Proposals had been made to change Russia's nuclear doctrine to allow for attacking any non-nuclear state that had the participation or support of a nuclear state, Putin said.

Proposals had been made to change Russia’s nuclear doctrine to allow for attacking any non-nuclear state that had the participation or support of a nuclear state, Putin said.

  • @InvertedParallax@lemm.eeEnglish
    25•7 months ago

    I mean, the lesson here is to give Ukraine back the nukes we traded them in exchange for guarantees of territorial integrity in the Budapest memorandum.

    We failed, we did not protect your territory, we admit we failed.

    So have some nukes with irbms and TERs as a consolation prize.

    Damn putin, you sure outsmarted us…

  • @spicystraw@lemmy.worldEnglish
    14•7 months ago

    I just dont get it. The man rules the world’s largest country by landmass and is richer than the richest people in the universe, what the fuck are you going to do with more land like Ukraine. More importantly, why do so many people have to die for it. And how the fuck are you so incapable of admiting being in the wrong that you threten to nuke the whole world. Why are people in power like this.

    • @Eximius@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4•7 months ago

      At some point the argument that consolidating more oil and pushing for more gas/oil monopoly would have been part of the play. But now, any unbelievably mediocre economist would just say the roi is somewhere 5 generations in the future (if at all) and the sunken cost fallacy is raping Russia liberally through all echelons.

      Not really saying there is logic to the madness, other than some internal motivations (apart from delusions of grandeur imperialistic pursuits).

    • @Brcht@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5•7 months ago

      Aside from nationalistic pride, there are several practical reasons:

      1. Azof sea + Crimean peninsula are a natural chockepoint for Russia’s exports from the river Don, basically all Russia’s black sea inports and exports pass though there

      2. Donbass is incredibly rich in mineral resources

      3. Ukraine’s ports are where the largest Soviet Union ships were built, Russia can’t build larger frigades/aircraft carriers without Ukraine’s facilities (mainly Mykolaiv port I believe).

      4. The dominance over the black sea is extremely important for Russia, as it may affect both its nuclear deterrence and its control over Georgia which opens the gates to central asia (yes Turkey is in Nato but it plays its own game)

      Also consider that Russia started the war hoping for a quick ukrainian capitulation, so they would have absorbed the hugely important ukrainian aerospace industry, and its massive farming industry.

      They probably ‘just’ want the Donbass and the coast now, so the last point is no longer relevant, but it played a role in deciding to push forward with the invasion.

  • DestideEnglish
    3•7 months ago

    We issue a Sunffaluffakus warning don’t make us release the Sunffaluffakus

  • @Z3k3@lemmy.worldEnglish
    33•7 months ago

    Ukraine is not attacking Russia. It’s a counter attack.

    Stopping those is easy with this 1 simple trick

  • SabataEnglish
    6•7 months ago

    Dose he know we make fun of him every time he says the line?

  • ms.laneEnglish
    14•7 months ago

    attacking any non-nuclear state that had the participation or support of a nuclear state, Putin said.

    This is also how you get Australia to start seriously considering a nuclear arsenal.

        • @fuckingkangaroos@lemm.eeEnglish
          2•7 months ago

          Ahh I’m sorry to waste your time, I know about them. I just meant to say “there’s more than one!”

          It’s hard to take joy from anything in this war, but seeing the Kremlin’s ammunition lighting up the sky with a thousand foot fireball, knowing it would save many Ukrainian lives, was incredible. Some of the craters in the satellite photos are very impressive.

          • @tal@lemmy.todayOPEnglish
            3•7 months ago

            There were three in three or four days, though the first depot, at Toropets, was the most-significant.

            At least the first involved a substantial number of Ukranian long-range UAVs – I saw “about 100” quoted in coverage of it – and given that this current statement references large UAV or missile strikes and comes shortly after those, I guess that it might indeed be in response to those.

            EDIT:

            https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/09/18/russia-may-have-stockpiled-its-best-missiles-at-an-arsenal-in-the-town-of-toropets-which-is-why-ukraine-just-blew-it-up-with-100-drones/

            That so many of Russia’s best munitions were reportedly concentrated in a single location explains why Ukraine devoted such a large force to the attack. RBC-Ukraine claimed more than 100 drones were involved—potentially making the Toropets raid the biggest Ukrainian strike on a target inside Russia since Russia widened its war on Ukraine 30 months ago.

            and here:

            “The conditions for Russia’s transition to the use of nuclear weapons are also clearly fixed,” Putin said, adding that Moscow would consider such a move if it detected the start of a massive launch of missiles, aircraft, or drones against it.

            • @fuckingkangaroos@lemm.eeEnglish
              2•7 months ago

              I hope the speculation about them hitting missiles is right. Much harder to replace them than artillery shells or small arms ammunition.

  • PhoenixzEnglish
    19•7 months ago

    Putin issues a nuclear warning #5285 to the West over Ukraine

    FTFY

    Also: why won’t you just let me play land grab and genocide? Why won’t you just let me fuck people over? Why won’t you just let me be a genocidal maniac when I want to? You’re all a bunch of party poopers!

  • mechoman444English
    6•7 months ago

    O shit! Well! I’ll see your nuclear warning and raise you a “I’m about to fart” warning.