Former president and convicted felon Trump could have difficulty entering nations including the U.K., Ukraine and China.
  • @Letstakealook@lemm.ee
    79•10 months ago

    Damn, a former president is banned from entering more countries than I am. That’s fucking wild and make me feel slightly better about some of the places I’ll never see again.

    • yukichigai
      21•10 months ago

      Which ones and why?

      I sense a fun story and I’m here for it.

      • @Letstakealook@lemm.ee
        37•10 months ago

        Not funny at all, actually. I got a DUI a month after turning 21. Fortunately, nothing terrible happened. There are many countries that either consider a DUI a felony (Canada) or just don’t want you endangering their populace (Japan). There’s quite a list, but it’s less than 37, lol.

          • @Letstakealook@lemm.ee
            12•10 months ago

            I spent six years there as a kid and experienced quite a bit. I really wanted to revisit as an adult, but that’s not in the cards now. I will always cherish the memories of my time spent there, and I’m glad my parents made a point to see as much of the country, people, and culture as possible.

        • @MystikIncarnate@lemmy.caEnglish
          16•10 months ago

          On behalf of my country, I’m sorry.

          I honestly have no idea why Canada sees this as enough of a problem to prohibit you from visiting.

          It’s not like we don’t have people here, who live here, who have DUIs. We do. Lots of them.

          Honestly, while it’s bad, it’s not like you’re coming over the border while driving under the influence. It just feels like something that should, at the very least, fall off, after a few years. Like, you get a DUI in 2020, you can’t visit until 2025 or something like that… As long as you don’t get another DUI or other felony, sure, why not?

          IDK. I’m just some guy, eh?

    • Tar_Alcaran
      26•10 months ago

      Wait, are criminals not allowed to vote in the US?

      Jesus fucking hell, that is not ok.

    • @tal@lemmy.todayEnglish
      6•10 months ago

      I think his state of residence is Florida.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Residences_of_Donald_Trump

      From his birth in 1946 until 2019, Trump listed his primary state of residence as New York; in September 2019, Donald and Melania moved their primary residence to Mar-a-Lago in Florida.[2][3] On January 20, 2021, Trump moved out of the White House preceding the inauguration of Joe Biden.[4]

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_disenfranchisement_in_the_United_States

      Florida is listed as temporarily disenfranchising felons:

      Felons are enfranchised immediately following the full completion of sentences – involving imprisonment and/or parole or probation.

      I don’t know when that starts, but I assume not until sentencing.

      So, in theory, I guess if he’s sentenced to any of those things and the sentence extends across the election, then no, he can’t vote. If he gets probation in New York, then it sounds like he can’t vote.

      But after any sentence is done, he can vote.

      I don’t know for sure whether, if someone is serving time in prison in New York, whether their state of residence is changed to New York, though, or whether it just is treated as their last state of residence (which is what happens if you leave the US and vote from abroad – you vote as if a resident of the state that you last resided in). If he winds up serving time in a New York prison, which I would not expect, and if that changes his state of residence to New York, then New York law would potentially apply.

    • lettruthoutEnglish
      6•10 months ago

      Headlines are saying “yes”, as long as he’s not in jail on election day.

  • @Professorozone@lemmy.world
    84•10 months ago

    You’ve got to love the irony here. He complained for years that people entering at the southern border were criminals and shouldn’t be allowed in and now essentially other countries are saying the same thing about him.

  • @perviouslyiner@lemmy.world
    12•10 months ago

    Not sure why the UK is included here - the travel ban is:

    • has been convicted of a criminal offence in the UK or overseas for which they have received a custodial sentence of 12 months or more
    • is a persistent offender who shows a particular disregard for the law
    • has committed a criminal offence, or offences, which caused serious harm

    Two of those look like something for the Home Secretary to decide, and good luck expecting the Home Secretary to make any sense.

    • @DBT@lemmy.world
      2•10 months ago

      I am a convicted felon who has visited the UK. I was never questioned about it. I entered just like everyone else without it ever being brought up.

      I’m sure it’s different everywhere. I once looked into visiting Canada and recall having to fill out a form or something, but never actually went.

  • @toasteecup@lemmy.worldEnglish
    44•10 months ago

    Wait we don’t allow people with felonies to enter? Quick! Get trump to leave the country!

    I know it doesn’t work that way but God would it be funny.

    • @SkyNTP@lemmy.ml
      38•10 months ago

      I’m pretty sure it’s accepted pretty universally that countries must accept citizens back. Reason being, if they don’t, the rejected person becomes another country’s problem, and that is bad for relations.

      • @kungen@feddit.nu
        26•10 months ago

        It’s unconstitutional to deny a US citizen entry to the US. It’s the same in most other countries. But it still happens in many countries; Sweden for example has had a lot of problems deporting convicted criminals to their homelands, because their homeland refuses to accept them back.

          • @ShepherdPie@midwest.social
            26•10 months ago

            What citizenship? I never saw his long-form birth certificate. Clearly, he’s hiding the truth that he was born on the moon. Musk should pilot Starship to take him back on a one-way trip.

            • Flying Squid
              8•10 months ago

              Remember when Trump said he sent investigators to Hawaii and told us “you wouldn’t believe” what they were finding? And then, I guess, decided that was literally true since he never told us what he decided they had found?

              • @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
                3•10 months ago

                Obviously Trump was worried that if he said something people wouldn’t believe it would hurt his credibility.

    • Patapon Enjoyer
      8•10 months ago

      I hope because of some weird loophole he has to live in an airport like Tom Hanks

  • @Gerudo@lemm.ee
    46•10 months ago

    So, for arguments sake, he wins election. He can’t enter those countries as a nations leader?

    Dear God it’ll be like Kristi Noem who can’t enter half her state because the Indian tribes said so.

    • ASeriesOfPoorChoices
      12•10 months ago

      yep. a great example is the current president of the Philippines.

      Wanted by interpol for millions (billions?) in theft and such, has international arrest warrants out for him, but they couldn’t touch him when he visited New York.

      His mother didn’t join him though, because his immunity doesn’t extend that far.

    • @reddit_sux@lemmy.world
      16•10 months ago

      His ban status will change if he wins. Indian Prime Minister Modi was banned from traveling to US but that changed the moment he was elected as PM.

      • nfhEnglish
        12•10 months ago

        Diplomatic immunity is the inability for someone visiting as a diplomat, which would include a US president visiting another country, to be held to a crime or civil penalty, with countries welcome to expel them for abusing this. I don’t think that applies.

        But a US president who is also a felon could technically be denied correctly by immigration officials, but could reach out to the prime minister to get this fixed, probably in advance.

      • @Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world
        4•10 months ago

        Diplomatic Immunity is granted by a host country and by the country the diplomat came from. It’s not automatically extended. The US historically automatically grants a President diplomat authority but a country can refuse even the highest ranked ambassador if they so choose.

        I might be mistaken but whether or not Trump would be admitted to a country with one of these policies it would likely go to a individual vote or decision making authority of whatever governing body runs the country whether or not to grant him a personal exemption due to his political position.

        It is also worth mentioning that Trump made some really petty and genuinely awful political decisions that created a lot of hardship for some of the countries on this list. A lot of his wheeling and dealing has been picked apart in courts and actually caused the US some issues since in international trade courts. It may be entirely possible that a country with a grudge would disallow a US president entry which could be quite the setback for the US in multinational bargaining and soft diplomacy.