The U.S. Secret Service is in the business of protecting the president, whether he’s inside the Oval Office or visiting a foreign war zone.
But protecting a former president in prison? The prospect is unprecedented. That would be the challenge if Donald J. Trump — whom the agency is required by law to protect around the clock — is convicted at his criminal trial in Manhattan and sentenced to serve time.
Even before the trial’s opening statements, the Secret Service was in some measure planning for the extraordinary possibility of a former president behind bars. Prosecutors had asked the judge in the case to remind Mr. Trump that attacks on witnesses and jurors could land him in jail even before a verdict is rendered.
I would love to be the USSS person in charge of logistics for this.
I don’t know why. It would be like a strategy/sim game.
All the other agents have different attributes, and the conditions at the prison change during the day.
I’ve already put too much thought into it and I have no idea why I find it interesting.
yeah Syndicate!
Dumb VIPs walking into range of my agent with maxed out red-bar and a gauss gun .
The Persuadertron was fun. You could scoop up the whole level on some of them, which my poor old Amiga really struggled with.
legions of brainwashed drones roaming around blasting off assault rifles randomly in an expansion called american revolt. . . did this get back on-topic?
yeah persuedertron was pretty much my plan A on most levels - at least when i replayed it a few years ago on a decent computer. A nice layer of human shields.
It’s unsatisfying to say, but house arrest would make the most sense for the secret service.
But not for the judge.
One of the reasons he’s being found in contempt is for making threatening comments on social media. Jail stops that behavior. House arrest does not.
Guantanamo bay was practically designed for this scenario. Just dump his ass there and forget about him.
Other countries have jailed their leaders. If you’re a felon and get jailed as a former President I figure you should lose everything, SS protection, any pension and any benefits are gone too. Why should a jailed president get those things?
I don’t like it any more than you do. But a former president is still a very significant national security concern. Assassination is quite honestly the most minor concern there is for a former president. Extortion, blackmail, sabotage, espionage, all these things (and more) become a viable threat once USSS protection is gone. There’s a reason why we protect our former POTUS.
i vote that we just kill the president if they get arrested, it solves more than one problem 🤷
Trump will not go to a normal prison / gen pop, etc. Toss that thought from your mind.
Trump will die in a shitty military barracks on a shitty military base where he has no internet connection, access to him can be easily controlled & he can’t blab state secrets.
There is already a precedent here with Nixon’s lawyer.
Other than your first sentence, this is pure fantasy. He’ll never go far enough to trigger actual accountability from those that matter…
I remember when that line was “they’ll never indict an ex-President”.
Trump is going to die in Federal custody if he doesn’t win re-election.
There is not a single example of the DoJ spending this amount of money & manpower to say “oh well”.
I hope you’re right. Not because I care that much about Trump, but because laws matter. You can’t expect people to follow them when one person can brazenly flout them with zero consequences…
Is that Mitchell you’re referencing?
Yes.
I would hope that being found guilty of treason would revoke any duty to protect them by the secret service…
Is it only about protecting him or also avoiding him discussing unwanted topics with other inmates in that case? He’s still the recipient of privileged information…
It’s exactly this. It’s protection for him is a side effect of protecting the country. While these two things will generally overlap, if they ever diverge…
Yeah you guys still execute traitors right ? That would be quite the signal xD
Apparently only if they are brown or Jewish.
With adequate lighting he certainly looks orange enough verging on brownish ;-)
Nope, white people can keep him.
Would you believe trump still has any important secrets he hasn’t blabbed yet?
Fair point…
Unfortunately, of all the charges he’s facing, treason is not one of them.
Yet?
I’m surprised they didn’t consider selling classified submarine plans to be treason, as part of the classified documents case.
At one point in his interviews, Butler says he told investigators that Australian billionaire Anthony Pratt repeated classified submarine secrets following a conversation with Trump in spring 2021.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/11/politics/trump-employee-5-classified-documents-mar-a-lago/index.html
Semantically, according to US Legal Code you can’t commit treason without being at war, and war has not been properly defined by the federal government.
If he was going to face treason charges, they would have brought it as part of the January 6 trial.
Those charges are:
https://www.npr.org/2023/08/01/1191493880/trump-january-6-charges-indictment-counts
one count of conspiracy to defraud the United States applies to Trump’s repeated and widespread efforts to spread false claims about the November 2020 election while knowing they were not true and for allegedly attempting to illegally discount legitimate votes all with the goal of overturning the 2020 election, prosecutors claim in the indictment.
one count of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding was brought due to the alleged organized planning by Trump and his allies to disrupt the electoral vote’s certification in January 2021.
one count of obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding is tied to Trump and his co-conspirators’ alleged efforts after the November 2020 election until Jan. 7, 2021, to block the official certification proceeding in Congress.
one count of conspiracy against rights refers to Trump and his co-conspirators alleged attempts to “oppress, threaten and intimidate” people in their right to vote in an election.
Yet. The electors scheme that dumps directly participated in to conspire with election officials to forge and mail in false elector documents is still undergoing investigation and, with new updates every month from Republicans giving information to the authorities.
This is the one that I thought would be the most likely of causing him serious legal trouble, but this happened across seven states with an unknown number but around a dozen election officials that agreed to forge documents at Trump’s and his team’s request and then send in the documents to trick the national archives and pence into falsely certifying Trump as the president-elect in the 2020 election.
It’s batshit insane, and he was directly involved, and multiple people can corroborate that. The doj the FBI, some of those Republican collaborators are already working with them, I check in every couple weeks just to see what the latest news is.
The investigations and prosecutions by individual states and government agencies are ongoing, so prosecution of trump is still very much on the table, but only when all of the circumstances and information available has been organized and arrayed, and all of the smaller fish have been targeted and dealt with first.
As of March 2024, the Arizona AG is said that they’re nearing the end of their investigation.
But that’s one state of seven. And there’s also the FBI and the doj investigating this, so there’s a lot going on.
And Arizona has begun active prosecutions.
Woop wooop.
Not against Trump himself, unfortunately, but as I mentioned everything’s still moving forward so just got to wait and see how everything is prosecuted.
From what I remember the secret service can opt to stop protecting him.
Nope.
Under current United States federal law, all former presidents are entitled to lifetime protection from the Secret Service. Barring an act of Congress or a presidential executive order, the Secret Service is bound by law to protect former presidents for life. There aren’t any exceptions listed in the statute governing the protection of former presidents. Source
Barring an act of Congress or a presidential executive order
Could definitely imagine Congress and/or Biden doing that to make sure that Secret Service agents aren’t sent to prison for crimes they didn’t commit…
They wouldn’t be condemned to prison, they would work in a prison. The logistics would have to be worked out but I guess they would work alongside the prison guards and have agents constantly around prisoner Orange. It would suck for them but they would be normal rotations/breaks and such.
They can’t opt out, but HE can.
We just need to convince him that they’re spying for the libs or some shit.
Surely they will build him his own prison or convert his house into a prison.
Like I get it if he needs to go to jail than so be it. But let’s be real, he can’t actually go to prison.
Why not just build a small presidential prison?
Even then, I think that they’d have to protect him.
It’s solitary, then. 🤷♂️
Just in case any future presidents need it. /s
We already have prisons to hold spies.
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I’m imagining the Magneto plastic prison, but in the middle of the Capitol building rotunda.
Why? If he’s a convicted criminal, strip his salary and all his benefits, including the secret service.
The answer to questions in headlines is damn near always ‘no.’
I feel like losing the protection of the secret service should be part of being tried and convicted of a crime if you are the president.
The problem is it makes them an easy target, especially in the future when a conservative court convicts a liberal president over jaywalking or some stupid shit. Slippery slope, I guess is what I’m saying
I mean, it’s pretty easy to limit it to felonies.
They know too much to be left without protection.
It’s about our safety at that point.
Maybe they let things go down as long as national security isn’t at risk?
Edit: getting tired of edits and misspellings introduced to my posts after ive posted them.
Most would but Trump probably cant remember any secrets anyway.
yeah but the principle of the thing, whatever it was, says you shouldn’t do that. Things are so bad right now its hard to give a shit.
The secret service will be there to prevent other inmates from beating national secrets out of him.
Shit all they have to do is tell him the Democrats said XYZ and he’d tell them why they’re wrong.
Trump would likely be segregated from other prisoners (aka solitary confinement) for his own safety & the safety of the guards.
Is anything that man had access to even a “secret” anymore?
Trump? Keep secrets?
Alright, they’re there to prevent him just blurting them out with no prompting whatsoever.
I think you need the Sedation Service for that.
This is why he’ll never be in general population.
Fair point, but the rules are not specifically for Trump, they’re for any US ex president.
Well in theory that’s why they’d be there…
I honestly doubt he remembers anything at this point.
Im sure he’ll be very secure without them. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADX_Florence
Throw him in a solitary super max prison cell. Security won’t be needed.
If he ends up in jail he will definitely be in a segregation unit. Which is solitary in most county jails.
Apparently it’s not as safe as that unless they put more effort into having trusted people in the control room.
obviously it wouldnt be prison like real prison but more of like goodfellas prison
“how many onions you put in the sauce? That’s too many onions”
In there wit de two yutes
And this is why Trump will never see the inside of a jail cell. The logistics are completely unprecedented and unworkable. At most he’ll get house arrest, and personally, I doubt even that.
That’s not the reason why. It would be trivially easy to remove all his privileges if he were convicted of a crime. The reason is because the system is corrupt.
