The writing is on the wall–I suspect the next Windows OS will be a subscription service. Gather your ISOs while ye may.
Small businesses that can’t afford a dedicated IT department and pro licenses are gonna love this. I’m sure Linux will pick up more users but the real winner will likely be Apple and Macs.
Small business that can’t afford dedicated IT usually outsource to a consultant or MSP, who damn well better sell them on Pro.
If you can’t afford proper licensing as a business, I doubt you’re gonna make it
I have friends in the SMB consulting space - ALL of their clients run Pro, with at least one DC. Their smallest clients are 2-3 person environments.
A business needs a lot more than a workstation or two - backup, security (IDS/IPS/firewall/spam filtering), email (pretty much all hosted these days). You’re not doing this without pro licensing. You can’t even use Group Policy on home.
These issues truly only affect home users - specifically the non-technical. And that’s such a small set of people it’s almost doesn’t matter to MS, which is why they’re pushing this crap there.
That kind of depends on the business, doesn’t it? I’m sure there are plenty of small businesses that don’t even know what a SMB consulting space is. I suspect there a lot of people running businesses off their laptop. You might have a narrow view of what constitutes a small business.
the real winner will likely be Apple and Macs
I’m sure they will find a way to enshittify in a equally intrusive manner.
Sheesh, talk about overreaction.
Almost all commercial software are advertising their manufacturers other stuff. Ever installed a graphics card driver? How many ads does that show for games and software that can run on the card? Steam also pushes sales by pop-up advertisements.
Google has been fined multiple times because they went much further than just advertising their own stuff.
Can you disable ads on an ad platform with a single setting? Didn’t think so.
So no, Windows 11 is not an ad platform, not even close.
I don’t see an ad in my graphics driver. Even update notifications are optional.
When I open steam, it is because I’m thinking of gaming and most often, I’m hoping for a game deal popup.Though, I’d love to not require opening Steam when I just want to play a game.
And that’s why I’m willing to forego regional pricing and pay almost 4x for GoG games, at least for games I feel like I will be playing for a long time.Are we really comparing a store showing ads to an operating system showing ads?
Google is shit tho, we all know that. But windows 11 is an ad platform.
I urge everyone to install linux on an old notebook and see if it works for you with firefox as a browser and thunderbird for emails
Whatever linux version is on the Steam Deck wasn’t bad to use when I needed Desktop mode. It was pretty similar experience-wise to windows (no mac experience).
SteamOS is based on Arch, which you do not want to use and maintain as a beginner. what matter is the desktop environment, which in SteamOS’ case is KDE Plasma, a great choice in my completely unbiased opinion.
Good points. Its worth mentioning that while SteamOS is based on arch (a famously unstable distro), it is immutable, so the user will have a much harder time bricking their system. KDE plasma was the right choice I agree, considering the number of windows users Valve is marketing towards.
That’s probably KDE - the K Desktop Environment. Linux variants are called “distributions” and they are basically software bundles maintained by groups.
Desktop environments are basically bundled themes and software to present a desktop, bars, effects, and so on. Windows basically has one desktop environment, but linux has many: Most popular are KDE (windows like) and Gnome (Mac like), but there are more like Cinnamon, XFCE, LXQt, LXDE, which look more like windows.
Desktop environments also have window managers - they do what they say, manage your windows: maximize and minimize them, stack them (stacking window managers), tile them (tiling window managers), or even allow only one window at a time (like kiosks).
If you want to start your linux journey, grab bazzite if you want to game or linux mint debian edition (comes standard with cinnamon desktop environment, but you have the choice during installation to use KDE too) and give it a go!
You can also test distros (linux mint for example) online!
This is good to know. I want to put Mint on my laptop but I do like the look of steamdeck desktop too.
That linux distro tester is really cool. Bazzite is also pretty neat. Thanks for sharing!
If you want to game, my advice would be not to bother with Nvidia GPUs. Even the ones that advertise support for it often have lots of weird issues. In my case, this includes Bazzite.
I love Linux but Programs like CAD and professional graphics software don’t run. Still Linux is only an option for programming and gaming.
Or better yet try it on your main notebook/desktop. Try to get the same things done you did before with Windows and if it works for you, stick with it.
yeah, Id recommend switching on your secondary machine, so you can try it out and use it properly, but not get frustrated if it does something you don’t expect.
I tried the odd distro here and there over the years on my old laptop/“secondary” device or whatever you want to call it, and while you get some experience with the different desktop environments and whatnot, I can’t fully replicate what I’m doing with my main computer on my older laptop. Gaming is a big thing for me for example, and my laptop has an old GeForce MX250 which doesn’t cut it for today’s games.
What I ended up doing to really give desktop Linux a try was installing it onto a separate SSD on my main machine. You don’t need a separate SSD of course, you could just repartition your existing one and install a Linux distro side by side with your existing Windows installation.
And then I just used my computer (or attempted to) for whatever I would’ve done on Windows at that time. So if I wanted to play a game, I tried installing it (via Steam or Bottles for example) and checked whether it worked. Same with voice chat, screen sharing, development stuff, photo editing, media consumption etc. The few times I booted up Windows again was to update the firmware of a game controller and to transfer save games I hadn’t backed up elsewhere (my Windows partition is BitLocker encrypted and while you can certainly mount it under Linux, I didn’t feel like it, rebooting was much quicker).
Sure, using an old device can work for checking out some things, but at least for me I wasn’t sure at all until I tried doing stuff on Linux that I also did on Windows. YMMV.
If you have actual work to do then I would HIGHLY suggest not doing it on your main machine. Give it a month on a secondary machine before giving up. If you install it on a Friday night and come Sunday night it’s still not working fully you’re gonna go back to Windows and never go back.
Can’t really see any reason to use Thunderbird when every mail service has a web client that looks and works better…
Well but Thunderbird can get mails from dozens of email addresses at the same time.
I have hundreds of email addresses and they all come to the same inbox. 🤷
Why Thunderbird
Because it works well
What about round cube?
It is cross platform. Users can try it, regardless of the OS and do not have to switch behavior when switching the OS.
I’ve been using Thunderbird for years and it’s great as an Outlook substitute.
cue the "one of our devs slipped and fell on a keyboard, completely coincidentally hitting all the right keys in the right order to code this. Completely coincidentally! "
Makes me really glad that my Win 10 machine can’t be upgraded – despite upgrading to Win 11 being one of the selling points when I bought it. It may have something to do with the kludge to make Home accept a group policy. I’m also quite happy; I never intended to install Win 11 on it, so stopping the reminders that it’s ready to go was a blessing.
I’ve always planned to replace Windows with Linux anyway. Mint, either Ubuntu or Debian flavor, has been a great replacement on my 2008-era Macbook (still in use) after Apple pulled a similar stunt 15 years ago. I see no reason not to take the same route with more modern Dells. With advances in Wine for gaming, there’s not much I need to do that Firefox and LibreOffice don’t handle.
At this rate we maybe forced to watch a 1 minute unskippable ad before logging in
. . . unless you want to pay a nominal monthly fee.
Even then, you’ll be opted into sharing your information with Microsoft and their 942 business partners.
Honestly, kinda glad that my win10 PC “doesn’t have the specs” to run win11. Stupid, because I’m running an 18-core Xeon w/ 128 gigs of ram and a 2070 super, but of course the stupid TPM chip. But oh well, guess I won’t be able to get ads on my own product.
The bummer is I’ll likely need to install it on something because I occasionally need to go back to windows to use certain programs… maybe someday wine will work well enough to actually use reliably…
Oh don’t worry, if this isn’t already in 10 I’m sure they’ll be bringing it over shortly.
Ah-hem: https://reactos.org/
I’m still learning how to use this but let me know what you think.
Is it 64 bit yet?
Are you absolutely sure the programs you need don’t work in wine/proton? The last few years have been a renaissance in terms of increased compatibility.
I tried fusion360 last week and it was broken; some big update they released broke it and now I just gagged to wait for it to get fixed, I guess. Will try it again in a month or so asked are if it’s fixed… but I’ve always had awful luck getting wine working. Same w/ photoshop
Yeah, I’ve heard Photoshop can be rough. Here’s hoping someone figures those out for you so you can find your way to the promised land. These days everything important to me works in Linux and I’m never going back.
One game I used to play recently started working suddenly in the latest proton major release (I think 9), it wasn’t mentioned in the release notes and it has no community around the game since it was released around windows vista, as well as being pulled from stores for many years (I still have it on steam) so I don’t think anyone intentionally fixed it but probably just a result of some system call being implemented or tweaked to behave closer to correct.
So yeah, it’s very good to test your broken wine apps every 6 months to a year because slowly anything I ever had issues with in wine is starting to work.
Is it possible to run what you need in a VM? That’s how I’ve been running things that need Windows to function correctly and it hasn’t broken yet. Can even get 11 working with an emulated TPM, including Windows Subsystem for Linux inside the VM if you’re feeling particularly bored.
Get LTSC and run the MS scripts to permanently license it.
I’ll drop links in a bit - on phone atm.
I have LTSC 2021 officially (MSDN) and I have to say I’m not very impressed. You still can’t turn off the telemetry crap. There is still a windows store. There’s a bit less bundled scamware but beside that it’s a bit overrated IMO.
Group Policy.
Enterprises can’t allow such external accesses/data for security and compliance issues (depending on the industry).
Via GP, all that can be disabled.
Even all the telemetry?
I really hate dealing with group policies (and I work in enterprise endpoint management, I prefer more modern management). AD/Group policies can only be updated on site or VPN, and they’re only really instructions for registry settings anyway.
But I’ll try that out. I don’t have a windows server though, nor do I want one. But I guess I could use gpedit.
Carls JrMicrosoft Windows. Fuck you, I’m eating!some are talking about this like it’s going to be the straw that breaks the camels back and suddenly everyone will flock to a Linux distro, but, realistically, most market share is based on what companies use for work stations, and companies ain’t gonna change unless it starts to seriously impact productivity or it cost them more.
For personal/freelance-work computers, some people will just suck it up because of inertia. Of those who just can’t stand it… most will probably buy a mac next time they get a computer. There will probably be an increase in Linux usership, but it’s probably gonna be a 5-1% change in market share, depending on how fucked 11 ends up being as time goes on.
Probably the biggest increase in market share will be from schools adopting chrome books or the like.
I’m anticipating that an ad-free version will be made available on educational or commercial licenses–or to home users for a nominal monthly fee. This mirrors the model used by Hulu, Prime, et al so there’s a roadmap in place for it.
I’m with you re: FOSS OS migration. Some folks will but the majority will stick with Windows because that’s what they do. It amazes me how many people think that Windows and MacOS are the only possible choices.
Now I’m wondering if the point of the ads is not to make revenue, but to get people used to paying a subscription fee for their OS by way of a “removing ads” fee, maybe they start bundling other things into the subscription version like game pass or office to sweeten the deal, then slowly transition to a purely subscription model.
This is my assumption, and there’s a roadmap in place already.
We are introducing a new Game Pass recommendation card on the Settings homepage.
They are saying like they just invented something amazing, yet they are just pushing a fucking ad.
The Game Pass recommendation card on Settings Homepage will be shown to you if you actively play games on your PC.
How would you know what we actively do on our PCs, huh? Huh???
Good news is that you can turn off most ads, including app promotions in Windows 11’s start menu.
For now, but you have to be extremely naive to believe they don’t plan to change this as soons as they reach a certain number of users. They already did things like that in the past.
Enshittification comes for all things eventually. “You’ll own nothing and like it.”
Yeah that slogan really captured very well the intentions at the world economic forum.
I know it’s not what they officially stated but it really captured (they since walked it back and said it only was meant to “describe emerging trends”) the intentions of what happens when they all come to Davos and divide the world between them.
But I don’t believe “as a service” models are more sustainable. They will just enable more rent-seeking behaviour meaning we will get even less for our money. The incentive to deliver will be even lower as they will get paid anyhow.
My Sibling in Christ, giving us less for our money and giving them more control over our lives is the intent of all of this. Time to seize the means of computation.
Probably something that could be dns blocked. Hopefully anyway.
I hope so, sincerely hope so.
How long before the majority of game development is defaulting to Linux/Unix instead of windows? Getting native Linux games to run on windows is only becoming easier and easier with WSL? To me it seems like less of a hastle than trying to go the other way like we do today with proton and wine. Can someone enlighten me?
I’m naive enough to think it would happen faster if there were more market demand, but that’s likely my 1990s programming failing to adjust to the 21st century.
In my naive mind the steam deck is a huge motivating factor for developers to go directly to native Linux games. In reality it’s probably given only little a consideration.
According to Steam’s own survey, Linux is still less than 2% of the user base and it doesn’t look like it’s changing much. I don’t know how it has looked historically though but probably not too much different.
Realistically speaking, it’s only a small percentage of people who bought the Steam Deck, and they probably already had a gaming PC, which means they probably had a Windows PC.
So unfortunately, I don’t think Linux gaming is anywhere close.
3 things I’m still looking to get in one distro and Windows will be gone. Not looking to have my desk/lap turn into another ad platform like phones did.
Easy drive mapping for remote shares, most have this but some are a bit clunky.
Solid games support, mostly a WINE thing. One called Bazzite looks promising with a pile of pre-configured profiles.
Easy and reliable connection to a DC so the same creds can be used across multiple machines. This is probably the hardest part in Nix at this point.
Otherwise pretty well every app I use is web based and hosted on some local server, or has a Nix native variant.
I have had some good luck with Bottles.
Its pretty freaking solid!
I have not, the last time I made a real effort at moving to Nix for games was quite a while ago. The big factor is if I can get GOG working since that’s the preferred platform here.
GOG is easy to setup through Bottles. :)
I wonder if Fedora would have a toolchain for networked credential management, with its connection to RedHat and everything
Probably worth a shot. I’ve gotten it working on a version of Ubuntu in the past, but it was far from the simplicity of select domain, give join creds, and reboot that it is with Windows yet.
Linux has had LDAP and other ways to use the same credentials across multiple machines since forever ago.
I know it exists, have gotten it working with one of those AD compatible samba based DCs before, but not without some messing about. I’d really like to see it as simple as it is in Windows before saying it’s a drop in replacement.
Tried the other day with Mint and ran into something where one of the searches promoted manually editing the hosts file to point to the DC and Kerberos address. That kind of thing shouldn’t be required and is the kind of buggery I’d like to see sorted out.
I suspect the next Windows OS will be a subscription service
I don’t think so. It’ll be more like Android, “free” and full of invasive telemetry which is then used to serve you more and more ads.
When you frame it that way, I start to think yours is the more likely prediction.
I love ads. I love what Microsoft and the likes are doing.
Said no one ever
I gotta admit you had me in the first half . . .
It gets more confusing when you read their user name
Haha. Are you telling me that we all don’t mutually love these attempts to personalize advertisements? There’s nothing better than knowing our personal information is being used for our benefit this way. Look at films like Blade Runner. I can’t wait to have bright fluorescent ads on every corner and open space.
Without these things, how else am I going to know which medication I should be insisting my doctor prescribe me? And clearly this insurance company with the funny ad is totally going to be there on my side when something happens. That’s why they made the commercial, duh. So I would absolutely be certain I can trust them to quickly and fully process a claim.
There’s nothing cozier than the snug embrace of consumerism, where we find a peculiar warmth, as if cocooned in a comforter spun from the very fibers of advertising’s allure.
Once again we bathe in the light of the Omnissiah!
The scary thing is, this is legit how the marketing course I had to take taught the concepts. The whole course was from the perspective that people are too dumb or overburdened to make decisions on what products they should buy, so marketing and ads are our savior to take that oh so hard critical thinking away. I wish I was kidding, but everything about that class felt like “how can we abuse psychology to force people to consume.”
This could work. If we had serious serious consequences for false advertising and lying in media lol so never.
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I have friends that dont mind that bs, they say yeah sure its convenient to have ads that are interesting to me, how else am i gonna discover cool new things.
I dont know Frank, if you didnt think of it you probably dont need it.
How i hate capitalism
I honestly find this incredible, but yeah… I know people who enjoy being advertised to… and who like “shopping” even though they start out with nothing in mind. Advertising works on them and probably those spam emails I can’t believe people click, which only perpetuates the problem. And apparently it’s worth billions to keep up the commercialization.
I hate shopping i hate it more than anything. I dont need shit. Just leave me alone, if my shirts get worn out i buy new ones. And only then. I dont throw them out cause i bought new ones and i dont need 200 of them. I buy shirts when i need them.
Guess most people aren’t like me and thats why these companies exist in the first place.
I don’t disagree, but discoverability is important. On the flipside there are so many times in FOSS world where I’ve actively looked for a tool for months, only to give up and then months later have someone randomly mention it in a thread where I discover it has existed for years.
