Cripes, what kind of a dick do you have to be to your own dogs to get attacked by them?
There is no evidence that she was being terrible towards the dogs
Some dogs can just snap and decide to not be nice one day, its a good reason you don’t let dogs you’ve seen be calm interact with babies because it only takes a small amount of the dog not being nice to end up harming a baby
Older people have a better chance of surviving dog attacks but the chance isn’t 100% and cases like this can happen
And if I recall correctly this breed is more prone to aggressiveness
I doubt it. Not walking them enough, keeping them cooped up, no outlets - especially if they weren’t fixed. Sad all around, but the dogs are not hatching evil plans, they’re just dogs.
Spay and neuter. Spay and neuter. And adopt.
Dogs can still have the potential to snap regardless if you’ve given them a good life
They could just snap from having a tantrum
Some dogs get older and I assume confused and just snap. My grandmother’s dog, sweetest girl, golden retriever, service dog, previously good with other animals and cats. My Grandmom brought home a kitten and the dog mauled it. Do not trust dogs. Just like people they can do something totally out of character.
Dogs that snapped are not being evil, it’s just them acting on instinct. It’s doesn’t make them bad dogs, but it does make them dangerous.
The kind of dick that keeps dogs like that in the first place.
Sometimes the breed temperament has more to do with it than anything else….
But also assholes all seem to like the same breed so….
Breed temperament is a thing, but all dogs can be good dogs. Most are good with only slight work. People get a breed they can’t handle and no one’s happy.
It pains me to say this as a great dog lover, and someone that has known some very loving pitbulls, Sadly not all dogs can be good dogs.
Like people, some are just born as “assholes”
But yes, breed temperament is a thing. Not an absolute thing, but still a thing.
My buddy legit owns a dire wolf (half wolf, half dog) and never had a problem in the last ten years. He owns a large chunk of property so the dog isn’t restricted to one room in an apartment in the city, and he knows how to handle a large animal. I will say one thing, that thing commands respect, it’s easily 7 foot from back paws to front paws.
Even pitbulls are safe in the right hands. Fuck it, tigers and lions and silverback gorillas are safe in the right environment.
However a proper education in caring for the animals aswell as proper enclosures and a knowledge of the animal and its needs….
Yes you CAN do it, but should Tom from down the street have his own pitbull army and alligator pool in his back yard?
Hard pass.
I’m sure some people can do it safely, but training, registration, safety, etc…. Ban them all as pets unless you get X license, like a gun.
You barely need to pass a background check to get a gun, lol. It’s harder to get a driver’s license. I’m not saying your wrong, just using a gun as reference is not the best comparison. If your doing private transfer of gun ownership, which is completely legal in most states, the background check is irrelevant.
I’m Canadian…. Slightly different standards.
I’m unfamiliar with Canadian law but I bet if your friend or neighbor wanted to sell a gun and you wanted to buy, the background check process would be a lot easier than if you went to a retailer like Walmart or whatever, and would probably still be considered legal.
When my step dad died, it was a difficult process trying to legally sell his hand guns. You can’t buy guns from Walmart here either. That’s so strange that you can where you’re from.
Also guns are inanimate objects
They might be inanimate objects but they are much more destructive than dogs. Can a dog kill you? Yes. Can a gun kill you? Yes, but a gun is much more likely to get the job done than a dog.
Actually all a gun can do is sit there. There is zero chance of your gun killing you. You might accidentally kill yourself with it, but the gun is never going to kill you.
She was probably made of meat
It always ends up the the dogs are kept in the yard or kenneled the entire time
I wonder if Lemmy will be any more Normal about dogs than snoosite was
Update: prognosis is not looking good
Refreshing to see actual discussion rather than the trite copy and paste “oh gee whizz I wonder what the breed it” posts
I can absolutely tell you the pitbull hate has arrived. I have 3 wonderful pits who adore our 10yr and 6yr niece and nephew. They cuddle up with them like teddy bears everytime they come over but according to people here, they want to maul the kids faces off…
How people can’t understand that it’s not the dog, it’s the trainer and environment the dog is brought up in.
Because pitbulls can be raised in a loving environment with great humans and you can do everything right and the pitbull can still be set off or triggered by something many years into its peaceful life and suddenly start attacking people. They can have a moment where they simply snap, and given their strength and determination, that’s dangerous and horrifying.
And people who consciously decide to keep them in their own household, with their own children, are willfully ignorant or downright evil.
My Maltese does not have the physical capability of harming me. No temperament test required.
Not scientific but from observing human behavior in my own weird family genetics mixup, I am convinced that creatures behavior is 80% genetics and 20% environment. And bull-breeds were bred to aggressively tear apart other living creatures.
Why can’t you understand that being capable of snuggling does not make a pitbull incapable of killing.
Honest question. Why do you think aggression isn’t a trait that can be selectively bred for or against? Surely you agree other traits can be bred – herding and pointing, to use some common examples.
There is no reason to own a breed line that. You are just selfish.
Where’s the line? Should normal people also not be able to have German Shepard’s since they’re also dangerous if not raised properly? I had a GS in the past and she was one of the best dogs I’ve ever had, amazing and funny personality and insanely loveable. But that’s because she was brought up in a house where she was treated right and raised right.
Blame the dumbass owners not the dogs themselves ffs. Just because you or someone else is scared of certain dogs doesn’t mean they should be blanket banned for everyone.
Nobody is blaming the dogs. The humans that bred then to have the instinct to never let go until their prey is dead, they are the bad guys here. It’s a bit like how pugs are fraught with health problems their whole lives because people think their funny faces are cute. Not their fault, but they have to live with it. XL bullies aren’t evil. They’re just doing what their breed does. Unfortunately what their breed does ends up killing people quite often.
Or the opposite. I have had 2 rescues that have been amazing. The second has been a ton of work but it’s well worth it because he is one of the most loving and affectionate dogs I have ever met. I also believe that not just anyone should own a bully breed (or many other breeds of dogs for that matter).
In my neighborhood, it’s 2 Golden’s that are always running free and wreaking havoc on other dogs and people. Meanwhile we have the ‘dangerous one’ because he is a pit. Our dog is not permitted outside the house without supervision and a lead if we’re outside the fence (still supervised in the fenced in area). The one time he got out I yelled ‘heel’ and he came right back. Meanwhile, the goldens chase us (and most other residents) into our own yard while the own stands still from his garage just yelling at them but the goldens don’t care. They just bark and snarl and encroach in our (and others) yard.
I argue it’s the opposite of selfish. Giving time, money, and resources to care and save an animal that was abandoned doesn’t exactly seem selfish.
I’m all for rescuing as many dogs as we can as a society (regardless of breed), but serious thought and planning needs to be in place as there are a lot of incapable people out there.
It’s a statistics thing. Sure training has a lot to do with it, but these were dogs bred to be aggressive and thus are more likely to be aggressive, with equal training. On top of that, they were bred to be big and strong. So when they do attack, they can do a lot more damage.
It’s a dangerous combo. Yes I’ve known some super sweet ones. But there are so many other god breeds out there that score high on human compatibility and sociability with other dogs…the question is why even get higher risk dogs?
Statistically the breed is misidentified as well leading to many ‘pitbull’ attacks not being actual pitbulls. Again, I’m not saying they’re not dangerous or that just anyone should own one but they should be treated like any other dog of their ilk. Rotts, German Shepards, Cane Corsos, Dobermanns, all are capable of massive damage but there aren’t nearly as many of those in need of a good home and good guidance. The problem is there are SO MANY pitbulls. By adopting one, I’m helping save a life since they are killed in shelters so much earlier than other breeds. Just like I’m not having kids and if I change my mind one day, I’ll adopt. I can adopt a dog that is at-risk and turn around their life, why wouldn’t I?
Has those Goldens’ havoc ever involved spilled blood?
Not yet but the neighbors German shepherd did bite our late dog’s noise and cause a laceration when they were first getting introduced. I don’t blame the dog. They had just rescued it and still needed socialization (our dog was just fine and it was a controlled environment).
I also have been bitten by a German shepherd that was a family’s dog. That one actually needed stitches. But again, it was a rescue and had a terrible temperament. They had the dog for a while but it was terribly trained and they shouldn’t have had the dog as they couldn’t control it.
Our neighbor’s dog is so sweet and just needed some work. I’m not sure what happened to the other dog but I didn’t want to press chargers or anything. It’s just a dog that needed cared for by someone capable.
Despite having bad experiences with German shepherds, I would never say it’s a problem with the breed. That’s just prejudice and ignorant.
I bet that was the lady’s thoughts too.
“They’ve never killed me before!”
Hate in general is mostly irrational and sadly propaganda plays into the tribalistic nature of humans.
To claim that it’s entirely environmental is to flaunt longstanding understanding on how genetics works. Nobody looks at border collies, with their high intelligence, and say “oh it’s just environment”, or chihuahuas being territorial little shits and say “oh it’s just environment”. These dogs were ENGINEERED to be this way, it’s in their bones.
Pitbulls have been specifically bred for their toughness, their aggression, their locking jaw, and because you happened to get a couple good ones doesn’t invalidate the fact that they are statistically one of the most dangerous breeds to own.
The fact that you just cited the completely made up “locking jaw” myth really shows how valid and researched your opinion is on this topic…
The fact you misrepresented their point to make it sound like a gotcha moment says more about you then the person you replied to.
This must have flown right by me, but what was Reddit’s attitude?
There is at least an entire sub dedicated to hating on pit bulls. I think multiple subs. During its time a few years ago, one specific sub could make it to the top of r/all with 10,000+ upvotes.
Reddit really doesn’t like pit bulls.
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“All pits are violent and will maul any passing child.” It was pretty annoying.
I should remind my pitbull of that fact then. He’s super sweet around children, guess he forgot to attack them all this time 🤷♂️
Not against pits (have a sweet 5 year old brindle boxer-pit mix myself), just was indicating what a lot of redditors basically would basically say whenever the whole idea of pits was brought up, and how I was almost always annoyed by it because it was in the realm of absolutes (pit mixes can be aggressive, but in fairness I’ve seen a few traditionally easy breeds be super aggressive). Apparently that seems to have been continued on lemmy as well. For reference, I’m talking about someone posting a vid or a pic of a pit mix doing something cute or innocuous and then one of the top comments would be how violent pits are.
What would you do if your pitbull hurt a child?
It would never happen, the same as if I owned any other large breed. I would take extra care with my dog around anyone.
Note: My girl has never even looked at anything angrily, she will aggressively sniff you though!
Probably delete the comment for one
pitbulls are disproportionately predisposed to all kinds of violence/mauling. Even though it’s not their fails since they were specifically bred for that purpose.
Dogs? Yes. Satan incarnates born to kill? No.
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Here’s a proposal: First, all dog breeding is regulated as strictly as bars with liquor licenses. Criminal charges and jail time if found doing it illegally.
Breeders and owners are required to have insurance coverage specific to dogs.
Owners are held liable for all damages their dog causes, no matter what. Your dog attacks somebody, mauls them and they seek settlement? It’s on the owners. If the owner cannot be determined, the breeder is held liable.
Or, just make dogs above say, 30 pounds illegal. “But what if your dog is little and just really fat and becomes over 30 pounds?” Then you are fined and told to get your dog healthy within a certain timeframe, say 90 days, or surrender the dog and pay a fine for neglect, or get charged with animal abuse.
“Well then, nobody would want to get/breed dogs that are anywhere close to 30 pounds full grown because of the risk of violating the law.” Yes…that’s good. The only dogs people would have are small dogs that can’t severely maul/kill people even if they do go off the rails.
“But what about hunters or sportspeople that use dogs to hunt or herd?” Plenty of herding/hunting dogs are within that 30 pound weight range, like Corgis or Beagles. Obviously there would be exceptions for government organizations that use large dogs for legitimate purposes like Saint Bernards for search and rescue.
“But muh gawd damn riaghts!!!” go cry about it.
He’s a proposal: you don’t need new Draconian laws every time something bad happens. That’s how politicians pass every bad law. Patriot act ring any bells?
Go contemplate.
Should be distributed laws, not centralized, but you’re a statist, so this convo won’t go any further.
this convo won’t go any further
You’re right about that, which is all that matters here.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The woman, who was in her 50s, was pronounced dead at the scene in Cornwall Close, Hornchurch, and the two registered dogs were safely seized having been contained inside a room, a spokesperson for the Metropolitan police said.
A spokesperson for the Met said: “Police were called to Cornwall Close around 1.12pm … to reports of a woman attacked by a dog.
“These were registered XL bully dogs and prior to officers’ arrival had been contained inside a room in the house.
From 1 February, it became a criminal offence to own the XL bully breed in England and Wales without an exemption certificate.
Footage of an XL bully dog attacking members of the public in the street in Birmingham, including a 11-year-old girl who sustained shoulder and arm injuries, prompted an outcry in September.
In November 2021, 10-year-old Jack Lis was mauled to death by a seven-stone XL bully dog called Beast.
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I’m definitely judging you for your use of single quotation marks. Not a lot, but… I am.
^^^Also metric superior^^^ goddamn superscript isn’t working ffs this was meant to be a non-noticeable addition
“superior”
Well, it is. Objectively so. That’s why it’s the standardised system of measurement internationally…?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_System_of_Units
I agree, of course, I just wanted to see if your desire to chide me for imperial measures outweighed your desire to congratulate my use of double quotes.
It wasn’t about whether you use single or double as much as the context in which he used them.
Sort of like this, which has always annoyed me:
The quote usage is what bothers you about that?
Anything to not mention kilo.
98 pounds/lbs is 44.4 kg.
“XL bully dogs”? Have we stopped saying “pit bull” because of and I never got the memo?
Shocking
me not knowing the breed looks them up via DDG
So she was basically mauled by the Demon Dogs from Ghostbusters.
I Bing’d it and it told me to download Microsoft Edge
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I just binged the shit out of it
He looked it up via Demon Dogs from Ghostbusters
I ducked it up
“So i went and Ducked it”
Eh? Eh?
just one… single… Slip
People can just say “I looked it up” or “searched”, so if they specify the search engine, I assume they are trying to make a passing statement.
people should be required to have really serious animal rescue and psychology training to get one of these dogs (or else astronomical punishment). most people who get these dogs do so on a whim and because of their own unresolved ego issues.
The best dog I ever had was a pit. Sweet as pie, just wanted to cuddle and love. We chose him because he was a big meaty guy with the most adorable face you’d ever seen, and because he needed a home ASAP. We’d take him on walks and people would cat call him from passing cars, or literally stop us and ask if they could dog-sit. He spent nearly a decade with us, just loving and farting and cuddling and snoring.
He really didn’t need any help to become a great dog, except that I needed to train him that the cat was a friend and not something to chase and put our mouth on. That took all of a weekend, and that was after he’d been abandoned and abused for half a year before we got him. I know it’s not true for every individual, but many times all a dog really needs a a good home with people that love it.
like with every “complex” living being there is of course a large spectrum. But to be on the safe side though anyone who wants to get a pit should be able to fairly certainly understand when a dog is stressed via physical cues and should be able to tell when a de-escalation is needed. And I am not talking about “I had dogs all my life I know what I am doing” kind of thing. More like if you are getting a pit from a shelter you should be required to get some serious mandatory training from a professional. This will (along with fines) will maybe help deter people who get pits for the sake of owning a ferocious dog.
Some are good boys that need a home. We adopted a dog of unknown breed, they had his mom (who looked like a black mouth cur), who came in from a kill shelter pregnant.
I still don’t know what breed he is, really don’t care to find out. But he has a lot of bully features. Big puffy chest. Blocky head. Strong jaw. Smart. Highly emotional.
And he’s a fucking marshmallow. An 80lb slobbery marshmallow.
Didn’t even need to put the breed in the title, we already know.
That’s very naive. There’s plenty of breeds of dogs that kill people.
Yeah, that’s true, but in the UK XL Bullies specifically have been doing all the maulings recently that have generated serious press coverage; also they themselves have just been added as the sixth (?) banned canine breed in the UK.
i get that some dogs just have a naturally high prey and aggression drive but a lot of times it has to do with learned behavior at home too :(
No, it’s the video games fault!
/s
This. She must have been giving them treats whenever they killed her.
Probably not, but just giving them attention (positive or negative) whenever they killed her, causing them to associate it with being engaged with
Some dogs can also just snap by throwing a tantrum even when their owners take good care of them
Some dogs will tear up a couch when they have a tantrum, maybe bully dogs tear up people when having a tantrum
Very sorry for the life of this lady.
Shitbulls should be banned.
From the article
From 1 February, it became a criminal offence to own the XL bully breed in England and Wales without an exemption certificate. Anyone who owns one of the dogs must have had the animal neutered, have it microchipped and keep it muzzled and on a lead in public, among other restrictions.
So I’m guessing she got them before they were banned and had an exception so she didn’t have to have them destroyed.
Or didn’t and simply flouted the law.
There’s a stereotype of people who own those breed(s) for a reason.
The article did mention them as “registered”, so I don’t think this applies.
Maybe they just had runescape accounts.
Yeah I saw that but found it strange that it seemed to distinguish between registered dogs and certified owners.
The lady across the street from us used to own a small dog, I think it passed and she recently got an XL bully. She struggles to walk it, always looks angry with the dog, it’s always barking and glaring at me and my family. I have been carrying my gun more recently because I’m waiting for the day that dog decides to try to make a meal out of my two-year-old.
Why are dognuts the way they are? Just get a fucking pom.
Gun nuts are worse
It was two xl bully Yorkies I’m guessing.
Judging by this thread, I’m honestly surprised someone hasn’t said that Chihuahuas are more dangerous yet.
I mean, you’re probably more likely to get bit by a Chihuahua than a pitbull.
But a pitbulls bite is a little bit worse.
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Large dog breeds need to be trained very carefully. My friends have a 100 lbs husky, just a massive wolf looking dog. When he was a pup, he was food protective, so they made sure to train that behavior completely out of Steel(the dog).
In the present day, Steel is 8 years old, in the prime of his physical size and health, and the sweetest boi. With different owners, he’d have negative habits that lead his behaviour and made him dangerous.
