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John Barnett had worked for Boeing for 32 years, until his retirement in 2017.
In the days before his death, he had been giving evidence in a whistleblower lawsuit against the company.
Boeing said it was saddened to hear of Mr Barnett’s passing. The Charleston County coroner confirmed his death to the BBC on Monday.
It said the 62-year-old had died from a “self-inflicted” wound on 9 March and police were investigating.
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Seems legit.
Boeing said it was saddened to hear of Mr Barnett’s passing.
I’m sure they were distraught.
This is something I thought would be on the Onion.
He was staying at a hotel out-of-state while giving evidence against Boeing.
He was found dead in his car in the hotel parking lot from a ‘self-inflicted wound’.There’s really no other way to look at it logically than he was murdered by Boeing. Nothing else adds up.
An investor could’ve threatened his family? (So not directly Boeing)
If he got a bunch of hate online, or had crippling anxiety about the testimony he still had to give? I mean you could even speculate he thought he would be killed someday, so he took it into his own hands.
(Please note the above is all BS!)
I would argue the jury is still out and that we may never know.
An investor could’ve threatened his family? (So not directly Boeing)
Or somebody involved in corporate corruption and embezzling in Boeing. That would be worse for Boeing as a whole than him remaining alive, but possibly better for that somebody who may not be identified.
Direct involvement might be a question still. But general involvement is absolute. If Boeing wasn’t so shitty he almost assuredly would still be alive.
I suppose even if nobody ever said a word to him you could make that argument. No poor business practices = no testimony = no car in a hotel parking lot.
Look, I’m not gonna say Boeing did it. Though if they did, I’d bet money they drove.
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I mean, I think the logical thing to do is wait until the evidence comes out and we know for sure. It’s entirely possible he was under a lot of stress from all this and did kill himself. Now, I don’t deny that it’s a HUGE. FUCKING. CONICIDENCE. but those do happen from time to time. Its also a hell of a story, good-guy whistleblower murdered by greedy multinational aerospace company and defense contractor…during an election year…if you wrote the script nobody would buy it.
Let’s be suspicious, but not jump to conclusions.
Jesus, do you think maybe they’re trying to run out the clock too? Who wants to bet that a certain CEO is angling for a political position within a certain potential administration? Perhaps head of the FAA?
This is the kind of go get em attitude a certain potential administration might be impressed by.
Hugely impressed. Big, so big. Huge
It makes no sense for them to kill him, that draws wayyyy too much attention. More likely if they were involved, they blackmailed him and that caused him to kill himself, or another party that also wanted to keep him quiet killed him and they didn’t care if it looked like Boeing did it.
He wasn’t even done giving the deposition that he literally volunteered to give…
literall–
Downvote.
i’m literally sorry that you literally don’t know standard english my guy, i literally don’t know what to literally say to you 😭
I don’t know what you were trying to achieve beyond publicly announcing you’re a petty, boring person.
Found the boeing employee
Please don’t reddit up the place, I like it here
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“Literally” CAN be used as an hyperbole. It’s just a more emphatic way to say “very”
Literally has been used as an intensifier for over 200 years. The Oxford English Dictionary includes a definition of literally meaning “figuratively”. Jane Austen, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Henry David Thoreau, James Fenimore Cooper, James Joyce, Charles Dickens, and Mark Twain all used it that way in their writing.
So until you write something as well respected and enduring as Sanditon, The Great Gatsby, Tom Sawyer, or Ulysses and collect your mother fucking Nobel prize in literature, please choke on a literal dick you confidently incorrect fuckwit.
Wondering if they historically used it more as in a ‘literarily’ sense and with license
Evolving language and all that
(I’m not trying to argue anything, just musing)
I don’t care what justification you throw out. Misuse of literally drives me figuratively insane!
How is it misused? Did he figuratively agree to give a deposition?
It’s just a general statement. Not specific to this article or comments 🤷
In this case literally literally did mean literally, though, not figuratively. Which makes the fuckwit even more incorrect.
You could’ve just done so and moved on, my guy. It’s not a profound statement.
I upvoted this.
Why?
Let me list the reasons: it’s creative, provocative and a little sultry.
I’m about half hard right now so you deserve it.
Downvote
You can have an upvote too!
I’m floppier then a rubber tube full of jelly but that’s because I’m in my refractory period.
Flaccid. Downvote
Did he not literally volunteer?
I mean, I get it, I’m sick of “literally” meaning “figuratively”, and I’d die on that hill with you, but this is the dumbest possible time to make that stand. In this case “literally” just means “literally”.
That was indeed a perfectly cromulent use of “literally”.
They don’t gain much. The FAA is breathing down their neck already.
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We worry about being able to feed our families enough.
Not sure how much jurisdiction or investigation the FFA does for murders that occur on the ground though.
At the point of a deposition, his complaints are already documented and can be verified by regulators.
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What do you mean? They fail all the time. Fail to secure doors. Fail to have working oxygen masks. Fail to warn pilots about a system that points the nose of the plane down constantly…
Too big to fail is a terrible concept that was invented.
If a company gets too big to the point that it’s failure is going to drag down the company. That company should be broken up to allow them to to fail. Anything else is either reward the company for making bad decisions or allow companies to become stagnant because if anything happens, the government will bail them out.
Edit: Spelling and grammar are important.
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I would 100% vote for you (unironically).
Watch politician holdings of Boeing stock.
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Guess the executives didn’t want to wait for him to take one of their planes and die naturally by getting sucked out at 35,000 feet when a door falls off.
I absolutely love that bit!
Which bit- the front? Because I’m sorry to say it fell off
Thankfully, not into the environment.
…yet.
Well, that’s not typical, if like to point that out.
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Is this a Russian style self inflicted wound…?
The Russians will throw someone out the window or poison them in a very obvious way, the Americans will put two in their head and have it ruled a suicide.
I love the one where the guy “killed himself” by duck taping himself to a lawn chair and then throwing himself in the pool.
No, it’s probably more of a mob style self-inflicted wound. Didn’t say he shot himself in the head twice and jumped out a window.
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My brother in Freedom Jesus, faking a murder to look like suicide is as American as apple pie!
Hell the most notorious pedophile in history, who definitely had video of the world’s richest men committing statutory rape and assault, killed himself in one of the most secure locations anyone could imagine, surrounded by guards and video cameras! And nobody saw a thing! HA! And we’re all like “well i guess that sordid chapter is over” hahahaha. Oh man. It literally works every. single. time.
The FBI famously sent a letter to MLK urging him to kill himself.
Wow the FBI are gamers
Jokes aside, holy shit that’s monstrous
Monstrous yes, but not as monstrous as what they did next.
Cases like these should be called Russian Suicides.
With how many assassinations the US carries out, I think they deserve to at least be called USicides
I’m not going to say that Boeing had this guy directly killed, but I can certainly see them and their legal team explicitly trying to make his life as hellish as possible until he felt that he only had one way out. Legal threats if you stop proceeding with your case, legals threats if you don’t, they want a terrible warning for any other whistleblowers.
Isn’t that exactly what happened to Aaron Schwartz? Not a whistleblower, but similar tactics
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He didn’t show any signs of depression or suicidal tendencies… signs like voluntarily flying on a boeing plane.
It’s no longer a conspiracy when it’s proven true.
A conspiracy is when a group plans to do something unlawful. So if it’s proven true it’s still a conspiracy. It just stops being a theory.
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I think the confusion arises from the secrecy part. A conspiracy is understood to be a secret unlawful activity, especially of subversive nature. When it’s not secret anymore is it still conspiracy? or is it just organised crime? I know it feels just pedantic, but this is why the media abuses words to steer collective opinion. Nowadays you can just say something is a conspiracy and people will believe it’s fake without recourse.
I was just being kind of funny. Language is weird and I’m pretty sure that the word conspiracy is headed through the change to mean “Crazy people think this thing is true”
Then we need to find another word to express when people gets together to do shady shit, which happens more often than not.
No arguments here. I’d like to be able to differentiate between people going shady shit and flat earth believers.
That’s the most annoying misunderstanding. A conspiracy is still a conspiracy when you prove it happened/it’s happening. Conspirators remain conspirators, which means they were working together to do something illegal in secret. Ok, so now it’s not secret anymore, but they still conspired.
This isn’t proof. That’s the crazy part. I hear ya. I’m with ya. I don’t see anything that is concrete physical evidence to tie it all together. As of now.
I agree, I just was making a joke. It’s a conspiracy until you realize it’s a fact. MK-ULTRA, Government spying on you (which time? ) , Big tobacco hiding that cigerettes cause cancer, Stacks of ET games are buried in New Mexico, even dark stories like the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiments were all conspiracy theories at one time. Sadly they all turned out to be true.
Very few conspiracies are as dark and terrifying as (checks notes) Atari games buried in the desert.
There’s also the conspiracy theory of conspiracy theories that the government actually likes and even spreads conspiracy theories so that the real ones get lost in the noise and written off by the general public as “just another loony conspiracy theory”
I like that one because I absolutely don’t like it, but it’s hard not to like and think that it’s worth being a likable conspiracy theory.
And that’s the problem with conspiracy theories, you like to like them and then you can’t be sure.It’s just like that sometimes.
If it actually happened, it’s just a “conspiracy,” not a “conspiracy theory.”
Eh. There will always be real conspiracies and then…lizard people conspiracies.
This shit right here? yeah…they killed him. 100%. No doubt in my fucking mind.
I mean, he was old…people die—
It said the 62-year-old had died from a “self-inflicted” wound on 9 March and police were investigating.
oh shit they totally fucking killed him
THEY FUCKING KILLED HIM!
Relevant Chart (open image in new tab to see it larger):
Not sure what to make of this chart except that a few items are misplaced imo and I agree conspiracy shit is an alt right pipeline in most cases. Maybe it wasn’t always but whatever.
Anyhow.
I haven’t followed up on the news. But there sure wasn’t much available yesterday. So as far as actual reliable evidence we the public have little.
The guy being dead with an apparent self inflicted wound (as BBC and others said) or gunshot (as Corp Crime Reporter said) during whistleblower court proceedings against a giant company is consistent with suicide from:
- Stress of the case or from blackmail
- Stress from something totally unrelated.
- Some other cause (depression, terminal illness…)
It is also consistent with:
- murder made to look like suicide to silence his further testimony and dissuade others
Any of these is certainly plausible at least. As is Epstein being murdered. Actually, that one is more plausible, given the few suspicious coincidences and the sheer number of people who wanted his secrets to stay that way. Whereas extra-terrestrial UFOs aren’t all that plausible based on our current body of scientific knowledge.
I agree with pretty much everything you’ve written. The only point I would like to make is that the section where the UFOs sits is the “We Have Questions” section, which is between the “Things That Actually Happened” and “Unequivocally False But Mostly Harmless” sections. I interpret this section as containing things that cannot (as of 2021) be conclusively shown to be true or false. Also note that they’re not even saying ET UFOs, but just UFOs. I think the flying saucer is just for visual flair. If I recall correctly, the person who designed this is/was an actual graphic designer.
Lol, they mustn’t be a great one, because their design seems to have led at least one of y’all to interpret the labels as denoting for the category below, rather than upper/lower bounds between two categories. i.e. things in the blue category above the “speculation line” label are speculative but not yet “leaving reality”
How did they make hollow earth antisemitic? MF’rs
Epstein didn’t kill himself though. The circumstances where above the level of questioning, there were cameras turned off and he was supposedly on suicide watch.
As I much as I also believe that, there is no hard evidence (that we know of) that he didn’t kill himself. I think that’s why it’s in that section. The suspiciousness of it is through the roof, but we can’t prove it.
Sure we can’t prove it but that diagram puts it at the same level of UFOs.
Right, the chart is far from perfect, but they just grouped them both under the “we have questions” section. We have lots of unresolved questions about Epstein’s death, we have lots of unresolved questions about UFO sightings.
No, I understand we have questions but explaining epstein requires a couple of details, while UFOs require new laws of physics.
this is bulshit, epstein definetly didnt kill himself, for starters.
There are circumstances where conspiracy the likeliest explanation.
This is one of those.
The Gulf of Tonkin incident being created by the US was a conspiracy theory until it wasn’t.
Not every “conspiracy theory” is wrong. Sometimes people in charge are actually trying to cover something up. It’s not insane to be skeptical of an official line until it’s backed up with proof.
Lizard people, however, don’t exist.
Lizard people, however, don’t exist.
Speak for yourself, upright ape.
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That’s what they want you to think.
It’s possible it was stress from the litigation. In fact, if you don’t specify whose stress, I’d almost guarantee it.
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He is the reason some people wants the US to be a bit more like Russia. Yeah, no, this wasn’t a suicide, this was to stop the case that he himself had embarked on a long-running legal action on and that he had been in Charleston for legal interviews for. This stops the case in its tracks.
“John was in the midst of a deposition in his whistleblower retaliation case, which finally was nearing the end,” Knowles and his co-counsel Robert Turkewitz said in a statement to TIME. “He was in very good spirits and really looking forward to putting this phase of his life behind him and moving on. We didn’t see any indication he would take his own life. No one can believe it.”
- https://time.com/6900123/boeing-whistleblower-john-barnett-found-dead-deposition-safety/
Please don’t reply if you are just going to spam “BuT sUiCiDe”. If that’s false, he’s just another casualty of Boeing. If that’s true, he’s just another casualty of Boeing.
Funny how he takes his own life in an hotel car park, and no one hears it. Let me guess, he also happened to buy the gun and get the gun permit the same day … His anxiety never manifested as suicidal tendencies, and if anything, taking action had decreased it.
Was the self inflicted wound two 9mm rounds to the back of the head?
Just two? Rookie numbers.
Accidentally brutally stabbed himself in the chest whilst shaving
Happens to the best of us.
Did he fly on a Boeing plane?
How tall was the self inflicting wound fall? There aren’t a lot of tall buildings near Everett.
Maybe it was 3 bullets to the back? He was probably an engineer. Engineers can figure out how to purposely shoot themselves in the back more than 1 time with the same or multiple guns. Some plywood, rope or string, glue gun, and miscellaneous items, that’s all you need really…and a gun with bullets. Let’s start a project “automated self immolation chair”. I’m going to set-up a weekly meeting with you all until a prototype rev A is complete. We’ll start this morning with a 4 hour DFMEA followed by a three hour brainstorming session. We’ll need a business plan if we want approval for resources. I’ve just discussed the objective with my boss. She said no, and to take the trash out. And wash the dishes. It was an abrupt end of project but we learned valuable lessons. I’ll have a report out before Friday 5pm. We’ll be going out for drinks if you want to discuss details. Ah yes! Another successful project completion!
Completely on point. I am an engineer. If I were to self inflict gunshots, I would 100% design a contraption that would shooot multiple times. Need to make sure.
Also need to hide this contraption while I am in the dying process. To make sure people know it was self inflicted.
What kind of ice is there that can hold at least 14ksi during projectile launch? It may have to be reinforced with graphene.
Let’s start a project “automated self immolation chair”
that’s just called the electric chair, is it not? Just press the button yourself
Well, I mean, it doesn’t have to be electric. We need to discuss the IP in this here electrical seating device you mentioned wherein they have incorporated a single button function for electrically terminating life function. There may be room for a continuation design patent where dismemberment, disembowelment and other dis-x-ments can also be actuated via a single throw single contact latching button. With proper denouncing circuits and or algorithms, we can be sure to only de-live once per period. Anvils are single de-living event devices for example.
What a terrible coincidence
A terrible coincidence, indeed.
So, the guy was expected to appear in court for thw second round of questioning and when he didn’t show up was found dead in his truck in the underground car park of the hotel. Doesn’t sound like someone that wanted to end it. Maybe I’m wrong but I wouldn’t book a room to go to court and then on a whim decide to end it.
They should investigate the coroner asap.
Most people that kill themselves do so on a whim. Its probably not the case, but its not impossible. I’m guessing either the coroner is corrupt, or they have actual evidence it was a suicide. If it was a murder, then I doubt Boeing would do it without assurance it couldn’t be traced back to them. So regardless of what actually happened, the only official story there will ever be is that it was a suicide. That is, unless Boeing is as reckless about murder as they are about building planes.
Most people that kill themselves do so on a whim.
[Citation required]
I would argue that most likely than not there is a trail of depression and/or mental illness that leads up to the actual act being done.
Absolutely, I don’t mean there is no warning whatsoever. There is almost always a history of depression, but that history is not always visible to loved ones, let alone the public. I just mean they are likely not specifically planning to commit suicide until soon before they do it, which at least in my experience is true
Yeah it could emerge apparently at random for unsuspecting familiars, but this guy was about to do something that was important for him, on which he worked for years according to the article. Sounds sus to me.
Most people who commit suicide actually plan to do it. There is plenty of warning beforehand.
Sounds like Jeffrey Epsteins coroner.
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^gets it
It’s time to pop them piñatas.
Removed by the admins but lives forever in our hearts. I bet even they know you’re right, but you know how comments like those tend to go.
