Fucking finally!
This is something I’ve wanted on Firefox for a while. Glad to see it’s finally happening!
I have been using the Simple Tab Group extension for quite a while now - imho it has been pretty great. Not sure if this announcement adds anything for me
Simple tab groups emulates a function that used to be built in, but if this tab grouping works like other browsers it will be nothing like the add on.
I assume the benefit would be a better performance, anything else? Simple tab group is pretty feature packed, I’d think FF own would take some time to reach that level.
Nice! This is the one thing in other browsers that I wish I had in Firefox.
I might finally be able to switch to FF! Yay!
It’s already a feature available as an addon
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/simple-tab-groups/
Not even comparable
The UX sucks. Look at Vivaldi and Arc for good UX.
Maybe I never learned how to properly use grouping in Vivaldi, but I concluded that Simple tab groups extension is better for my use case. In Vivaldi it seemed too simple to accidentally open new tab in another group. With STG extension I am always locked in 1 group and do not even see tabs from other groups.
At that point, why wouldn’t you just have separate windows. It’s not that different in terms of usage except navigation.
Need to save those open tabs somewhere + I don’t want 6 windows open if I have 6 categories.
Respectfully, all the tab group addons suck unless they do it on the tab bar itself.
It is not just one feature that makes the browser better. When you switch, you have to take the good with the bad.
This is absolutely THE feature that has kept me away from FF for a long, long time. I like most other stuff about it, but tab groups are a necessity for me. I exclusively use browsers with Tab Groups and Tab Stacking
Different people have different priorities.
This will be good. When I switch to Firefox in 2019 Chrome had just added tab groups. No extension really replicated hope they felt.
I’m glad they decided to bring back this feature. Really missed having it.
This was such an old feature/idea. Cool to see old idea getting new life.
Firefox had tab grouping first. Before Chrome. And then it broke support for it when they did the add-ons overhaul. I’m surprised bringing it back wasn’t a high priority…
I remember those days. I was so sad when it went away.
IIRC the old tab groups feature was eventually removed because telemetry showed that only very few people used it…
It didn’t help that they hid the button in the customize menu and made the feature not discoverable.
That’s because us power users know to turn the telemetry off and also have it blocked on our network.
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Right, but then you shouldn’t be shocked to find out that a feature was removed because nobody seemed to be using it.
No, I expect Mozilla to know their market and use other means (like focus groups or surveys or something) to figure out which features are actually popular, instead of lazily using a bad metric.
Mozilla knows their market. Because of said telemetry.
How do you think that works? For any other app?
Hint:
(like focus groups or surveys or something)
Not like this. Because they have both shown to be absolutely terrible for this general market preference research.
Did you miss the part of the conversation where folks were pointing out that lots of users turn the telemetry off?
Your reply is as tone-deaf and non-responsive as sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling “nuh uh!” like a toddler.
If you want to be persuasive you’ve got to prove that the telemetry is somehow useful in spite of many users turning it off, and you’ve done absolutely fuck-all to argue that.
You are committing the same mistake as you accuse me of:
many users turning it off
[citation needed] [how many?]
For all you know, maybe the 15 very vocal users in here are the only ones who turn it off. Or do we know that many users do it? How many? 5%? 50%? 95%?
I used Panorama a lot. Was sad when it went away
Watching people use Chrome, fucking nobody uses it there either, except for work situations where on FF, you’re supposed to be using Multi-Account containers anyways.
Achutucally Opera had it first, back before it ditched Presto.
Nice! Even IE had a rudimentary version of this feature
Makes sense. Clearly a popular feature.
Promising news. Hopefully Mozilla will start listening to people again.
Come now, let’s not expect miracles.
I want workspaces, ideally in a sidebar like in opera. Arc also does workspaces well but Firefox doesn’t have to go that far and have the tabs on the side too.
This might do it for you. Not exactly workspaces, but sessions https://addons.mozilla.org/en-CA/firefox/addon/tab-session-manager/
You could check out Sidebery (Firefox addon) (A note: I use it with Floorp, a fork of Firefox built around user control. Floorp link)
Ton of features and very nuanced customization (you can change pretty much all minutia of its UI, which is a huge plus over other stuff I used). Some noteworthy features I like:
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Vertical tab bar with collapsible parent/child tabs
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Tab Grouping, which seems to be functionally the same as workspaces
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Unload or refresh tabs or groups en masse easily
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Customizable new tab buttons. ie: you can have “new tab”, “new private (or other container) tab”, and “new lemmy.world tab” all at once.
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Customizable movement of tabs to specific Tab Groups based on domain and/or container. ie: I have a “Media” tab group, and I set it up so any domain from youtube.com or dropout.tv automatically get moved from other tab groups over to “Media”
There’s more, but those are the points that I find the most useful.
Sideberry is great! I discovered it recently after quite a long time of not being satisfied with tree style tab.
I appreciate that it works with Firefox sync.
Btw thanks for the tip about media. That sounds really convenient.
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about time! hoping for built-in vertical tabs some time soon as well 👀
YESSSSSSSSSSSS
Again?
Let’s see how long it takes them this time to take it down again.
Just use Tree Style Tab
It’s interesting, but it wastes to much of the screen.
True, sadly I’m unable to stop using tree style tabs after getting accustomed to it years ago. It’s one of those rabbit holes I’m unable to climb out of, similar to modern keyboard layouts.
Don’t be sad. I’d say you’re doing it right! Vertical space is much more limited than horizontal on 21st century monitors, and tabs are wide, not tall. Tree tab UI enables semantic layout (showing you practically unlimited levels of nesting), plus they always give you consistent room to read page titles. Why should the usability of tabs decrease as you open more of them?
The vertical tab bar is still there though as it’s apparently not removable? 😞
Found the 4:3 fan.
I feel Sidebery is a more polished spiritual successor to TST.
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These people think the sidebar is a pretty neat idea.
I’m away from my PC so I can’t name it but there’s another plugin similar to Tree Style Tabs. The creator claims that TST takes up a lot of resources. I do notice Firefox taking a lot of CPU/mem but that’s probably my fault. I’ve tried both and either works well.
Might be talking about Sidebery. I like them both and switch back and forth
This is absolutely not a replacement for the tab group experience Chrome and Edge offer
Absolutely this, there isn’t anything currently from what I’ve found that gives the easy experience that Chrome/Edge has.
Only thing that I’ve been missing when I moved from Edge, apart from PWA support.
Yeah honestly all the other solutions are just copium. Chrome tab groups are exactly what a tab group should be. It’s simple and useful. That’s all I need, all I want.
powertabs will give you vertical, grouping, search, sorting, and some rules behaviour
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Does it mimic the functionality of chrome group tabs perfectly?
I would say its superior. You can create and add tabs to groups. expand and collapse them. make rules for certain sites to auto open in a group you made. sort based on url or name or last used. rename them. move the groups around visually. I do use it with the vertical tab view and tend to ignore the top bar though so it may depend on your usage.
It seems a bit too much like glorified bookmarks to me. I’m glad you find it useful though :)
I mean you can say that about any tab add on really. You could mostly get it from some sort of auto bookmarking add on that additionally updated it based on browsing within a domain maybe and auto discarding on close although it still would nto quite be there because it would discard to much if you kept several tabs for a domain. I mean it might be able to recognize multiple tabs and save the bookmarks alright but the auto reaping I bet would mess up.
