The video shows Michael Yon making false claims regarding so-called “terrorists coming across the border being funded by Jewish money.” Yon was speaking at a “Take Back Our Border” convoy in Texas.
In the video posted on X, formerly Twitter, the man can be heard claiming that HIAS, a global Jewish nonprofit that works to protect refugees, is responsible for funding terrorists coming to America.
Descends into?
Are you sure they weren’t there all along?
“Texas border convoy removes mask”
I mean yes, but also no: most of them are probably antivaxx and antimask
And it would have gotten away with it if it weren’t for you kids and your dog.
Indeed. We need a new version of Godwin’s law. Something like
The odds of xenophobia, homophobia, transphobia, or antisemitism appearing in a conversation is directly proportional to the number of conservatives participating in that conversation.
Hence forth this will be known as “Billiams law”
So say we all
So say we all!
So say we all!
With an accent!
So say we, y’all!
Not that accent
Godwin’s law was always more harm than good. Basically stating that despite a long history with fascism, it was inappropriate to compare Republicans to fascists/Nazis. Sure not everyone who votes Republican is a fascist. They’re just okay with fascists. But if you are a fascist or modern Nazi, if you vote you vote Republican and always have.
What you’re putting forward is much more like a razor anyway. See Occam’s or Hanlon’s.
…my dude, the only people who are okay with fascists are other fascists. Like, that’s not even a debatable question.
Godwin didn’t say it wasn’t okay to call Republicans Nazis, he warned that one shouldn’t make such comparisons lightly because it risks desensitizing everyone to the atrocities the Nazis committed and numbs the impact being called a Nazi should have. And to an extent he’s still correct, as much of the Republican party thinks the issue with Nazism is branding (The Boys summed it up perfectly when Stormfront said "People love what I have to say, they just don’t like the word ‘Nazi’ ".)
He also said it’s perfectly fine comparing Trump to Hitler.
I agree with you. Though perhaps I was being too subtle. Yes, if you are okay with fascists and fascism then you are one of them. The whole point was that it isn’t better to support it than it is to outright claim to be it.
As the proverb says, the road to hell is often paved with good intentions. That may have been what Godwin intended. But that wasn’t the result. The result was we were loathe to even discuss the Republican party’s enduring fascism problems In general. Especially in recent times. Because someone would shout out “Godwin’s law!” as a discussion-ending cliche. Simply because Republicans hadn’t slaughtered millions recently.
We lost all focus on how it starts, over defference with how it ended. Leaving many many people to wonder where the fascism that has existed for most of the last 100 years suddenly came from.
Look man, I’m gonna need you to stop being so reasonable and polite when debating on the Internet, or I’m gonna have to call your ISP and get your internet privileges revoked.
“descends into,” “reveals undertone of,” tomatoes, tomahtoes
I feel like we need to stop using the term antisemitism and split it into two categories. You have the Nazi’s hate speech vs the Israeli government wants to justify killing Palestinian children.
You literally have to read the articles to figure out in which way it’s being used.
And I really wish the Israeli government would stop making me feel I need this distinction.
No, we don’t need to split it into two categories because only one of those is antisemitism. If there were an organization of Latino Americans, even a powerful one, who announced that anyone who doesn’t support Mexico’s war against the cartels is racist, no one would say that there are two kinds of anti-Latino racism. There’s racism and then there’s bullshit that a group might claim is racism but isn’t.
(Sorry, I know that’s not a 1:1 example, but I can’t think of an equivalent one to make my point. I think my point still stands.)
No, I get you. I even agree with you. Unfortunately it’s being used both ways, and I honestly think it would help to differentiate the two, because it’s being diluted by the people that need protection from it the most.
I think what they’re saying is, there does NOT need to be a distinction because those claiming it means anything anti-Israel … are wrong. Pure and simple.
It does not need clarifying from the perspective of people saying antisemitism. It needs clarification in that the morons who insist anti-Israel is antisemitic need to be slapped across the face, because they’re wrong.
The muddying of the term is a political attack. How do you stop that? You tell them they’re wrong they tell you you’re a fascist?
And if you ask what exactly a fascist is, they mumble some shit about woke leftists.
The dumbing down of people all over the world will be what kills us all.
While your post isn’t wrong, it’s not suggesting anything to help.
I have tried multiple ways to talk to my son about this stuff, and the only thing that works is we just don’t talk about this stuff.
I can’t force people to see truth. Nobody can.
I am one of those people and as a Jew I cannot disagree more. People need to know what is and is not bigotry against Jews. They need to know the difference between calling out Israel for its genocide and blaming an American Jew for that genocide. It is absolutely vital for people to understand that there is nothing antisemitic about criticizing Israel because it is vital for people to understand that American Jews are not Israelis. You have no idea how many people essentially consider us to be foreigners in our own homelands. On my mother’s side, my Jewish ancestors in America go back to the 19th century. Many decades before Israel even existed. I have absolutely no affiliation or association with Israel. I am American. I was born in Indiana. I’m completely steeped in American culture. I know almost no Hebrew or Yiddish. And yet so many people, both pro-Israeli and anti-Israeli assume that because I am a Jew, I must hold allegiance to Israel. And a big reason for that is because Israel wants it that way. What you are suggesting still gives them what they want.
Edit: Needed to add ‘in America.’
The number of American Jews I know that are backing Israel in this are not insignificant. There’s a lot of I stand with Israel out there It like to throw around anti-Semitism when people disagree with them.
The muddying of the term is deliberate and political. And I agree that it is important that people know the difference, which is why I’m against leaving it muddied. If you walk up to a thousand people screaming it’s anti-Semitism and scream back at them that’s not anti-Semitism there’s no movement. You’re telling them that you don’t think what they’re doing is right and they’re telling you you’re a Nazi.
How do you fix that?
Most of the American Jews I know have been protesting against Israel.
Most here too, The most isn’t a very comfortable number.
People used to claim all kinds of things like blackface weren’t racist when they are racist. Meanwhile, there are black writers who claim hip hop is racist., which implies that you’re a racist if you listen to it. Such writers are wrong and ‘but they’re black’ is not a justification. Blackface is racist because it’s white people pretending to be black. Hip hop is not racist because it is part of black culture. And the way you fix that is you keep insisting one thing is bigotry and the other isn’t. Which is why people do not accept blackface today but do accept hip hop.
You have a fairly large group of people here that are making every argument possible to validate genocide. If someone calls me a racist for listening to hip hop there’s nothing really hurt in the balance. The one person in a minority view or even the 000 1% wouldn’t bother me.
25% of the Jews I know on social media are still flying the I stand with Israel flag. These are not normally sociopaths. If you get into an argument with them they say you just don’t get it they did this and they did that and they do this and they do that. They start quoting scripture, You say yeah but none of that validates genocide, then they change their argument back to what are the white man do to the Indians.
The term anti-Semitic is being flown as a flag and watered down. I think it would be useful to have a secondary term that means I’m against supporting the genocide of Palestine.
25% of the Jews I know on social media are still flying the I stand with Israel flag.
How many Jews do you know and how many of that 25% claim that any criticism of Israel is antisemitism? Because otherwise, I’m not sure why that’s relevant.
The confusion around the word antisemitism right now is quite deliberate.
I agree fully it’s a political tactic.
I was told that 21 year old college students advocating that less children get blown up were the antisemitic ones?
You’re telling me they’re not defending Jews they just like the cruelty‽
The only part that surprises me about this is that the convoy isn’t called “Take Back Are Country.”
Been hearing about terrorism in the US for years. Why are they all homegrown?
Never meet your heroes.
Idk about you guys but I hate Nazis more than I hate illegal immigrants.
Hopefully their power grid can keep up this winter.
I hate Nazis
“Especially Illinois Nazis”
~“Joliet” Jake Blues
Idk what these words mean
Old movie reference
It’s a quote from a movie called “the blues brothers” with John Belushi and Dan Aykroyd
i weep for this generation.
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Yeah, especially considering how the border goes through communities and we’ve relied on the labor of these immigrants since we stole that land from Mexico. Also complaining about people coming from Mexico to land that we stole from Mexico feels ironic.
So….Texas is…Israel?
there is no stealing in world politics and war. just winning and losing.
Yeah nah it’s theft. It doesn’t matter how it’s framed. In the middle ages and before, where what side of the border you lived on was pretty much irrelevant to your life, it’d make sense to think of it the way you are. But in the modern day, where taking land often means completely altering and destroying the lives of the people that live on it, forcibly removing it from them is theft. The implications that come from it being theft is a completely different conversation.
I’m sorry that their country was destroyed by US policies and they were forced to abandon their homes, I’m sorry that they’re coming here to be superexploited by brutal farming operations and meatpackers and slaughterhouses, and I’m sorry they’re going to have to find out how bad this country is in-person.
I could never hate them.
But this doesn’t make me proud either.
Not attacking you or anything. But people can’t be illegal. They’re undocumented. And we should actively seek to reframe it as such. They are just immigrants. Regardless of whether they came here illegally or not. The term illegal immigrants has been popularized and pushed by fascist/conservatives as a way to frighten people and “other” immigrants.
National socialist party of dumbfuckistan
Don’t need to hate anyone tho.
except nazis. we need to hate them.
Hating a group because they hate?
Hate is damaging your character.
So should we accept them? Be tolérant of their intolerance?
Punish by law, prohibit groups that fulfill the terms of extremist, teach to prevent, etc. Hate against hate never worked.
One thing a lot of countries get wrong is integration of immigrants.
It’s ok to punch Nazis
Then the paradox of tolerance is never solved, good luck.
I disagree with the word “descends.” Aren’t their previous racist and otherwise positions equally low? This is a lateral move not a descent.
When does free speech descend into incitement?
Technically there is a legal answer but unfortunately in the States it has different possible definitions at the State and Federal level.
In a very general sense one in part looks at intention and also all the factors around in the environment. If I were to go “we should kill the !” in a forum such as this where generally speaking we are all just people talking and hyperbole is more or less the norm it’s probably not going to meet the criteria of a chargeable incitement. If I as a speaker at a podium where I have been marketed as some kind of authority - even if that is just implied by the fact I am on the podium - start winding up a crowd with the intention of setting them loose to a criminal purpose or start yelling at someone who is already weilding a gun to shoot then that’s a pretty strong case for incitement. Your intention is made fairly clear and you are in a place to directly influence in an outsized fashion how events might play out.
A lot of the harmful rhetoric that goes on, while priming the stage for individual people to become aggressive and more predisposed to take out their aggressions on the target (stochastic terrorism) has been leaned on quite heavily in modern times it does so basically cheating the system. If you start low and slow and let the water appear to boil itself then it generally protects you from a incitement charge.
When black people do it.
See: BLM protests
That was fast. Fucking antisemites. If they don’t like the land of religious freedom they’re free to leave to wherever wants them.
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I think it’s funny how the starting point was they’re christian nationalist secessionist traitors but OP’s red line is anti-semitism.
It’s pretty common to see in the Jewish culture. They generally really don’t give a shit about anything outside their bubble but when something happens to them they demand they world drops everything to help them or otherwise you’re a piece of shit.
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Yeah, not saying that isn’t true. These conspiracy kooks are wild. I just grew up in a Jewish community, so being force fed propaganda from the time I was a child got kind of exhausting. Especially when I got older and started to see through it so I think I have more of an averse reaction to it than most people would.
Well there’s a shock.
Who’s funding *this *rally??
putin. As usual.
The asshole who tells you that you just need to work harder to get that $2 raise, after purchasing himself a new super truck with the money he definitely earned by working hard.
Stupidity
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Ugh. That’s funding is going to last forever.
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It’s like a horrible game of Bigot Bingo
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I will be fucking shocked if there is only one, hell I’d be shocked if it was under 10
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Antisemitism has always been a cornerstone of “White replacement theory.” Why do you think the 2017 Charlottesville neonazis were chanting “Jews will not replace us?”
In a separate video of the same event posted by Ryan Matta, he also claims that Hamas and Hezbollah “are coming across” the U.S. border. “Venezuela is filled with Hezbollah,” he said. “Our borders are wide open, it’s our government that’s doing it.” Yon reposted the video with the caption “Allahu Akbar!”
So is it Jews or Hamas/Hezbollah?
They can’t even keep their shit straight that they are telling people. 🤦🏻♂️
They probably don’t know the difference. They’re from the same place after all LoL. These people aren’t smart.
