The content on all the communities seem different.
Why didn’t the “copycats” get the “this community name has already been taken” message?
It was bad enough at The Other Place finding one overlooked sub about one of your interests.
Now you have to find every single community in every single instance if you hope to talk about your topic?
I mean, look at this:
No Stupid Questions@lemmy.world
No Stupid Questions@kbin.social
No Stupid Questions@lemmy.ca
No Stupid Questions@mander.xyz
Subscribe to all of them and enjoy.
You don’t have to. You can, if you want. You have options in your life. You could always just go plant tomatoes instead. 🍅
For real, man. Homegrown tomatoes are fkn delicious.
If y’all aren’t growing your own butter lettuce then you’re missing out on one of the best things in life
Ever had dry farmed tomatoes? They’re like regular homegrown tomatoes but with twice the flavor.
What’s dry farming? Limiting water supply?
Essentially no watering. Only works with places with some mild temps, a 20 inches of rain per year, and some morning fog etc.
Where appropriate climate and soil conditions exist, growing dry-farmed tomatoes can be a good option for specialty crops growers. Dry farming generates an intensely flavored crop much prized by consumers and retailers.
A limited number of geographic regions are suited to dry farming, which requires adequate winter rainfall and—in the case of annual crops—a summer-time marine influence that generates cool mornings and warm afternoons. These climatic conditions, combined with careful soil preparation, appropriate variety selection, adequate plant spacing, and vigilant weed control are all required to successfully produce dry-farmed crops.
Thanks for your reply. I haven’t heard about this directly, but I have noticed that birds-eye-chilly plants(don’t know if this is the right name for it) get chillies that are so much more eye-watering-throat-burning-ass-blastingly spicy in the summer than other seasons. It even seems to do better when it’s NOT watered than when it is.
But then there would be my tomatoes and the ones at each of my local grocery stores. Am I supposed to go get some from everywhere to enjoy tomatoes?
It seems to me like there are 5 places the grocery store has tomatoes and and you need to check all 5 places before you know which place you should buy from. Then, maybe next time you’re at the grocery store, a different spot will have the better tomatoes and there are also 3 other new tomato stands in the store.
I’m definitely grateful for lemmy or kbin or mastodon or wherever the fuck I am right now as a reddit replacement, but this shit is confusing and annoying
I think the idea is people coming from a grocery store where all the fruit and vegetables were centralized in a “produce” section and then going to a Farmers’ Market and complaining that multiple stalls sell tomatoes and having to visit all of them to go tomato shopping.
At least that’s what I’m getting from these comments. I’m new here too, and getting used to it, but I get a Farmers’ Market vibe.
That’s a good perspective. Thank you for that. I’ll try to look at it like a farmer’s market from now on
Sure, and if you choose the correct place in the grocery store to get your tomatoes, you have all the fixings for a nice pico de gallo or guacamole all in one place. But why don’t they ever have chips there? I know this has to connect somewhere …… yeah
I go to two different grocery stores to get different vegetables because they have varying quality. For example, if I want tomatoes I go to store 1 and for onions I go to store 2. For carrots I go to either because they are fine at both.
So if two instances have tomato, onion, and carrot magazines/communities with similar quality patterns I might want to sub tomatoes at one, onions at the other, and carrots at both.
I just want an easier way to find all of the instances that have onions so I know what I might be missing at the local farmer’s market. Or find out that a new farmer’s market opened up!
What is a “better” onion? More variety, maybe? Onions come in two kinds for me (other than type) edible and not; not a lot of spectrum on onion quality for me I guess.
Just about any other fruit or vegetable I can accept the varying quality of produce but onions and potatoes are either firm and good or mushy and not for me.
Or I could be overthinking what was probably an arbitrarily pulled example for an explanatory analogy.
Fresh, not bruised, the size I like, in stock. Just better quality overall. Same with the tomatoes at the other store.
I have no idea why there is such a difference in quality consistently for those two vegetables, but it has been consistent for a couple of years.
Since the two stores are within 5 minutes of each other and there are other reasons to go to each (brands, deli, bakery,etc.) I split the vegetables while I’m at it.
Fair enough. I don’t know that I’ve ever had a grocer with consistently bruised/rotted onions. I’ll go ahead and put that in the plus column.
- Where to find existing onion stands: https://lemmyverse.net/communities
- Where to watch for new onion stands: !newcommunities@lemmy.world
Cool! I’m not growing as many tomatoes this year as some years — we’ve gone in heavily for strawberries and herbs this spring, and potatoes this summer — but I’ve got a Brad’s Atomic Grape and an Indigo Ruby starting to set fruit.
In this heat?! Masochist.
edit: or sadist, no judgement.
Just subscribe to everything what’s the problem?
The only issue of any substance is that I often like to browse a particular community. It would be nice to get some front-end interface solution that makes it reasonable to do so for multiple communities. I’m happy to set it up manually once, but it would be tedious to check in on, say, the mechanical keyboard communities on 5 different instances every day.
For my main feed, a shotgun approach is absolutely fine, and I wouldn’t want to weaken the benefits of federation by herding everyone into a single instance per “interest.”
I do think that maybe the Lemmy developers were expecting each instance to have a more distinct character than is happening so far, at least on average. Federation in the threadiverse seems to be acting more like simple distribution, load balancing, and decentralization, rather than digital tourism defaulting to open borders.
We should have an option to merge communities in 1 single feed or something. Or maybe a grouping function, where we could name the group, and any communities under that group would show as a single group. Then other people could like your group and also subscribe etc. But that way maybe things could get complicated. I mean for the average Joe it will already be difficult IMO to make the effort to understand the Fediverse. I mean I took my time to understand it and start using it, cause I was lazy and had Reddit. I guess there are no perfect solutions, there’s always dissadvantages. For sure 1 thing that is attactive with centralized systems is the peace of mind when it comes to understanding it, because it’s simple etc. Like starting using Crypto vs using a bank account and so on. Oh I’m rambling already.
This seems to be a pretty popular thought, both in this thread and many others discussing Lemmy. I’d put real money down that the 3rd party apps will get this going, but for actually using the website on a PC, I’m imagining it’d be up to the devs/admins of whatever Lemmy instance you’re using.
You can, but eventually most people will likely congregate in the 1-2 most active ones.
- !nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
- !nostupidquestions@lemmy.ca
- !NoStupidQuestions@kbin.social
- !nostupidquestions@lemmy.ml
can you subscribe to all of them? yes. do you have to? No. Lemmy is still new, overtime people will gravitate to particular ones and the others will wither away
But muh FOMO!
For now yes, but over time probably no. Multiple communities around the same subject are created on different instances. They’ll compete to become the most active one. Then everyone will subscribe to that one, and it will grow even more. However, if over time you don’t like that one any more (e.g. don’t agree with the mods) you can start a community with the same name somewhere else and compete again to become the most active one (or not, and stay small if that is preferred).
A client that aggregated like communities would be nice.
Only if it’s configurable. It would be trivial for bad actors to find a niche sub, make a copycat of it on another instance, and start posting spam etc.
I’m waiting for the apps to iron out the basics and then they’ll do it I’m sure.
We call that Reddit
You dont have to, but thats the most obvious thing to do if you enjoy that kind of content.
There are 5 different forums on the internet about this topic.
You don’t have to join all or any of them. But they are each available to you.
Some of these duplicate communities are just placeholders. But sometimes, the differences are obvious, where one community Is populated by jerks or modded by power-trippers.
Over time, the more popular community will become clear by the number of subscribers. (Or the real, topical one will give itself a different name to avoid confusion with the jerks).
No, you choose which ones the best for you.
Such as the most populated, most active, or most secluded if that’s what you like. It’s a good thing OP, we are not locked down to one community in the event that one goes crazy.
You have stepped through the Looking Glass, Alice. Welcome to the
MultiFediverse.Begin at the beginning, then continue until you reach the end. Then, stop.
So? Reddit has about 10 sizeable Subs that are just a variation of “Ask Any and All Questions”. That’s not even counting speciality subs like “MedicalQuestions” or “ITQuestions” or “DermatologyQuestions” or “AskTrangender”. Or the different language ones like “FragReddit” (German). In the end 1-3 will become the major ones, all will be a bit different and everyone will find the ones they like most.
It’s fine.
As the philosopher Macho Man said “The cream rises to the top”
It’ll take time but eventually everyone will merge into one major one unless some admin/mod shenanigans.
At least I think.
I actually think the fediverse is going to fracture very quickly. You’re going to have instances that will defederate with anyone that permits the slightest bit of anti-trans commenting and you’re going to have instances that will make 4chan look inclusive and will defederate from anyone posting “woke bullshit”
Ive posted on here before that its only a matter of time before someone like Volkswagen-Audi start their own instance so they can control the narrative and push their own content too.
And I can ABSOLUTELY see paid only instances for well moderated kid friendly content and also hardcore porn.
I run this instance for loggers
Yes, it will fracture, but hopefully at the fringes, as you mentioned. So thsie with extreme views find it difficult to get traction due to lack of users or lack of places to post.
It should mean that we don’t get brigading from communities. You can just block them. It should.nean that there are safer communities but they miss out on some content.
At the moment, the only large communities are general. That may change over time. I do hope that companies start their own instances. Not to control the narrative, but to be their official communication. I don’t want commercial users using the community instances.
Again, then, they can be blocked but also, they can be verified.
The issue as I see it is that once Meta or someone similar can start pointing to far right instances, child abuse materials or anything of the like and start painting Lemmy as a whole as the new 4chan “radicalising and grooming the children” only to release their “new app” which is just their instance then the “free fediverse” is going to BE the fringe.
Large companies will have no desire to be involved with “that place” because the sanitised, community guidelines having, data farming goliath will have 2 billion users. Why risk the bad pr?
Why risk the bad PR of being on meta when you can be on your own instance that any other instance can access.
It’s like email. People don’t hold Google responsible if someone emails them with profanity.
I expect there will be sanitised versions and free for all versions. Moderation will differentiate but it may be that it’s send regulated, like porn on NSFW instances.
One thing I’ve noticed is that I’ve blocked the NSFW instance from my feed and any comments from there are blocked too. So users from instances with a lot of NSFW content may find they have less engagement. L it may be that more regulated instances have less freedom of speech but more people to listen.
Likely the realiry will be somewhere in the middle.
I think you have a very optimistic outlook on people. We understand how the fediverse works but I wouldnt trust most people to differentiate between the app and the content it serves.
Perhaps, once legal consequences of comments start kicking in here and there, the Fediverse will tend to remain fragmented to avoid having very large communities that also happen to act as a lightning rod for litigation
Why would they face any legal consequences any more than any other social media? The platform would not be liable for the content of its users. Obviously, they are responsible to remove illegal content, like child porn.
Not more, necessarily, but definitely more exposed as smaller servers won’t have legal and regulatory compliance teams supporting them
Why would they face any legal consequences any more than any other social media?
Instance location. Content comes at you from all over the Fediverse but once its in your instance it’s actually located on your server. It’s obvious how even regular NSFW stuff can be a problem if your instance is sitting in a ME country but perhaps less obvious (and more troublesome) is text based content.
For instance if a user is enrolled on an instance located in Germany and then subscribes to Neo-Nazi content from an instance located in the United States. That NN material is now on your instance but much of it is probably illegal in Germany. What happens when the German Authorities find out and come knocking?
Even “Child Porn” isn’t nearly as cut and dried as most people think. Things like /c/tinytitties or /c/flatchested from lemmynsfw are arguably illegal in a place like Australia since the person can be perceived as under-age due to their physical characteristics. It gets worse when you toss in the AI Generated stuff.
Big Tech does a lot of juggling trying to stay clear of these problems and they have large legal teams to help them when they run into trouble. I rather doubt that most instance admins have the resources for it.
You have to have the ability to advocate for your rights under the law. Even if there are laws saying that the platform is not liable for content of the users, there can still be nuisance suits or prosecutions. Even if those actions are frivolous, it still costs to respond to them. They generally can’t be ignored.
This. For now, what I do is join the ones that seem to have momentum with active posting. Eventually one will be dominant and I’ll drop the dead ones.
There are multiple communities because these are all different servers, which don’t coordinate community names with each other.
There are some feature proposals on the lemny issue tracker that try to address this issue in different ways…
