Weird choice of quotes and headlines:
From the OP article:
“He has been “uncharacteristically vocal” about his support during press calls for his new film, Unfrosted, The New York Times reported.”
From the NYT link in the quote:
“As Mr. Seinfeld, who has recently been vocal about his support for Israel, received an honorary degree, dozens of students walked out and chanted, “Free, free Palestine,” while the comedian looked on and smiled tensely”
But when you go to the link to the NY Times article that references Mr. Seinfeld as being recently vocal about his support of Israel, one of the concluding comments in the article is:
Surely, Mr. Seinfeld sees it differently. His public comments have largely avoided geopolitical specifics, dwelling little on the choices of the Netanyahu government or prospective conditions for a cease-fire.
And he can still sound hesitant even in recent discussions about the Jewishness of “Seinfeld” — which an NBC executive once described as “too New York, too Jewish.”
Nothing about this makes me think Seinfield is a a strong supported of the war. Support for Israel after the attack can be a lot of things and does not mean pro Netanyahu war machine.
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yeah, the guy who dated a 17 year old in his 30s.
I’m really not sure what the Duke administration was thinking.
They either weren’t considering it at all or considered it a plus. Awful look either way!
39-year-old Jerry Seinfeld with his 17-year-old girlfriend Shoshanna Lonstein in 1993
I find it funny that everyone assumed they walked out over Gaza, while I assumed it was because Jerry Seinfeld isn’t funny.
I just figured it was cause he’s an egotistical asshole.
Which coincidentally is the primary reason I’ve never found him funny. All egotistical assholes I’ve ever met thought they are hilarious. They are mostly just incredibly cruel and bigoted.
I thought he was funny playing a petty, egotistical asshole as a character. It became a lot less funny after realizing he’s just like that.
Watching Seinfeld is like watching people endlessly criticize others because they are given license to since they themselves are jokes. Never will you find a heartfelt moment. Never will you see someone reflect on how awful they’ve been to other people.
George trys to but is instantly ridiculed.
“No hugging, no learning” was a writing rule for the Seinfeld show. The lack of reflection and heartfelt moments is an intentional response to other sitcoms of the era.
Well looking at it in retrospect it’s a monument to assholes.
Same goes for Ricky Gervais IMO…shout out to Karl Pilkington who genuinely was the funniest part of Derek before he became fatigued with Ricky’s bullshit.
I kind of liked Gervais at one point, but I realized he was still one of those types, just one I agree with occasionally. So I don’t follow him anymore.
He just followed Cleese in doing that.
Cleese wears the lampshare well though.
Seinfeld thinks he has important things to say. The show’s Hot Coffee arc and the jabs at the “A dingo ate my baby!” woman didn’t age well.
well i mean, its duke
duke sucks
What, and miss the opportunity to throw things at him?
Or organize the crowd to laugh whenever he says something serious but never at anything intended to be funny
He would 100% take that as a win
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In 2010 or so I went to Cornell for the graduation ceremony of a family member of mine from their business school. The keynote speaker was Rudy Giuliani. His speech about living life with integrity really aged well lol.
Alum, maybe?
He was receiving an honorary degree from Duke and spoke at the commencement.
Why? Was it for his work in underage dating?
he never actually dated anyone under 18. but I’m sure someone will chime in with a slightly different strawman to try to rage at someone else because they hate their own life
Her name is Shoshanna Lonstein Gruss. They started dating when she was 17 and he was 38. No strawman.
Is it really hard to believe that a celebrity was dating someone way too young? It should be illegal to have schools in LA.
They did not start actually dating until she was 18 according to many things I read but people will still die on this hill no matter what I say and no matter what they read.
This was the same era when Bill Clinton claimed he did not have sex with Monica Lewinsky because it was only a blow job.
“Dating” just means they claimed not to have had sex until she was 18. He still met her by herself in a park and had private time with her when she was underaged. We call that today Grooming. Jerry Seinfeld is a groomer.
Check out that moving goalpost!
He Mastered in it.
And here I thought it was a minor
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What did he say?
literally nothing. the only people who walked out were pro palestine
It wasn’t about the commencement speech
Love his TV show but unfortunately he’s a dick IRL.
https://consequence.net/2024/05/jerry-seinfeld-pro-palestine-students-duke/
Nothing is obligating you to respond this way other than some amount of respect you have for this bigot. DONT sugar coat your ability to look the other way in the face of bigotry.
Ever since be took Leno‘s side in the Tonight Show feud between Leno and Conan, he became non redeemable to me.
That’s like the least bad thing he’s done.
His character is kinda a dick in the show too.
The ending of the show kinda makes me think they were the original IASIP gang. Every other character outside of the main group thought they were assholes, and they literally went to jail for it.
Of course they were annoying assholes, that’s why we watched it. They’re New Yorkers ffs.
Sunny was originally marketed as “Seinfeld on crack.”
“haha, we knew we assholes along!”
It was also universally hated by fans. IASIP made sure there was no confusion about the characters morality.
That’s not why it was hated, it was hated because it was a bad and abrupt ending that didn’t go with the rest of the show.
I don’t think anyone was under any illusions that the Seinfeld characters were supposed to be anything other than horrible people.
There were definitely people who modeled their behavior or at least excused their actions based on Seinfeld. My aunt for instance.
There’s a long, long history of idiots missing the point of various pieces of fiction. The Prince, Fight Club and the original MS Gundam come to mind. Yoshikazu Yasuhiko even felt the need create Gundam: The Origin because too many kids thought Gundam’s message was “War is cool”.
He wasn’t why the show was funny
Any show named after the main character can run perfectly well without it.
Dawsons creek Seinfeld Will and grace Etc.
Friends would have been okay with Janice and Gunter. Community only needs the Dean. The big bang theory would have been better with just a black screen.
I think you mean The big bang theory would have been better without the big bang (although pre season 4 isn’t too bad).
Community only needs the Dean.
I mean, technically, yes. It would work but it wouldn’t be Community. Abed is the cornerstone though if set alone wouldn’t work out, you also need sidekick Troy as an audience surrogate so we can all ride along. Troy&Abed on a space station would still be Community with different support characters.
Community to return as a Red Dwarf reboot?
🎶 Troy&Abed on a space station 🎶
I’m confused. By all accounts Jerry and the entire cast came together to point out their hate for Trump and Republicans. But because he doesn’t agree with one issue he’s been labeled as a right winger? I’m so far left that young leftists think I’m too extreme, to the point where they call be right wing for disagreeing with every tiny thing they say. The young left have become the keepers of “right/wrong think”
Edit: a lot of young people who call themselves left, are doing everything possible to push people away from the left, instead of making them allies.
It’s just the rise of loud, groupthink edgelords, refusing to think past a hyper-emotional brainwash.
Opposing a genocide and those who support it makes you a hyper-emotional edgelord? That’s quite the edgelord take on the subject.
Can you point out where anyone labeled him as a “right winger?”
Your comment is a complete false dichotomy based solely off a strawman argument.
You’re not paying attention. I’ve seen him called right wing quite a few times outside of Lemmy, different forums etc. Also lots of articles out there essentially calling him the new right wing mouthpiece.
All you gotta do is Google
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Damn. This is a great response!
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“”“One issue”“”
Which is supporting a genocide.
Also he’s recently joined the whole “woke has ruined comedy” bit. Which is very much right wing.
Oh and he’s also a predator that dated a teenager when he was in his 30s.
I’m so far left that young leftists think I’m too extreme
Sure you are, champ.
they call be right wing for disagreeing with every tiny thing they say
You’re so close to a moment of self-awareness, and yet so far.
Kid I’ve been left since before you were nothing but ball juice
You’re 40, you’re a child in both in age and mentality.
Must be true Insaan said it. If you only knew. I didn’t grow up in Western comfort like you, I’ve washed brains off my sidewalk after guerrilla offensives into my town. I’m a native of this continent, not some colonizer remnant. I’ve seen your western brutality and the hypocrisy and patriarchal bullshit that comes with it. All you do is talk on the internet but you don’t actually do Jack shit about anything. Grab your guns and travel to Gaza, that would be a start
That’s how it works these days.
I’m pro-trans, but I’m not pro-trans people in women’s sports. This makes me a anti-trans nazi in the vast majority of leftie/progressivist people’s eyes, who clearly is a closeted Trump supporter. It’s the whole ‘we must be intolerant of intertolerance’ type fo thing… but they’ve twist it to ‘we must be intolerant of any disagreement whatsoever with our unrealistic ideological agenda that has no basis in a factual reality’.
There is no allowance for variance of reasonable opinion or an objective reality. You are with us, or against us, and therefore the enemy.
Lefties and young folks who are left leaning tend to be as braindead and lockstep as the Trumpers they claim to hate.
How often did you watch women’s sports before you became aware of the controversial issue of trans women competing in them?
“I’m pro-trans, but I’m not pro-trans people in women’s sports.”
If you’re “pro-trans” then that means you believe that, for example, a trans woman is a woman, because she says she is.
So then you don’t believe women should compete in women’s sports?
…
Showing your ass there, huh?
My opinion on trans athletes is that I lack the qualifications to have an opinion. What happens to the human body during transition should be pretty well-documented by now, though. I’m sure if there’s any real problem, the doctors who work in gender-affirming care would be pretty vocal about it.
They’re biased, though. I don’t assign a moral value to that, I mean sociologically.
Fucking lol
The doctors who research this stuff for a living are biased
Science is biased
Reality is biased
You’re a regressive who hates that reality disagrees with you and would prefer to live in a fantasy world of your own making
Uh, calm down mate. Maybe you think you’re replying to somebody else? A doctor making their living from providing transgender healthcare is absolutely a biased party, as is any researcher choosing to focus on this topic. That’s reflexivity, it’s quite important to acknowledge.
This is some top notch conspiracy theory you got there. A sanity check, religious foundations are funding most TERFy propaganda and “free-speech” absolute-bullshit-ism. https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/2600-leaked-anti-trans-lobbyist-emails Are they more biased than international medical bodies? (American Psychological Organization advocates for trans youth https://www.apa.org/monitor/2022/07/advocating-transgender-nonbinary-youths World Health professional Association advocates for transgender adults and youth https://www.wpath.org/publications/soc) Are you condemning their consensus just because they are interested in the topic? That is moronic. What about the nazis? Are they less biased because they are less invested in transmisogyny? ( https://www.versobooks.com/blogs/news/4188-the-eradication-of-talmudic-abstractions-anti-semitism-transmisogyny-and-the-national-socialist-project ) What about litigation that has come from independent judges, like Forstater’s TERFism was bashed by the first judge as “unworthy of respect in a democratic society”? What about the appeal court that deliberated that she can believe whatever she wants but still can’t misgender trans and non-binary people? (https://criticallegalthinking.com/2021/06/29/not-a-nazi-but-forstater-v-cgd-europe/ ) What about the biologists that independently conclude that biological sex is a spectrum? ( Scientific American visualizing sex as a spectrum https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/sa-visual/visualizing-sex-as-a-spectrum/ 1600 biologists condemns Trump anti-transgender proposal https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46067559 Super low rates of regrets or detransition in trans youth https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/landmark-systematic-review-of-trans Transphobe christian psychiatrist McHugh is wrong, transition mental health outcomes https://genderanalysis.net/2015/09/paul-mchugh-is-wrong-transitioning-is-effective-gender-analysis-10/
Jon Stewart destroys ignorant GOP lawmaker for criminalizing youth transition https://iv.datura.network/watch?v=NPmjNYt71fk Scientific American Trans girls belong to female Sports https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trans-girls-belong-on-girls-sports-teams/) You are not talking about individual researchers pal, you are talking about the mainstream medical establishment and legal institutions. So crawl back to your cave or wherever you came from and socialize animals that have no gender identity, as it is apparently the only way to preserve your fragile heteronormativity, lmao.I haven’t even stated my position. Clearly some people suffer from gender dysphoria and evidently they are happier living as the other sex. They should be free to do so.
Buddy that’s like saying you won’t listen to physicists about gravity because they’re biased
Researching and reporting on scientific realities isn’t bias
It’s stating the truth
You would definitely need to acknowledge a physicist’s bias towards the theory they have chosen to research. That’s absolutely a thing! I’m not saying anything controversial here. I don’t even like sociology very much, reflexivity is boring and over-emphasised but it’s a legitimate issue, and it’s a big issue in transgender medicine. Which people are very keen to point out when the research doesn’t agree with their own position.
with our unrealistic ideological agenda that has no basis in a factual reality
I think I’ve spotted their issue with you.
“Have you heard of these men pretending to be women to win in female sports? I weep for society etc etc”
The notion that people transition to gain social benefits, real or perceived, is absurd.
In fact people who transition are aware that transitioning will bring them to a lesser social status and overall heightened risk.
Unemployment, homelessness, subpar health services, and violence.
There is a driving force greater than these social losses that makes them transition anyway.
Bigots and ignorants might as well stop the hatred-mongering for a second and think, what the fuck that force could be.
The response: Increased mental health benefits from transitioning to live life in way true to their self.
Many homophobe clergymen might think that this equals publicly announcing you take it up the butt, but in fact
it is an expression of identity that cisgender people enjoy without question.
When put this way, without all the TERF/nazi dogwhistling (“groomers”, “trans-identified males”, “biological males”, “degenerates”, etc),
it gets harder and harder to keep pretending that the driving force behind the anti-gender movement is not hatred.
How can you possibly say “I want mental health outcomes only for cisgender people” without being exposed as a total hatemonger and bigot?
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/sa-visual/visualizing-sex-as-a-spectrum/
https://genderanalysis.net/2015/09/paul-mchugh-is-wrong-transitioning-is-effective-gender-analysis-10/
https://iv.datura.network/watch?v=NPmjNYt71fk
https://www.apa.org/monitor/2022/07/advocating-transgender-nonbinary-youths
https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/2600-leaked-anti-trans-lobbyist-emails
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trans-girls-belong-on-girls-sports-teams/
https://www.wpath.org/publications/soc
Annoying aren’t they.
TubularTittyFrog seems like as good as any to block.
I’ve always found the left more annoying than the right. The right are wrong, but the left are self-righteous smug dickheads. Liberals are like a chimera of both and I think that’s why I hate them more than the right even though they’re objectively less bad. That’s my shitty analysis anyway.
And the dude openly dated a minor when he was nearly 40, "Shoshanna is a person, not an age. She is extremely bright. She’s funny, sharp, very alert. We just get along. You can hear the click.”
Chappelle has said far worse things about every other race than Richards did about black people that night, but as we know that somehow doesn’t count
But what about another situation no-one is talking about!
You might not have noticed, but young adults aren’t big Chapelle fans these days either. The whole transphobia thing doesn’t play so well with the under-40s.
Sure this applies only if you also think that Chappelle should also be tarred and feathered. But you’re here wanting to forgive both of them.
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And Chapelle’s comedy is cringe and awful, and completely unrelated to the topic at-hand. Nice strawman.
I’m sure you love strawmen, you get to burn down someone whose opinion deviates from yours even a little. We used to call it “wrong think” when we were actually fighting for people’s rights and not just being arrogant assholes, pushing everyone away from the left.
“Even a little”. You fall off a cliff if you move slightly in the wrong direction, “Even a little”.
So you admit that budging is wrong think.
Only if it’s about issues like genocide. “A sprinkle of genocide is fine” is what psychos think like.
The “one issue” happens to be supporting a genocide, so it’s kind of a big one? I haven’t seen anyone calling him right-wing, but you can bet if cops were firing rubber bullets at peaceful student protesters under a republican administration, every lefty from NY to LA would be wringing their hands and crying “fascism”. The times they are a-changing my friend. It’s not just about left or right, and I’m glad these kids understand that.
What’s the deal with college kids these days?
Took me a second
Title of your sex tape.
Not even worth the film.
Their sex tape was shot with a Polaroid.
I call mine “A Tale of Two Dissappointments”. Was going for a literary-arthouse vibe. Most of the budget (about $5.13 and a pack of Welch’s-brand fruit snacks) went to wardrobe, leaving little for production (not to mention post-production). It went a surprisingly long way though as the miniature costumes were very light on raw materials and the labor was handled through an unpaid internship given to a student at the local Liberal Arts college that was majoring in Experimental Puppet Theater.
The guy who said woke (aka not self centered sociopaths) have ruined comedy even though his partner on Seinfeld has had a wildly successful hit comedy series burning everyone for like eight years?
does anyone under 40 watch Curb?
I’m sure you can look up the demographics but I’m not sure how it would change the point
Me. I watch curb and I’m in my 20s
I started watching at like age 20. This is a bad take.
8 years? Try 24 years of Curb your Enthusiasm and it was glorious.
Also Always Sunny in Philadelphia exists and proves Seinfeld wrong as well.
Try 24 years of Curb your Enthusiasm and it
wasis glorious.The newest season just ended.
The final season was glorious. It’s over now unfortunately.
Last season :’(
Last season :’(
He’s been saying that since season 5.
🤞
- Jfc
- Absolutely
I forget where I heard it but I’ve never forgotten it: Comedy punches up, bullying punches down. The only people who are afraid of getting canceled are the ones who do the latter.
Tomorrow he’s going to complain about being “cancelled” and how he “can’t say things anymore” while talking about the event where he was invited to speak in front of a college full of students.
You can say whatever you want, people don’t have to listen.
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The supreme Court has described it as freedom of speech not being freedom from speech.
tomorrow he
no he’s not, this is a nothing burger that has nothing at all to do with his comedy
invited
be mad at the people who invited him if you’re going to be outraged at something.
CoMeDy Is DeAd.
No. We’re just through with your bigotry disguised as humor.
That wasn’t it at all.
The only people who left were pro-palestine nutjobs and there weren’t even that many of them
“The people doing this boycott are just anti-Rhodesia nutjobs and there aren’t even that many.” -some jackass in 1975
Who are all these people Jerry?
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Wow. Those protestors are so violent. Call the riot squad!
Anti-semites!¡
