Apart from the bird flu being really fucking dangerous raw milk is just a matter of being used to it. If you drink it your whole life it is really not a problem to drink it, as long as a proper hygiene is applied. However, aomeone who isn’t used to it might get sick from drinking it.
Just seen this is in lemmy.world - home of the big brains who are experts IN EVERYTHING. Makes sense why a factually accurate statement gets downvoted.
Raw milk can contain dangerous bacteria like salmonella, E. coli, Listeria, Campylobacter, and others.
Sounds yummy
I know a guy who got tuberculosis from raw milk.
And that’s why I said as long as proper hygiene is being practised. This also includes separating the milk from sick cows.
Also, to kind of prove my point: Every single farmer I know, that has cows, drinks the raw milk. Did they die or get sick? No. Does this mean that nobody will get sick? Also no.
What’s the name of the cow you get your raw milk from?
Do you get a veterinary report about her with every bottle of milk?
I can name you at least 30 of them. How do I know? Because I live on their farm.
Username checks out.
Sadly the ‘factory farm’ dairy industry probably won’t follow the proper hygiene you’re referring to, and I’d imagine that the current administration would be more interested in reducing the regulations that would force proper hygiene than increase them.
I can’t say anything about the hygienic standards for milk production in the US, but i absolutely agree with you, that under trump such laws will probably get weakened.
This has to be the way to (possibly literally) die on a hill. There’s simply no downside to pasteurization. It effectively inactivates dangerous pathogens because, unless you have a cow in your back yard and can strictly adhere to your supposed “hygiene” protocols that magically negate the safe and reliable process of we’ve been using for well over a century… you know what, no. Your take is just ratfuck insane.
Pasteurisation has one hell of a downside. The taste. Raw milk tastes much better than pasteurized Milk. That’s at least my opinion.
Don’t forget delicious parasites and their eggs.
Quit saying objectively stupid shit that will get people killed. Jesus Christ.
This isn’t an opinion, it’s a hazard.
“I think that allowing my child to go play in traffic really isn’t that bad”. Look if your stupid ass commits suicide by raw milk, fine, but there are people who don’t know all the facts who might listen to you, and you might be directly responsible for getting the idea into their heads that, when acted upon, kills them. That’s close enough to murder by any sensible ethical standard.
Quit it.
If raw milk is as dangerous as some of the keyboard experts on here think then Louis Pasteur would never have been born - humans would’ve died out in Northern Europe long before.
Actually, people DID die from these pathogens, in droves, before pasteurization. Most of those didn’t get a chance to “get used” to it, because they were CHILDREN, who hadn’t had a lifetime to get used to it. They’d get sick from this, and either die of some foodborne pathogen, or an opportunistic infection taking advantage of their weakened immune system would kill them off - scarlet fever, mumps, measles, tuberculosis, etc.
It’s not just “well if you drink it you die”. Thousands would likely die from this - in fact, if you pay attention to the raw milk weirdo cultists on Facebook and other outlets, their kids do get sick and die way more often, usually because those people also don’t believe in things like modern medicine. Combine everything ABOVE with a man who has literally stated, multiple times, on microphone, that modern medicine is a sham and he’d love to see the whole modern pharmaceutical industry disappear, and one hopes you can begin to see where the “fear mongering” is coming from, logically.
Yes. I wish more people were like you. What you wrote is correct. It Is far more nuanced than the crowd here are saying, as you acknowledge. I hope people take onboard what you posted. The only reason so many of us are alive is because of pasteurisation, vaccines (I assume the word is related to cows), modern medicine, biocides etc. To move away from these things, en masse, would cull a huge proportion of people. There’s a reason families pumped out 10-15 kids - they hoped a few would get to adulthood.
I’ve buried children, under those circumstances, and it’s the saddest fucking thing I’ve ever done.
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Exactly. You need to build a “tolerance” to it… as you yourself, being a dairy/beef farmer (I assume) know.
trump’s appointments are in the style “Who is the worst person i know for the job that lives inside my colon?”
if Pablo Escobar was still alive, he’d probably have been appointed head of the DEA
He’s Colombian, that won’t fly for Trump
El chapo is a better candidate
Junior’s gonna get that job.
It’s delicious! Give you diarrhea sometimes though.
Trump wants the population to be closer to 100 million. He said that before the start of one of his press conferences to a journalist … something to the effect that “we could use 2/3 less of all of you.”
He is willing to kill off a lot of us to make his life easier. The USA elected a right wing Pol Pot.
And if you kill off brown people, you solve their demographic “issue” (it’s not actually an issue, they’re just racists). Two birds with one stone.
You’ll work harder with a gun in your back,
For a bowl of rice a day,
Slave for soldiers til you starve,
Then your head is skewered on a stake
Now you can go where people are one
Now you can go where they get things done
What you need, my son
What you need, my son
Is a holiday in the USA
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bigworm brainIf by “big” you mean “inflamed”.
The term you’re looking for is holy…
hole milk?
I’ve got some… Nope! Not gonna finish that sentence! 😄
Dude’s brain (RFK Jr.) literally has holes in it, a worm ate a chunk of his brain out.
This isn’t even a joke, keep up with the news…
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Sorry… you think milk makes people stupid?
No, I think only stupid people could possibly slurp down breast milk meant for babies of a completely different species.
the only thing dairy milk is “meant” for is “whatever the farmer wants”. it could meant to drink or sell or give to the calves.
Yeah, cows evolved to provide milk not for their young but for the farmers. Good job genius!
they were selectively bred to provide milk for us.
an anti-vegan commie… interesting
What a bizarre superiority complex to have just because you don’t like animal cruelty.
I don’t like animal cruelty either, but I know enough about history to know that massive civilizations were built by people who used dairy products.
But hey, let’s extend this to other groups. Like all the indigenous tribes in the world that hunt for their food.
Or how about the Maasai? They literally cut their cows and drink their blood. Those stupid backward black people, am I right?
You’re definitely superior to any of those savages from the dark continent.
Oh yeah we should totally use history as our reference point for the majority of us on Lemmy living in the modern world where it’s super unnecessary to continue abusing animals, that totally makes sense.
Your words:
No, I think only stupid people could possibly slurp down breast milk meant for babies of a completely different species.
You did not specify ‘the majority of us on Lemmy living in the modern world.’ You said people.
So either all of those indigenous people are stupid or you said something very silly. You decide which.
Great you just turned more people from your cause
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Normally vegans don’t want to increase the suffering of animals, but sounds like you’re good with that as long as you get to feel superior now
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We get it, you’re vegan. We can tell by the smugness and the pretentious virtue signaling.
How is it virtue signalling when it prevents the deaths of many animals.
Breaking news: hunger is solved by people furiously typing at their keyboards.
You’re right, tho. But what are we gonna do about the smugness?
Calling others who reduce animal suffering as smug is not the own you think it is.
It’s not the message, it’s the delivery.
The truth always stings.
where are the animals it prevented from dying?
And you’re a dumbass
Oops, I think I hit the nail on the head and it squeaked.
Someone is having trouble admitting they’re wrong.
Are they not vegan? But if it talks and walks like one…
Also, holy shit the Avengers assembled.
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Can’t say I like it having never done it. I gather you don’t recommend it?
Eating the flesh and secretions against the consent of the animals is enjoying torture.
Is it now? Aren’t they dead by then?
I’m just saying, accusing people of enjoying torture is exactly the smug attitude I’m criticizing. You can take your better-than-thou attitude and shove it.
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you are stretching definitions to meaninglessness. no one likes torture.
We get it, you copied some Reddit comment a long time ago and that’s your default retort.
Maybe I copy-pasted it from the deepest entrails of my brain. Who knows? Even I can’t tell ya.
But I did think of it, reworded it, and then edited it, so…
If I and my friends and family could be certain of getting immunized against the inevitable H5N1 pandemic, this wouldn’t bother me so much. But RFK jr. will combat the flu with honey and whole grains and the death toll will make Covid look like a cold. Thinning the herd. Maybe we’ll get lucky and RFK jr & Trump and his true believers will get it first.
Hilariously, they’ll be culling their own herd, so to speak. You just know the MAGAts will never wear masks again, even to save their own lives.
Only if there’s things like vaccines for the rest of us, which we only got when we did due to the government.
Fair point. It’s going to be an absolute shitshow. If worm brain and felon fuckrat eviscerate the FDA, I don’t even know vaccines would continue to exist in the US.
Certainly, pharmaceuticals have a vested interest in continuing to produce them. Best case, they defer to regulatory standards from other nations and the FDA becomes a rubber stamp agency. Worst case, they’re allowed to peddle dangerous products without proper trialing.
The biotech industry is already extremely nervous: https://www.axios.com/2024/11/15/rfk-jr-uncertainty-biotech-startups
They don’t like this at all, with the hope being RFK just focuses on other stuff.
Or… it could make investor money fly away and collapse the US biotech industry. Great.
Wait, so Trump was actually serious about this, and not just baiting him for election support? Like, seriously?
I’m fairly certain, they just all got together to make a list of all the stupid things they could do to own the libs.
The neat thing about this one, is that It only hurts the people that are going to follow him. The people who didn’t vote for that side know better.
You would hope so, but there’s just as many ‘crunchy’ people on the left as there are in the right.
Mfw the lefty “natural” bullshit peddled by health nuts gets tacit approval from my conservative parents trying to eat “traditionally” aka raw everything.
Get ready, there’s going to be a whole lot of peeling off the warning labels.
I wonder, well they outright outlaw vaccines, or they just be privatized only…
RFK’s version of the conspiracy is that vaccines are a scam inflicted by private pharma. Given his druthers, he would probably outlaw not just vaccines, but all corporation-produced medicine.
I suspect he’s just preparing to make the pharmaceutical lobby pay their dues.
If the state were to fund it adequately… I find little flaw with it.
Most of those people are now all in for Trump. I’m not even sure I’d call them “left” in the way that people mean anyway, even before they became Trump supporters.
Yeah, my anarchocommunist cousin had to have explosive diarrhea like half a dozen times before she’d admit it was raw milk causing it.
Anarchists are not known for acknowledging the benefits of government regulation.
She is VERY fortunate that she didn’t get much sicker!
Unfortunately, vaccines aren’t all 100% protective. And there are people who get the disease even though they were vaccinated. That means that the idiots who don’t get vaccinated can spread the virus to people who wouldn’t have gotten sick otherwise. Which of course doesn’t mean that vaccination is bad, only that it is not perfectly protective. For example, I have had all the Covid vaccinations up to the day I got Covid. I only knew I had Covid because my wife, who was one booster behind me, got sick with Covid so even though I felt fine, I tested and saw that I also had Covid. But the vaccine kept me from getting sick.
We should stop posting about Trump and his group of extraordinary morons.
The news cycle thrives on Trump, as every decision he makes manages to anger half the population, while the other half cheers him on simply to annoy liberals and progressives. This dynamic generates more clicks and ad revenue for news outlets, allowing Trump to continue making foolish decisions just to remain in the spotlight.
The only way to change this is to stop giving him space in the news.
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never hear about this being his fault
see it on the shelf
Cool, I might make cheese. When did they start carrying this!?
Raw milk and raw dogging porn stars
Politician life
As always with these headlines, it’s best to not fall for extremes and rage bait. Not all milk has to be homogenized. And if the supply is near, as in you can buy it from a small farm that has cows grazing, raw is fine.
Europe had this figured out forever. Not sure why you need brain worm guy to lay the smack down on stupid rules in North America.
What’s the point though? Just heat it up a bit and it’s safe. The only argument for why you shouldn’t do that is conspiracy nonsense.
Last time there was a surge in raw milk consumption tons of ppl got sick.
Where? From a bad source? Of course.
Again, I was drinking raw milk in European countryside all the time growing up.
Figure out inspections and local distribution, like they have them in vending machines in small towns. And then go from there.
None of the things you’re showing here exist in the country the subject matter is about.
They don’t exist, because the milk industry is captured by the agriculture industry. Same thing in Canada.
Yeah, that isn’t going to work in the States. Milk production here is big business. Just like all other industries, they are going to the cheapest route possible. And those beautiful vending machines you posted would be destroyed within a week.
Destroyed by who? What makes them not destroyed all across Europe?
Yes, the milk industry is a problem. Just like in Canada, the milk cartels are making it impossible for small farms to do business independently due to lobbying for laws that prevent competition from entering the market in a meaningful way.
What I’m reading is that they want to foster the greatest source of bankruptcies in the US, healthcare costs, while lowering the living standards to turn the US into a “third world shithole country”. For added irony, while also having an oligarch who had to migrate away from his home country for contributing to do the same in their birth country and not being able to reap what they sowed, just to end up doing the same in their new country.
the guy responsible for the death of 83 Samoans has more health advice …
