“We need to identify each juror. Then make them miserable. Maybe even suicidal,” wrote another user on the same forum. “1,000,000 men (armed) need to go to washington and hang everyone. That’s the only solution,” wrote another user. “This s— is out of control.”
“I hope every juror is doxxed and they pay for what they have done,” another user wrote on Trump’s Truth Social platform Thursday. “May God strike them dead. We will on November 5th and they will pay!”
“May God strike them dead. We will on November 5th”
…is a “win” missing or are they openly saying they’ll kill them on election day?
Same difference
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Yeah but it’s not a purely random sample, because of the jury selection process.
So we can’t really say anything in a statistical sense. I’d guess (not based on any statistics, just common sense) that there would be a higher percentage of independents in the jury than there would be in the general population. At any rate they would people that likely don’t think about politics very much. With Trump, if someone is politically minded at all they’d have a strong opinion on Trump (one way or the other) and would be likely disqualified from being on the jury.
Anyway the point of jury selection is to not be a random sample, but a group of people that aren’t biased for or against the defendant. The polling on the general populace doesn’t have the requirement to not be politically biased to participate, so we can’t use statistics for this.
Sorry for being being that guy, but proper use of statistics is important to me! Sorry!
Is it still likely that there is at least one republican? I think it is possible.
All it would take is one allied republican on the jury to potentially leak juror identities.
Selection process is random but the challenge process keeps it white noise. They’re each going to throw away a set number of people that are bad for their side. In the end it ends up being kind of random still anyway.
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The trial was in Manhattan, so that rules out Staten Island. Manhattan alone only voted 14.5% [1] for Trump in 2020. Also 55% of registered voters cast ballots in all of New York City in 2020 [2] (idk what the actual number is for Manhattan specifically).
So about 7.97% of everyone eligible to vote in Manhattan voted for Trump in 2020. This is about 1/12. There’s likely more probability math to perform, but maybe one Republican voter was in the Jury, but it’s also likely that none of the jury had ever voted for Trump (despite what they said in jury selection). 3 republicans in the Jury seems high although I’m also too high to do the math.
[3] https://www.gothamgazette.com/city/9961-breaking-down-2020-vote-new-york-city-biden-trump
I counter attack with, using their names to create an online fund raiser to make these reasonable people rich.
We need a fucking purge. These people need to go.
I’m upvoting both sides of this because it’s a discussion that ought to happen. Everybody please stop downvoting topical discussion that you disagree with.
You could always use an instance without downvotes. It’s oddly liberating.
You will never convince people to do that. I generally reserve downvotes for when people are being assholes, but that doesn’t seem to be the consensus use.
We need a separate disagree button or people will continue to abuse the downvote
‘Disagree’ and ‘disregard’
For what it’s worth, I always upvote ya squid because you’re always making sense.
That’s very nice of you, thanks. Although I also don’t sweat it much when I get a bunch of downvotes. It’s all just internet points after all.
I seem to remember an old saying about blindness and an eye for an eye. Can anyone help me out?
Civil wars are good, and easy to win. It’s from the bible.
You’re not helping
Why’s that? Because I’m not stupid enough, or in denial enough to see just how dangerous these people are? What, we’re supposed to sit around and laugh at them, and act like they’re nobody while they orchestrate another domestic terrorist attack?
Precisely because they are dangerous! They want to purge you, too; don’t escalate things and hand them an opportunity.
That’s exactly why we need to stop handling these pieces of shit with kid gloves. They are an active threat and they’re willing to resort to violence to install a fascist leader. It’s not just a difference of political opinion and we need to stop treating it like that’s all it is. These people are terrorists. It’s not if, but when their violence surfaces.
They’re talking about KILLING PEOPLE WHO ARE LIBERALS AND DEMOCRATS. We should absolutely NOT LEAVE THEM ALONE. They need to be treated like the terrorist filth they are and handled before innocent people get hurt.
The rhetoric of essentially suggesting someone do a mass killing is not helpful no matter how toxic those fucks are. How can you not see that?
So you’d rather we just ignore them, play nice, and then act all shocked when they start to kill people?
“I’m going to kill them before they kill me” is probably not the most ethical way to solve your problems.
No you idiot. What the fuck is so hard about understanding being as bad as your enemy? I didn’t invent the concept.
K. Batter up, champ.
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The statistics have Communism as a far more dangerous and deadly ideology, and it’s not even close.
Well sure, but only self-identified communism rather than real communism. Like the National Socialism Party, the Chinese Communist Party, or the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. They were all “socialism” and “communism” where the rights to everything were held exclusively by the state which was controlled by small groups of individuals. To me that doesn’t sound like it fits the bill, but whatevs.
Communism requires the proletariat overthrow the elite. This has never happened.
You know, it sounds like conservatism (fascism)
How does it feel to be so fucking stupid? Is it painful?
Not stupid enough to believe Communism works… so pretty good.
did someone say that somewhere?
How is that possible? Actual communism has literally never existed.
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Communism: an economic theory where the stated goal is achieving socio-economic equality.
Social conservationism: a social theory based on returning to regressive “traditional values” and oppression of “deviants”.
Totally the same thing.
The right have killed significantly more than communists. We just don’t label it as murder when it’s capitalists, because making “lower beings” suffer is the intended effect of capitalism. Why is it not capitalism’s fault when conservative states fail catastrophically and cause the deaths of millions, but when a communist state fails it’s suddenly socialism’s problem?
Conservatives refuse to acknowledge that capitalism is built on mountains of bones, hubdreds of millions of bones at least, and is still completely dysfunctional. Their criticism of better ideologies is just projection of that.
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i love how you slashed through that socialist/capitalist dichotomy and got down to the meat: right vs. left. let’s narrow it down even further: altruism vs. narcissism. you either have empathy and want to see other people live well, or you’re a selfish asshole. this is the true dichotomy. there are ways within different systems of law and economics to make life better for most people just like there are ways within different systems to make everyone miserable. intent is what matters. my intent is to purge this world of the narcissists.
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LOL you thought you were going to do something in here with your boomer talking points you got from facebook
I got that out of a history book, you should try reading one.
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Okay, lets discuss what happened 35 years ago, on June 4th 1989, feel free to invite your friends.
Later if you get bored we can go over some of these events
lmao, you really linked to the Tiananmen Square wiki article. I knew whatever the link was, it was going to be stupid, but I audibly laughed when that page came up.
Thanks for the entertainment. Sorry about the bad brain.
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I mean, you could have started with things like the (multiple) Bengal Famines, the Holocaust, and the Imperial Japanese conquests that killed twenty million people themselves, but, sure, student protests…
I see you’ve read “Everything I Hate is Communism ; an Idiot’s Guide to Politics”
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Seriously. Is there one person that history remembers as a great important figure who did or would identify as a conservative?
I’m glad the jurors have been smart enough to stay quiet. Now that the verdict is in, there is nothing keeping them from going public with details about their deliberations, but they seem to have all agreed it is best to keep out of the public eye. I wonder if the two lawyers purported to be on the jury advised them of that.
Still, I wouldn’t be surprised if at least one of them already has an advance to write a book about it, which we will see eventuallty. I wonder if they get to keep their notes.
They absolutely should remain publicly silent until sentencing, personal safety aside. Publicly expressing opinions could be used in an appeal as argument for influencing the judge prior to sentencing.
On the flip side, the judge should absolutely use Trump violating his gag order to express his opinions about the case and those involved to impose prison time as part of his sentence.
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What if we gave them the address to Sam Alito’s house?
They won’t recognize the flag if it’s upside down.
Conservatives are a threat to stable and peaceful societies, and an existential threat to the whole human race due to their climate change denialism. As long as we continue to pretend that conservatism is a valid political ideology and not psychopathy and sadism packaged up to look like politics, they’ll continue to undermine democracy and peace until they get the genocide(s) they keep clamoring for
In the present research (N = 675), we focus on the relationship between the dark side of human personality and political orientation and extremism, respectively, in the course of a presidential election where the two candidates represent either left-wing or right-wing political policies. Narcissism, Machiavellianism, psychopathy, and everyday sadism were associated with right-wing political orientation, whereas narcissism and psychopathy were associated with political extremism. Moreover, the relationships between personality and right-wing political orientation and extremism, respectively, were relatively independent from each other.
We found eleven significant correlations between conservative [Moral Intuition Survey] judgments and the Dark Triad – [narcissism, Machiavellianism, psychopathy,] all at significance level of p<.00001 – and no significant correlations between liberal [Moral Intuition Survey] judgments and the Dark Triad. We believe that these results raise provocative moral questions about the personality bases of moral judgments. In particular, we propose that because the Short-D3 measures three “dark and antisocial” personality traits, our results raise some prima facie worries about the moral justification of some conservative moral judgments
Get their IP addresses. Jail them. Easy. You prevent terrorist attacks. But I guess that’s too much to ask from police.
Some of those those that work forces are the same that burn crosses.
I’m so fucking tired of seeing this quote constantly… but it’s inarguably a pervasive problem. I need this to stop being true so I don’t have to see it all the time.
There will just be another quote from RATM to take its place. Been listening to them a lot lately - there are so damn many relevant quotes in their music…
You’ll never get away! mwuhuhuhuh
I feel the same way about “every accusation is a confession.” It’s such over simplified, sixth grade mean girl bullshit. Buuuuuuut it hasn’t been wrong lately, which is annoying lol.
It’s because so many conservatives stopped socially and mentally developing in 6th grade.
I’m tired of this quote being forever relevant.
I get it man, I really wish this quote/lyric wasn’t applicable to literally every day too.
Grizzled police-chief: get me those IP addresses
Nerd: setting up the back-trace now, wait, the ip is 127.0.0.1
Grizzled police-chief: don’t give me that geek-talk poindexter, speak english
[Zoom in]
Nerd: the post was coming from inside the station.
[No one is shocked]
fin.
127.0.0.1 is localhost (i.e. your own computer) so either the nerd is incompetent or he just outed himself for the crime
Not specifically. But this assumes the chief is too dumb to know “There’s no place like 127.0.0.1” or understand that it’s the only IP address that means “it’s not somebody else, it’s someone here!”.
There really are people that dumb in Law Enforcement.
I assume they all share the same Tandy 1000 to IRC with hot-singles in their area.
If I had a nickel for every time I’ve made a GUI with Visual Basic to track an IP address…
You’d have zero nickels?
Correct.
We really need better enforcement of laws on threatening civil servants.
These jurors did a job that I might even struggle to take due to the likelihood of these assholes might fuck my life up. Imo, they should be given at least a year of Secret Service or US Marshall protection.
I personally don’t trust the local PD to protect them.
Here is the problem: These people very carefully choose their words. It’s not illegal to “wish” all the jurors are outed, tortured, maimed, and drawn and quartered over a bed of coals- along with their families, neighbors and first grade teachers.
See that’s all okay to say apparently. This is our legal system. It’s not until they actually say, “I’m going to […],” that LE gets involved. Because none of that other stuff was a direct threat, or intended to incite violence, or intended to instill fear. They were just harmless wishes. Super okay, and nothing to worry about, you see?
Yes and no.
There are no “magic words” that make a threat legal. It’s always a question of context.
For example if Don Corleone came to your business and said “Nice place you got here, would be a shame if it burned down. By the way I happen to sell fire protection”, that would absolutely be illegal even though he never said he would do anything wrong. The intent is clear to all.
So it doesn’t really matter if someone says “I wish that guy was dead!” vs “I’m going to kill that guy!” Either one can be an illegal true threat, or not, depending on the context.
Well, would that be the same as someone coming on here saying “Nice federated place you got here, would be a shame if it went down. By the way, I happen to sell DDoS protection”?
It could be the same, for example if you are talking to Whiterose. It’s always a question of context.
Here is the problem: These people very carefully choose their words.
This has not been my experience with Trump supporters on the internet. Ever.
This is exactly what they’ve done. Notice everything (except for “make them miserable”, which isn’t inherently illegal…) is placed on “someone else should…”:
1,000,000 men (armed) need to […]
I hope every juror is doxxed and they pay […]
May God strike them dead.
They know exactly what they are doing. Doing it mafia style, just like dear leader.
Edit: Idiots downvoting what’s right in their face. Can’t believe facts, only emotions. Just like the idiots following Trump. Idiots are idiots. Here is more evidence for you, on this exact topic from reuters:
While the posts identified by Reuters all called for violence or insurrection, most fell short of the legal standard for a prosecutable threat, which typically requires evidence that the comment reflects a clear intent to act or instill fear, rather than simply suggesting a frightening outcome.
Yep, that’s how it tends to work.
Until you start calling for people to directly start attacking people, then you are allowed freedom of speech.
Didn’t they arrest some little 4chan Nazi for saying he wanted to kill a cop in Minecraft? Turned out the trick didn’t work for him.
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Gosh! It’s lovely to see that they are such calm, reasonable and intelligent people.
No, see- they already know that the votes to convict were miscounted. They are currently on a crusade to overthrow it 😅
Sounds like a terrorist group. Label them as such
“we are all domestic terrorists”
- GOP
And that’s not being snide - they actually had that on the giant scroller at the rnc convention!
When someone tells you what they are, believe them.
The real quote is “When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.”
And they have shown up repeatedly.
Sadly it seems that anyone with any agency to do something about this kind of thing is already in on it.
One of the blondes pulled a smooth heil wave during that, and we’re still pretending they’re just a differing political party.
It’s only fitting for the man with the best words to finally get a sentence
Disgusting but not too shocking knowing his supporters nowadays.
At this point I’d have been shocked if they didn’t act this way.
Imagine simping for this ugly, rich loser. I’d kind of get it if he was at least hot. Part of me thinks these simps are fake people that Trump and team created.
Mostly fake, foundationally created by pootin to get his favorite puppet elected, and to foment civil war.
And the uber-loser maga simps bought and jumped all in to racist christofascistlandia.
Gee, I wonder why people think Trump supporters are fascists.
I’ll have you know, I also happen to think they’re idiots.
It’s astonishing how quickly republicans have aligned to the behaviours of the Nazi party of the 1930s. They’re leveraging trump’s conviction exactly the same as the Nazis used the Reichstag fire to turn the power of the government against anyone opposed to them.
They’ve been working towards that since the 1930s literally. They planned their own coup attempt largely in the image of Hitler’s 10 years after his beer hall putch. Wealthy American robber barons and elected fascist, I mean Republicans planned to overthrow FDR and replace him with a business/ fascist friendly dictator. Only to do even worse than him and get caught and humiliated still in the planning phase. As a result they took a step back and decided a slower approach would be better. And have spent the last century slowly cranking up the fascism. Till today when people are finally starting to realize nearly a century too late.
I am unfamiliar with this part of history. Is there a Wikipedia article I should read?
Not surprising you hadn’t heard of it. Little came of it, and those alleged to have taken part never faced any prosecution. It came and went very quietly. It’s seldom mentioned today. But George Bush’s grandfather Prescott was part of the conspiracy.
They made the mistake of trying to recruit Smedley fucking Butler to their cause. That action alone speaks to the clear lack of intelligence behind the business plot.
Das wasser ish shmutzig!
