will, but I doubt it will make a difference. Trump almost got it twice this summer. He’s only alive because he was incredibly lucky the first time, and the second time, the shooter was incompetent. Meanwhile, in the last 25 years, schools have added metal detectors, more police, active shooter drills, and bullet-proof walls, but it’s only amounted to security theater. I’m sure there will never be another assassin who escapes and leads police on a 5-day manhunt, but there are too many guns in America to prevent a guy with a death wish from gunning down a CEO or billionaire.
The genies out of the bottle now, and if billionaires don’t want any more dead CEOs, there will need to be fundamental, radical changes to our society.
I don’t expect radical changes. I expect them to make the minimal concessions they believe to be enough to make people just happy enough to not depose more CEOs
That’d still be helpful, last time they gave us “Just enough to put down the pitchforks.”
That was the “New Deal”
I actually don’t expect CEOs and billionaires to make any concessions. Honestly, this is how I imagine the next few years going:
Right now, billionaires are waking up to the fact that the majority of Americans want them dead. CEOs will start beefing up security while politicians and pundits try to spin this, and they’ll all hope this was a one-off. It won’t be. Sure, there probably won’t be another assassin who escapes and leads police on a five day manhunt, but there will surely be a guy with an AR-15 who takes out billionaire or CEO before getting gunned down himself by cops or private security.
Billionaires will start lobbying for protections from Congress, probably through special treatment from federal law enforcement and a push for gun control. This will only further enrage the public, who have faced mass shootings in schools and churches without any response. On top of that, the Trump administration is gearing up for an era of naked corruption, which is going to make the billionaire class even less popular
All in all, I think we’re heading towards a period of political instability and violence. Maybe it will end with public rage being channeled into a series of reforms like FDR managed with the New Deal. Maybe we’ll devolve even further into oligarchy and authoritarianism as American society collapses. Either way, I think there will be radical change.
Anyway, that’s my theory. Maybe I’m wrong, and this will be a blip, but I don’t think so. This feels like a very different, very significant moment.
Reddit just banned me for saying I support Luigi in his monster slaying quest and hope there’s more heroes out there.
Say, what’s the Lemmy policy on being real? I don’t really care. I’ll say it in person as well as any online platform, and if I’m banned from them all then I’ll just read books and shit.
then I’ll just read books and shit.
That’s how I use the toilet!
It depends on the instance. I just left Lemmy.World because of their euro- centric pro-censorship stance of educating people on the existence and explanation of jury nullification.
That’s what I’m on since I’m not really too well read on Lemmy yet and it was the most popular. Any suggestions for a good instance that can be readily joined where we have some semblance of freedom of speech? I mean, I’m far from a terribly hateful person but I’m not going to pretend I’m upset when a bad person dies, and I also like discussing internet piracy and such. I just wish for Reddit circa 2008. Heh.
I‘m a piracy fan and I‘m on dbzer0 instance as it‘s an offshoot of r/piracy. I barely post and lurk more, so I don‘t really know how they‘d moderate on the Luigi situation. The owner seems to be an anarchist and historically anarchist action wasn‘t all peaceful, most anarchists seem to support a “diversity of tactics” one of which is violence. Which makes sense to me, it’s like self defense cause what Americans are dealing with here is structural violence and what looks like zero hope for change.
We very much support deny, delay depose policy
Violence is very unfortunately the only way the world ever changes substantially. We deify our own nations’ founders as legendary revolutionaries when they used violence as their primary tool. We understand why the French had their revolution. We root for the anti-heroes in films. But then I’m supposed to be silent when I see somebody finally taking action in a meaningful way against some greedy sociopathic pig? I’m supposed to be okay with platforms silencing me and telling me I’m wrong for thinking this way after decades of being beaten down by these types?
Well, I’m not upset that CEO is dead. I like it. I hope somebody guns down another every week. Gives me a rock hard justice boner. And if speaking like this gets me banned from online social media then maybe it’s for the best. Spend way too much time on it anyways. Haha.
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Telling people that jury nullification exists isn’t a problem, I’ve done that ad nauseam on .world. The problem is connecting it to calls for violence, as a way of encouraging people to cross that line.
That’s some old bullshit
Attention all Luigi supporters!
Lemmy.world’s policy is to remove comments and posts that advocate for violence. And imprisonment is a violent act. If you see a post on lemmy.world advocating for Luigi’s imprisonment, report it and leave a comment explaining how it advocates for violence.
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Is it? I am indeed happy that CEO died. He deserved it. Fuck him.
Is Lemmy basically just Reddit Junior then? No real improvements to freedom of speech? More moderators being over zealous and deleting posts and banning people left and right and controlling the narrative? I don’t really know what this place is all about I guess. I’m not like super hateful or anything but I’m not going to pretend I’m on the side of monsters who ruin the world for profit. I fit in beautifully on Reddit circa 2008.
Looks like TikTok is the only place you can actually be a real mother fucker and my country is shutting that down soon. What a bummer.
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Yup, here’s hoping. With a little luck, some would-be mass shooters will also hopefully reconsider their objectives after seeing how much love Luigi is getting and at least go out doing something positive for society instead of shooting innocent people. School shootings are so 1998 and real virgin behavior.
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Yes, I 100% know why I was banned by a corporate website that abandoned the policy of free speech they were founded on years ago. I don’t care. I’m done playing nice and thinking and saying what I’m “supposed to.” Fuck these people and all who lick their boots.
My question is what is Lemmy about? Can I say I’m glad that CEO got shot and I hope it becomes a new positive trend in the world here? Cause that’s my honest take, and it’s been so refreshing to see that it’s the predominant take among friends, family, and coworkers in the real world as well. We think Luigi is just great.
On tiktok youre a real motherf🐈er lmao
Lemmy is just the software that runs on various instances (servers) that all talk together.
I like to think Lemmy is the multiverse version of Reddit. Don’t like your instance and admins? Join a new instance.
Thank you. I was told by another user to try an anarchist instance. It’s not like I’m some hate-monger or even at all abrasive. I’d just like to see the kind of freedom we had on Reddit in 2008 where the community is allowed to moderate itself outside of some obvious exceptions. We didn’t know how good we had it then. Peak days of online discussion.
I have genuinely started to dislike the internet as a whole in the last couple of years, where everyone is trying to be "familiar-friendly " and “corporate-friendly” like wtf? Even I’ve got enough shadow bans on me(especially on the ones by google) that I’ve almost got a strange gut reaction when using a swear word, to stop and consider if it’s going to get me banned. But atleast I’d be able to say what I want. Even then, I’m just so much more happy that I can type out long-ass 10 page rants and it would not be considered a spam, just because of being long on reddit and eternity. Also, fuck lemmy world mods for censorship.
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Maybe you don’t, but I do…
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Depends on the instance, I hear LemmyWorld doesn’t really like it.
Pretty sure it’s a by-server or by-community basis, but I’ve seen nothing but support for him on here
There are various actors trying to least descalate the support and others who painted him as murder esp starting today.
They are mirroring fake news arguments to split the support. Their play here depends on their ability to do so.
Fever has died down too.
He is already cooked from their perspective but I still don’t buy he was in fact the guy who pulled the trigger
I’ve seen some people try to say he was a Far-Right loon who had a shrine to the messiah himself, Jordan Peterson.
I saw a laughably bad article on MSN that basically said “Won’t someone think of the billionaires and ban video games before someone kills again? This guy played Among Us ya know!”
You guys use MSN?
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Like that’s ever gonna happen. There are and will always be boot lickers that’ll do anything for money.
It’s a real shame they all end up in congress too.
They get put there don’t just end in a position of power
One ended up working on a McDonalds. Fucking traitor
Like how banks became institutions dedicated to the public good following the Depression?
More like how FDR used the banks’ need for government assistance to force regulation on them through the 1933 Banking Act and the Glass-Steagall Act.
The Glass-Steagall Act that was repealed and now banks are more out-of-control than ever?
Yes, proof that reforming capitalism is wasted effort. You can only delay end stage capitalism reforms, not prevent it.
Yes. A decade after it was repealed, we had the largest financial collapse since it was enacted, and now we’re dealing with higher income inequality than we had during the Gilded Age. What part of this is meant to invalidate my point?
I’m refuting the idea that fanservice leads to lasting institutional change.
The fact that we’re in the shitter because the change didn’t stick kinda proves my point.
Well, A) the point isn’t that, “fan service,” created this change. It’s that people’s willingness to side with outlaws over institutions is a good barometer of public anger, and based on the United Healthcare killing, people are fucking pissed. B) FDR passed banking reform and social welfare programs that created decades of economic stability and only lost their efficacy after half a century of conservative attacks chipped away at them. I’m not sure why you think a historical example of the sort of fundamental, radical change in talking about doesn’t count just because the Baby Boomers fucked it all up.
Billionaires deserve to live in fear.
Billionaires should not exist. Tax them out of existence. If they don’t exist, they won’t be vigilante targets.
Being poor is a fate worse then death for a billionaire.
All the more reason to make them poor.
Yeah, billionaires! We’re just trying to help you!
It shouldn’t just be a cap either. Net worth topping $1B should just be a reset button. Automatic bankruptcy. It should be something to actively fear and avoid, not just a score to max out.
No they don’t.
Deserve to live I mean.
I will not elaborate further.
Nah they deserve to live, as a treaf. Plus I want to see what happens to person when you pour lemon juice into their open chest cavity while theyre awake.
“In fear” are the key words here.
If I stole hundreds of dollars from people in my town and my name was public information, I’d be scared shitless.
Billionaires steal millions and not just in dollars. The way I see it, Luigi took out a serial killer, not a businessman.
I would like to remind everyone that while I do wish the worst for billionaires, I do not legally condone violence of any kind. I will however smile if I hear about bad things happening to bad people.
We’ve been here before with wikileaks. I believe there’s a certain digital solution that many of us discovered around that time.
One might also want to consider the possibility that this is not the shooter or he is a patsy. Not that you shouldn’t support them in any of these cases. Just be aware as this [word like shitshow but that doesn’t do it justice] develops.
This. The guy in the thumbnail is now the face of anti establishment and the subject of desire by thousands, regardless of whether he did it or not. It’s a different guy.
The blue maga conspiracy theories begin!
Pretty sure this one crosses ideological boundaries and has support with standard MAGAts as well.
Huh? Isn’t he entitled to the best defence he can get?
Innocent until proven guilty, remember.
Innocent until I abolish the state kinetically
I was going to make a joke about how crowd funding legal fees is only OK for ex presidents and right wings nutjobs, but I thought somebody might not understand the sarcasm and agree.
Canada shut down banking for the redneck convoy…
Any time the regime is challenged, you can’t use your money
If he’s got money which according to reports his family does, then they can hire the best lawyer they can afford. If he doesn’t have money then he gets an overworked public defender juggling 30 cases.
More like 100
he should make a patreon page to support his art.
I know it’s off-topic but your instance’s name makes me feel uneasy.
I get that a lot. I just like what originalucifer wrote in the about and faq. If I did not already have a handle I have been having fun with for awhile I would make one inspired by his.
Somebody should create a page for Green Mario. might fly under the radar until some snitch squeals.
He is from a wealthy family… Until you see something formal. Don’t waste your money.
Lemmy: “EAT THE RICH!”
Also Lemmy: “I DEMAND THE RIGHT TO DONATE MONEY TO THE RICH!”
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp9nxee2r0do
"He attended a private, all-boys high school in Baltimore, called the Gilman School, according to school officials. Mr Mangione was named as the valedictorian, which is usually the student with the highest academic achievements in a class.
He comes from a prominent family in the Baltimore area whose businesses include a country club and nursing homes, according to local media.
He is reportedly the cousin of Republican state lawmaker Nino Mangione."
‘Eat the rich’ because as a class they take everything and give nothing. Cancer. They sow an unfathomable amount of death and suffering in the name of greed.
An individual from a rich family who just gave up his freedom to slay a healthcare equivalent of a tyrant? Yeah that’s not the person ‘eat the rich’ is talking about.
100%. systemic problems != personal problems. It is just bigotry to assume that because somebody was born with or without money that they fit some cookie cutter definition of a rich person or a poor person. Demonize the system, not the people. People can only be praised/blamed for their individual actions.
was named as the valedictorian, which is usually the student with the highest academic achievements in a class.
“This guy was the smartest person in school, get him!”
Fuck off.
Edit: Alternatively, “Robin Hood was the best marksmen, get him!”
Robin Hood was also Robin of Loxley, originally a nobleman. It is entirely possible, however unlikely, for people born into money/status to turn out decent.
That’s my point.
We’re in agreement :)
Absolutely. FDR did more for the working class than perhaps any other president, and he was absolutely filthy rich. Adjusted for inflation he’d be a billionaire today.
His upbringing doesn’t necessarily mean anything with regard to current state. My grandparents were rich and I was homeless. They put my dad and his siblings through uni (though have since disowned one), but I have student loans. Maybe he is still close and has access to all that money, but this feels a bit jump-to-conclusion-y
Is this what having 0 understanding of class struggle looks like?
This is the same mod who said he didn’t support BLM because they sometimes inconvenienced him.
Ofc it’s a mod.
To be clear, he’s not a mod of this community, but he is a mod of at least a few others. There’s an interview running around Lemmy that featured him. He’s not a good person.
Keep in mind, everyone, jordanlund is the same guy who said he didn’t like BLM because they sometimes inconvenienced him.
No, I don’t like BLM because they only care about black lives when white cops are the perpetrators.
You have a black kid killed somewhere by gang violence? BLM is suddenly fucking silent.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Hadiya_Pendleton
https://www.chicagotribune.com/2015/12/31/dunbar-slayings-prompt-a-rethinking-of-black-lives-matter/
“bUt WhAt AbOuT bLaCk On BlAcK cRiME?”
I mean, last time you said it was because they inconvenienced you on the way to work, but I guess that wasn’t racist enough this time?
That was one time, this is speaking in general.
BLM don’t actually care about black lives. They care about the attention.
Talking about a little girl who got killed in a gang shooting won’t drive the clicks, views, and donations.
Did you read either of the links I posted? Here’s the stat you will NEVER hear from BLM:
1 in 40,000 white deaths is a homicide. It’s 1 in 5,000 black deaths.
Why am I the one having to tell you this? Why isn’t BLM shouting it from the rooftops?
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It’s because…
Police kill Black people at disproportionate rates
Though nationwide statistics are less readily available, multiple studies have found that police kill Black people at disproportionate rates.
A study in the American Journal of Preventative Medicine in 2016 examined all 812 fatalities that resulted from use of lethal force by on-duty law enforcement from 2009-2012 in 17 states. The study used National Violent Death Reporting System data.
The majority of victims were white people, at 52%, but “black victims were over-represented (32.4%) relative to the U.S. population.” The fatality rate was 2.8 times higher among Black victims than white victims.
So yes, police violence against PoC in the US is overrepresented by almost 3x the rate of white victims. It’s a major issue. Black on black crime is also a major issue but that is also correlated with poverty in general. So they aren’t the same issue at all, and BLM are free to advocate for whatever specific issues they want to focus on, because they can’t possibly have the resources to take action on every form of hateful discrimination that PoC face on a daily basis (like poor access to healthcare and worse treatment than white patients when they do get medical care, to name another couple of examples).
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Oh, so you think it’s totally OK to ignore when black people are murdered by people other than white cops? Good to know.
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Because you disagree with someone who thinks all black lives matter, not just the ones killed by white cops. Got it.
