Author J.K. Rowling has fallen silent on her usually busy X (formerly Twitter) feed, after Olympic gold medalist boxer Imane Khelif filed a legal complaint in France for alleged cyber harassment over statements regarding her gender.
On August 9, lawyers for Khelif filed a lawsuit with a special unit of the public prosecutor’s office in Paris, stemming from false statements that spread online about her gender after the Algerian boxer defeated Italy’s Angela Carini in her first fight of the 2024 Olympic Games. Carini pulled out 46 seconds into the bout and told reporters afterwards that she had “never felt a punch like this.”
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Wikipedia about this sourceIncredibly interesting that as soon as MBFC posts about a right wing site everyone stops downvoting.
This is a leftist echo chamber, I have no idea what you mean.
Oh no, reality has a left-leaning bias. We must change reality!
The absolute horror!!
What lack of downvotes? I don’t see one.
Was at a solid zero when I commented.
So you were impatient.
No, these posts are usually downvoted within minutes of being made. I commented hours later.
Someone finally got Rowling to shut up! Imane Khelif is my hero!
Getting JK Rowling to shut up is arguably a more impressive accomplishment than winning Olympic gold
Re: Your username. Do you sneakily swipe bread sticks, or use them as weapons? Also, how do you feel about garlic bread?
Those are definitely weapons grade bread sticks. An unlimited supply of ammo. Kudos.
The irony of Rowling getting sued for calling a biological woman trans
I’m a Conservative championing Genital Inspections on Children to make sure ONLY PEOPLE with Vaginas play Girl’s Sports but also THIS Women with a Vagina is ACTUALLY A MAN!
Sorry, was I wrong to be a hateful bigot and use my celebrity to spread hate?
JKR is so far off base here that even if you are a dyed-in-the-wool TERF this is basically impossible to defend.
Gate-keeping feminity by excluding women born with a vagina who are too butch by your opinion to be considered “women” is going too far… even if you are otherwise onboard with gate-keeping “womanhood” from trans women.
It’s just proof that the F in TERF is a lie. Rowling is in no way a feminist, even if you define feminism as only promoting the rights of cis women.
Rowling is not a feminist, she’s a bigot who thinks that cis women who don’t pass her requirements for femininity and whiteness count as women.
Don’t forget the criteria of what makes a women, women constantly changes to fit whatever warped narrative they have.
Conservatives have a real fixation on people’s gentials. Not the fun, sexy way more like a weird, pervy way.
It’s about PROTECTING WOMEN! And if I have to hurt a bunch of women to protect them from hypothetical scenarios I made up to demonize trans people, so be it!
And let this be a lesson to all internet people, I know y’all hear about the first amendment a lot, but it only applies in America. You have to actually follow the laws of the country you’re in
Also, the first amendment only applies to free speech against the US government. You can’t chat shit about any private individual without them having the option to sue you.
There’s a whole lot here that’s just slightly off the mark. I’ll give you the general sentiment, but the details need work.
Ok, sorry. I’m British, I couldn’t really give a fuck about the first amendment.
That apparently doesn’t stop you from talking like you’re an authority on it
This is the internet, where we’re all an authority on all things American because Americans won’t shut the fuck up talking about themselves.
Have you tried steering the conversation towards the magna carta or the code of Hammurabi?
Except that’s bullshit, you can get sued for libel and slander in the USA.
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You can, however, call The POTUS whatever names you want, just don’t even imply any sort of harm may come to them.
Rowling has been silent on X since August 7, when she shared a post from researcher Maya Forstater, who was fired from her job after making anti-trans statements.
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I don’t know where Newsweek takes its facts from but this is another lie pushed by the TERF propaganda machine. Forstater was a tax expert whose contract was not renewed after she was horrible to her trans and non-binary colleagues. (Yes the ‘researcher’ wording is put there on purpose, to amplify the perception that her freedom of speech was violated, or as Rowling likes to put it ‘her livelihood was threatened for disagreeing with the trans lobby’.)
She then went to a labor tribunal court or sth, to claim that her belief in the “immutability and reality of sex” is a protected belief, and made a fuss about being fired for her beliefs, when in reality she was merely discontinued for being a dick to the people she worked with. Her Twitter feed was full of conflating trans people with rapists and pedophiles.
The first judge took into account her definition that requires working plumbing to name someone a woman, and consulted a biological expert, impartial to gender identity, that precluded any scientific basis to Forstater’s childish views on biological sex. The judge deemed her belief is “unworthy of respect in a democratic society”, but later, an appeal court said she has a right to believe that but she still cannot misgender people.
Critical legal theorists suggested that the appeal court held a very low bar as for what opinions “worthy of respect” should be, and that its ruling should be better interpreted as “marginally better than an outright nazi”.
It is a red flag for both the author and the outlet that they lead with a snippet of propaganda which is as false as unsubstantiated claims that Khelif’s trans or DSD. So should we conclude both toxic narratives are pushed by the same epicenters?
I don’t get it. They took a test that revealed they have XY chromosomes in 2023.
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Please do bring facts. Then, cite your sources. You have sources, right?
… right?
Narrator: “they do not”
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I haven’t seen any reporting confirming that she’s got XY chromosomes. But if you have an article, please correct me if I’m wrong. What I’ve been able to find is this:
Banned governing body that’s fueling outcry on Olympic boxers has Russian ties and troubled history
Summary-
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The disqualification was done in a tournament run by an organization banned by the Olympics.
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She participated in tournaments run by this organization with no issues for the last several years.
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The organization hasn’t said why she was disqualified.
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The man spouting the ‘trans woman’ claims is the leader of the organization. He’s a friend of Putin and described as a drug trafficker.
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Her disqualification happened after she beat the previously undefeated Russian boxer Amineva 3 days post fight.
There’s more in the article, but these are the quick bullet points I came up with.
Troubled Russian ties and corruption in the Olympics.
- The organization hasn’t said why she was disqualified.
Lie. They’ve said their tests found xy chromosomes.
But they haven’t said what test they performed to determine this, which would be the norm so the results can be verified.
What is your point? If it’s such the norm why hasn’t she released the results herself?
Why does she have to? Why would she have a copy of a test allegedly done by a 3rd party that, based on news reports, was just using it as an excuse to eliminate her for beating a Russian opponent?
Do you know she doesn’t have the test results? When I get medical tests done I usually do receive the test results.
There are news reports saying she’s a man if you care so much about news reports.
It’s funny how it works both ways. She doesn’t have to release the results. And they don’t have to release them so you can verify it either. Playing your own stupid game. Why do they have to release the results?
You seem to be misunderstanding, intentionally I would guess. They claimed they did a test to “confirm” she was not a woman, I’m saying that’s a steaming hot load of bullshit and they were just looking for an excuse and they have no results to release.
Please cite your sources saying there are news reports that she’s a man.
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According to anti-trans people like her, there are only men and women. At birth Khleif was medically determined to be a woman and always lived as a woman. End of story, particularly for people like JKR who think this is a simple issue.
That doesn’t make her not female, or trans. From the Snopes article about this:
There are genetic conditions, termed differences of sexual development, in which biological females are born with XY chromosomes but possess female anatomy, or that affect how a biological female regulates and reacts to testosterone, causing levels typically associated with males. Though there is no independent confirmation that Khelif has these conditions, people born this way would legally be considered female or intersex.
Debates over these issues in the context of women’s sports have nothing to do with a purported “woke” or “trans agenda,” because such instances involve women who were born as women, identify as women and have not undergone any sex reassignment surgery or procedure to change this fact. That is what IOC spokesperson Mark Adams meant when he clarified to the press “this is not a transgender issue.”
Gender-reassignment procedures require significant financial and medical resources. The notion that a woman from a rural western Algerian village who sold scrap metal to support her boxing career would have had the ability to undergo such a procedure in a deeply conservative Muslim country that prohibits the practice is extremely unlikely, at best.
Hey look it’s a mouth breathing transphobic science misunderstander
The bullshit about XY chromosomes is pretty stupid, which is why the other replier provided an article and a few key points in refutation.
The OP’s comment didn’t read to me as particularly incendiary, but thanks for labelling them as transphobic and mouth breathing with no precedent! Really appreciate good contributions to discourse like yours.
EDIT: not sure what the downvotes are for. XY chromosomes are not exactly valid for determining sex, much less gender. Women might have Y chromosomes, or even three copies of X. Gender has nothing to do with this at all, in fact.
Using XY as an argument is therefore bullshit.
Even if it’s bullshit, there’s no need to call someone a mouth breather unprovoked. The other thread seems to be a shitshow anyway, so I’m glad the replier is being called out.
You’re welcome, glad to be of service.
Don’t shame, but educate. There’s no need to be rude over this.
Sure there is. That mouth breather is refusing to use a woman’s feminine pronouns over an unsubstantiated rumour about a minor medical abnormality. They’re being ten times as rude as I am.
refusing to use a woman’s feminine pronouns
Where?
Here: https://lemmy.world/comment/11819572
This person uses “they” instead of Khelif’s she/her pronouns.
I’m sorry but no. Using gender-neutral language does not describe gender; using ‘they’ isn’t to misgender, it just leaves the gender unspecified.
You can correctly use ‘they’ for anyone. If they’d said ‘he’, now that would’ve been different…
(Edit: typo)
Yeah, it’s so minor. I think that commenter is only looking for a reason to be upset on behalf of someone else and use that as an excuse to blow up.
I didn’t say they were misgendering her, I said they refused to use her preferred pronouns. Surely you can agree with the factual accuracy of that statement.
I’m about to enjoy blocking you.
Apparently that is not true. There was a report of test taken and result was xy, but the report was never shown to the public and the lab that took the test has been banned.
Seems they are attacking the wrong group then.
Yes, I believe Rowling was quite misinformed in this aspect.
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Hundreds of people hung people of color from trees without a fair trial. They are still guilty whether or not others did so.
By “this woman,” do you mean Rowling? Are you sure she’s a woman? Has she taken a gender test?
I get where you’re coming from. But she has popped a crotch goblin out in the past, which is a pretty good indication of womanhood. (Side note: I’m not saying if a woman can’t or won’t have kids they aren’t a woman, because they clearly still are. But if a woman does give birth to a child it’s usually a strong sign of that gender.)
ETA: If this prospective lawsuit can shut Rowling up long-term that would be fantastic. Like many others, I’m tired of her spewing hateful shit out.
I know men who’ve given birth, and women who haven’t, so I’m not sure it means what you think it means…
How do you know she did? Were you at the birth? Have you seen video? How do you know the child wasn’t adopted?
You mean Robert Galbraith? JK is a little gender fluid anyway.
You gender warriors are nuts,
I don’t make having opinions on gender and pronouns a cornerstone of my income like JK does. The loudness of the pro-trans community is entirely a response to the opposition trans people face. Want trans people to “get over it”? Get over it yourself first.
I wonder if people like you also wanted the Irish to “get over it” back in the day. Don’t hear too much about Irish Pride these days, do you? Did they quite down when hating the Irish left the vogue or did their pride just get normalized? Probably a bit of both, but do you get wound up around St. Patrick Day? Well, you’re from a uk instance, so maybe you do.
It’s impossible to prove that someone ‘never failed a gender test’ you can only prove that someone passed or failed a specific test. Maybe if you understood logic and critical thinking a bit better it might help you in your life. I’d recommend learning.
I totally believe Algeria sent a transwomen to the olympics…
For the record: Being trans is highly illegal in Algeria
Wheres the evidence she ‘never failed a gender test’ that was the fact that made everyone upset.
Yeah, where’s the proof of this negative?!? /s
Now we just need your proof that your hero JD Vance never fucked a couch.
The Wall Street Journal still has an article online that says:
The Algerian boxer is biologically male but allowed to compete in the female category
Fuck Jeff BezosEDIT: Oh dang this isn’t WaPo. Fuck him anyway though.
Bezos has nothing to do with the Wall Street Journal
my bad
Upvote because you recognized you were incorrect & you weren’t a rowling about it!
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It’s not like I have to take back the “Fuck Jeff Bezos” part. Just not specifically about this.
Never, ever take back a “fuck Bezos” 💪👍🙏
Unless you meant it literally; I would never encourage sexual intercourse with that… being.
Hold up though, here me out. Well, lets just say things could get interesting with a splintered 4x4 piece of lumber. Ya know, for science.
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Never poo poo a poo poo.
WSJ is a Murdoch propaganda outlet
Wait how is this blatant lie allowed to remain published online? I thought the WSJ had at least some credibility?
No modern US media has any credibility anymore. They are owned by a handful of wealthy people who don’t give a shit about truth or journalistic integrity.
Sue’em, hard.
how is this blatant lie allowed to remain published online?
A lot of people still think there’s consequence or rules or regulations on what publications can say or do. We abolished those laws a long time ago.
You spelled Rupert Murdoch wrong.
The author, colin wright, touts himself as a fellow for SEGM “The Society For Evidence-Based Gender Medicine;” which is a non-profit organization that is known for its opposition to gender-affirming care for transgender youth and for engaging in political lobbying.
He’s a POS who gets paid to write smear pieces endangering the lives of trans people, by people with even worse ideals than his own.
she thought she was Hermione. turns out she was just Malfoy.
She’s a Stan Shunpike- radicalized offscreen, leaving everyone else confused
Musk is Malfoy. Rowling is Crabbe.
Rowling is Umbridge.
Okay, now explain it like Star Trek.
Thinks she’s Sisko, but she’s Kai Winn.
She thought she was Dax, but she’s really Damar. Elon Musk is Gul Dukat.
He’s not smart enough. More like the Grand Negus.
Zek is a lot smarter than Dukat.
Grand Nagus Brunt.
Spare me these twisted visions, cruel spectre!
I can see this one.
She thought she was Kirk, turns out she was just that dumb girl that helped Khan.
I’d say she was young and naïve and attracted to a guy who was literally superhuman. She wasn’t stupid though, she was the ship’s historian. She basically fell in love with what she was supposed to study. It happens in the real world too… doctors falling in love with patients at the like.
Okay then you do one!
She thinks she’s Future Guy, but she’s really Silik.
Daniels?
I’m honestly confused how she could write a story where Harry Potter triumphs over he who must not be named, when he who must not be named was her hero.
It must have been really tough for her.
It’s less that and more the system of prejudice itself is her hero, because she never truly challenges it, and the final state of peace at the end of the books does not require fixing its problems. Voldemort was a bad apple, nothing more (according to her I’d imagine)
yep.
Yeah the way she kind of bullies Hermione with the whole ‘SPEW’ thing was so off. First, Hermione had style and was a genius. I think she would know that ‘SPEW’ is a bad acronym.
Also, making everyone turn away from her and no one supporting her - she didn’t need to really make it like that at all. Why couldnt the org have a cute name and Hermione and like Lavender Brown etc all get together to try to coordinate better working conditions for the elves. This then would later help with the plot involving the DA. It’s literally a fantasy and Harry gets magical hero results all the time. It’s just such a weird part of the books and negative when it really didn’t serve any purpose to be negative. Except to be shitty to lady activists.
Yeah the HP books are misogynist as fuck. When I was a little one and I found out they were written by a woman, I was in disbelief. Why would a woman write something so mean to women in general?
Well, the author of HP goes by Robert these days so I guess I had the right idea.
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I’m sorry, I think you just short circuited my brain. JK Rowling, who has so publicly and venomously been anti-trans… has spent the last few years pretending to be a man??? What in the hypocrisy is wrong with her!!!
And now that you mention it, I’d read a long time ago, before she became public with her TERF-ness, that she went by “J K” on the HP books instead of Joanne because she or the publishers didn’t want to discourage boys from picking up a book written by a woman. And now that I’m typing this, I realize the fact that she wrote her books from a boy’s perspective, too. So in all these examples, she’s inhabiting a male persona.
My brain… can list these facts, but cannot compute them together.
Robert Galbraith pretends to be a different gender in order to gain a political advantage and make money. Having absolutely no sense of empathy whatsoever, he assumes everyone else is like him. He assumes trans people are all pretending to be a different gender in order to gain a political advantage and make money. And the only political advantage you can get out of trans femininity (as opposed to trans masculinity) is the appropriation of feminist resources.
(I mean, you can also get great skin, beautiful flowing locks, and resistance to covid from trans femininity, but I don’t think Robert knows about those)
“resistance to covid”? Did I miss something?
She’s not Malfoy, she’s Umbridge.
She doesn’t have quite enough of a backpfeifengesicht to be Umbridge. She’s Umbridge from Wish
TemUmbridge
Bahahaha not so careless about throwing your hatred around on your sleeve now, are you bitch?
Get fucked you stupid cunt.
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“I don’t agree with the nazis, but they are allowed to have opinions that we don’t agree with, I don’t understand the hate”
Yeah, no problem with that logic. Wanting a minority to die/not exist is just an opinion not worth disdain, that’s all, right?
She’s gone hard into terf land and is spreading hate and disinfo about trans people
Is that the bar for you? Anything less evil than directly and personally stabbing a baby is ok?
The bigotry is on the same level, but I think JK Rowling is actively militant on a far different level compared to Orson Scott Card. Just looking at their twitter for example, OSC tweets maybe once a month and 9/10 times it’s about a book signing or other such promotion. JK Rowling’s feed is a constant flow of hatred on trans people. She tries very hard to make sure you are reminded of her bigotry every single time you hear anything about her.
The reach is different too. OSC has some 16k followers. Rowling has 15 million. It’s natural for her to attract a much higher degree of disdain.
This is it right here. I am a trans person and I actually like both the enderverse and harry potter and I’m not a fan of either author. But I can say I like the enderverse without any shame or self loathing because Card doesn’t appear to speak about his shitty views unless directly asked.
Now with Joanne on the other hand… Well, fuck her and her IP and everything else she might ever do. She is a billionaire and like Musk just can’t be happy with that and shut the fuck up. I get it you foul bitch, you hate me and that I exist, now go buy a fucking yacht and let me struggle to pay rent, buy food, and simply live in peace. All I have ever done to that self righteous cunt is buy her books and yet she feels the need to denigrate me and my existence and espouse hate directed toward me every chance she gets. Just stfu Joanne, you’ve won the game you never have to worry about having your basic needs met ever again. You’ve won. Now go the fuck away.
Basically I can put blinders on and still enjoy the enderverse and shadows, but I can’t do that with Joanne. Harry Potter will never hold the same place in my heart as it once did. I cannot read it anymore without feeling gross and disgusted with myself for enjoying anything this foul human has produced.
To be fair, Ender Wiggin calls his black friend the N word and jokes about owning him as a slave one time. Ender’s Game still somehow manages to be less racist than Harry Potter, but it’s a close race.
Totally agree with you that I’m less ashamed to like the Ender books tho. Every time I try to understand Leibniz I just remember reading the Ender sequels.
She’s not out there stabbing babies
Rowling is using her considerable clout to drum up hatred of trans people. She might not be wielding the bat, but she helps embolden those who do. It’s essentially stochastic terrorism. To my knowledge, Card has not gone nearly as far off the deep end in this respect.
And here I thought that she would happily go to jail over her bigotry: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jk-rowling-willing-jail-misgendering_n_65314d65e4b00565b6234d11
I guess we shouldn’t be too surprised that a fantasy author has a lot of silly fantasies about herself.
Did anything come of the rumors that she plagiarized at least the first book, and premise of the entire series?
Are you referring to The Legend of Rah and the Muggles? That was found to be bullshit the second people read the book. It’s an extremely weird story about nuclear fallout, talking animals, and a shit ton of meandering filler. The only similarity was use of the word “muggle”, which doesn’t even mean the same thing in both stories. JK may be a TERF now, but she is not a plagiarist.
She’s not a plagiarist per se, but the idea of an elite school for wizards is not exactly original to her. There’s The Worst Witch series of books. The first one was published in 1974. They were a huge hit, especially in the UK, leading eventually to a TV movie with a very impressive cast list in the 1980s, which, you will note, was decades before Rowling wrote any Harry Potter book.
There’s absolutely no way she was not aware of those books. In fact, considering she was nine years old when the first one came out- the exact age for those books- she almost certainly read it and treasured it and it almost certainly inspired her to write Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone.
On top of that, there was Ursula LeGuin’s Earthsea novels, the first of which takes place in large part at a boarding school for wizards where a poor boy who is from a non-magical family is sent after showing that he has magical powers and ends up being the most powerful wizard in the world, fighting the ultimate magical evil.
That was published in 1968 and I would be very surprised if Rowling hadn’t read it before she wrote her books, because that is just too similar.
Maybe? I just remembered some thread from ages ago where people were saying that some guy had written a book that wasn’t popular, and she reworked it. This may have been pre-reddit, it was that long ago.
Hence why I said rumors. I didn’t remember anything that was a smoking gun, or a conclusion to that rumor.
Almost none of the ideas in any of those books are original, they’re all cribbed from somewhere else, but that’s always the way art is created whether the creator knows it or not. The premise of a kid discovering he’s special and entering a secret world of other special people is not something new to childrens’ literature
Hah. No. She has real lawyer money.
