Same shit, different platform.
For me, it’s great. It’s like Reddit honestly, no matter how many would get offended by the comparison, but that’s how it feels to me. I wasn’t a power user there, and I haven’t been here.
I like reading and finding stuff, and that’s been fun and plentiful here too. The comments are much less numerous, but about the same in terms of their content. At least compared to how it was when I left Reddit, and it’s been a while now, maybe it’s changed.
If I want serious and informative and extremely helpful comments, I’ll hop to hackernews at yc. If so want to know what’s up around the world and see cute cats and a few interesting things besides, I’ll just open lemmy and do a short scroll. If I feel like I need a pick-me-up, I’ll read the comments in anything other than news articles regarding war or politics. I get the same feeling I did back in Reddit. There are legitimately funny comments and jokes and such here, and it’s great for what it is.
I haven’t tried tilde, though I did give it a peek back in the day. I feel perfectly at home and content here, combined with hackernews. It’s enough, and since I mostly just do short scrolls here and there and don’t really doom scroll, it’s just very nice.
I love being here, honestly, and have had no complaints after I got over missing Apollo (the client) and then, for a short period, Memmy.
Once the UX got close to what I like, with Voyager, it’s been nice and cozy.
Haven’t missed Reddit at all. I get the exact same experience here personally.
Lots of actual calls for violence on here and people screaming nazi at anyone who casually disagrees with them.
Reporting the calls for actual IRL violence does nothing, mods don’t seem to respond or take action.
I find that there’s more actual discussion here. On Mastodon most replies are people just agreeing with the OP. That also means people butt heads more. I have found people to be nice here.
I never used Reddit, so I can’t say how different it is compared to Reddit.
I am reading a lot more toxic discussion and really angry people here on lemmy than i did on reddit, which makes me sometimes think i might be at the wrong place. I blocked some of the communities that pull american politics in my feed but still. On reddit, i was good reading just my niche interest subs, but there is very little traffic here for niche stuff, so i end up reading the crazy talk too.
My experience is exactly the same. I find people way more toxic here, and way more extreme discussions. I still reddit more on my PC, RES makes reddit worthwhile, and I’m unsubbed to most of the very popular subreddits, so my feed is mostly tailored to my hobbies and interests, which don’t seem to be either very active here, or don’t exist yet.
Since I don’t reddit on my phone anymore cause I can’t use RIF, I use kbin. But it’s rather lackluster to me.
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Odd, my experience is the opposite. Everyone here is chill and I rarely get flooded with downvotes. I’ve only had one asshole in my replies.
Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works defederated from some of the more problematic instances. You’ll see it happen more on lemmy.ml.
You still see it quite alot on lemmy.world
That hints me that what people here is calling “toxic” is politics-related, since I’m a lemmy.ml user and I certainly would not say that my experience here is overall “toxic”.
And, funnily enough, most of the issues that I had were with users from either lemmy.world or sh.itjust.works; sometimes lemm.ee.
A lot of it politics related in that someone posts something even slightly critical of communism and a ton of people dogpile on them.
There may be toxic 1v1 conversations, but I generally see dogpiling only from one side.
Got it - mostly politics, then. That explains a lot why you guys are seeing far more toxicity than I do, I don’t generally join political discussions. (And when I do, since I’m myself communist, perhaps I don’t even notice it.)
Yeah. If you don’t participate in the discussions and you aren’t likely to get targeted if you do, you probably won’t see it.
I agree with you, for the most part this has been my experience as well.
On lemmy, I’ve literally been told that I should be tortured and nuked because I was born in the US, and then got banned for defending myself.
Yeah I think it’s because there’s so much less engagement here than on Reddit. The same toxic people would have been buried or down voted to hell over there, but here with far far fewer comments those toxic trolls will remain visible and take up a disproportionate amount of any comments section.
There’s also a selection bias thing going on, people who would get shadow banned or downvoted on Reddit find that they get engagement with their content here so stick around, the people who they put off will leave, which causes the toxicity ratio to go up and eventually the place will end up full of toxic commenters and posters. With a federated system this is an incredibly difficult problem to solve.
There’s some interesting musings on how this can affect the development of online spaces here which has stuck with me since I read it. https://eev.ee/blog/2016/07/22/on-a-technicality/
You also have a few things Reddit did or could do that you can’t really do on Lemmy. You also have, with a few exceptions, a rather new moderation team on Lemmy without the years of experience that some Reddit moderators had.
Outside of the mass defederation of any Nazi instances, Lemmy has been a lot weaker on overall moderation.
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The halcyon days lasted about month. After that each post sounded more and more like that 14 year old atheist reading the bible meme.
I find Reddit way more toxic, especially post the purge from the lack of apps. It’s like their moderation ranked or something. It’s probably different in smaller pages, but I’ve found the front page over there is way worse than Lemmy nowadays in terms of quality of conversation.
Given the purge was due to moderator access to API’s, I’m not surprised.
It depends a lot on what you consider “toxic”.
If it’s just about intrusive off-topic political discussion, then I fully agree with you: it’s far more common in Lemmy than in Reddit, and sometimes it reaches a point that even people who’d otherwise enjoy discussing politics roll their eyes and say “not this shit again”.
However, if “toxic” includes other forms of undesirable behaviour, then Lemmy is probably less toxic than Reddit. For example: while sometimes you do see here disingenuous and deliberate stupidity, “waah TL;DR!!”, the “I don’t understand” conveying disagreement, or passive aggressiveness, in Reddit they pop up all the time.
So, what do you consider toxic? Depending on that, the other users’ experiences might be really similar or really different from yours.
intrusive off-topic political discussion
Yeah that is pretty much what i meant.
I’ve noticed an ebb and flow to that. It seems like anger goes down when activity goes up, which is the opposite of what I would usually expect from the internet but that’s how it’s been on here. I have an account where I filter/block things and one where I don’t so I can see what’s really going on, and when there’s too much hate and rage content on the front page I take a break from lemmy for a while.
I think most of the people who say lemmy isn’t toxic at all are probably people who found a bubble where people don’t push back on their personal brand of toxicity very much.
Same. And I like some disagreement as that brings discussion. Lemmy can be pretty toxic if you don’t echo back the expected.
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As a none American, people really need to separate the arseholes, which every country has, and the Americans.
Generally discussion has been more mature and respectful. Still, I think people are more likely to downvote things they disagree with but I think happens more in controversial topics like Threads defederation, Gaza, and politics in general.
If you want to compare to Reddit, they tend to hide comments with negative scores anyway, and though I can’t see the upvote/downvote ratio for comments, having 5 upvotes and 4 downvotes feels worse than 500 upvotes and 400 downvotes. The points don’t matter anyway so don’t even bother worrying about them.
Just be nice and think of the other person.
ETA: You also have to curate your feed a bit to block stuff you don’t want to see, certain accounts and stuff like the immature trolls on hexbear.
I think Lemmy is great, don’t get me wrong!
However, I have never quite seen such a depressing social media site in my life.
Maybe it’s just me, but I’ve found the majority of the humor here is tinged with poisoned irony, misery, and helpless sadness.
I understand the whole “if we don’t laugh over it, we’ll cry about it”–thing, but, man… I came for funny memes and found an ocean of sadness. Feels bad, man.
Not really a place to come to feel uplifted. Would love to see more wholly positive memes & interactions!
I am all for having more people, but being an obscure “site” is a good filter imo.
The Voyager App has some bugs, but for what it is, I’m amazed by the polish.
On Reddit, all I did was look at memes from the top subreddits, spending my day filtering through the vastly unfunny majority. It’s also through memes that I kept up to date with the news.
On Lemmy, I decided to not fall into that sort of doom scrolling again. I blocked all meme communities. I browse through “All” to find any obscure community that peaks my interest, block the ones that don’t and add the ones that do to “Home” or “Favourites”.
This means my feed is much more curated than the slop I was ingesting on Reddit. I still doom scroll sometimes 😅, but it’s better now than it was before, I think.
peaks my interest
Pique - verb - arouse (interest or curiosity). “with his scientific curiosity piqued, he was looking forward to being able to analyse his find”
On Lemmy you can’t even doomscroll. There’s not enough (meme) content to sustain that
Better conversations, and less echo chambers in general. I know exactly who’ll disagree with that notion too, but that has been my experience.
The right-wingers that did come over are obviously butthurt to hell since they can’t abuse the report function and get backed by obviously biased mods like they do on Reddit. It’s easier to simply ignore them here, as well, even though they’re around as always.
Hell, half the comments in this very thread seem to be bitching about “Marxism” like it’s something that anyone gives half a shit about in today’s world. They need their bubble, and they seem to be angry they didn’t get this one, too.
Also people are generally more tech-savvy here than there, for obvious reasons. That’s a plus.
I have been happy to get outside my bubble a little bit. But at the same time, many of the Marxists here seem to be in their own bubble.
I suppose you just don’t see the censorship and raging echo chamber crowd when it’s your own tribe running it. Enjoy the blinders pal.
It’s pretty widely accepted that whatever happens over in the US has ramifications all over the world. My tribe, so to speak, are Swedish speaking Finns, and we’re a very small minority in a country that functions better than most.
It sort of gives one a perspective. The Finns are liberal in some things sure, but very conservative in many ways. We’ll never legalize weed for example, but we also won’t touch abortion rights because that’s just common sense.
That said, in the US my voting pattern would be extreme left sure, because that’s just normal over here. Sadly people are afraid and vote right because immigration, but that’ll stop once everyone realises it doesn’t work, since we still depend on immigration to get jobs filled. Everyone knows it, they just don’t want to say it out loud.
And when the climate really hits us, the clowns will probably be gone anyway. It’s the last gasp we’re seeing right now. Enjoy it while you can.
I think this whole left/right thing is the issue. Stop bundling shit together and work in individual issues yo. Abortion rights is common sense. So is right to bear arms. Somehow we gotta have an XOR gate on this? Lunacy.
Finland is up there on weapons per person in Europe, but it is both expensive and complicated to get that first license. It does get easier the more you are into it, but following all the laws to the letter is, again, expensive as hell.
Meanwhile practically every fighting aged male has had some time on the range and weapon safety drilled into them during their conscription, although some more so than others. It might be an old system, but it works for us. Can’t really see it working in the US, tho, for obvious reasons.
Is it practical? Not really. Do we have a lot of mass shootings? Nope.
Training requirements is practical and good, but restricting based on money is bad. Not only the rich need to defend themselves.
I agree in principle, and the fee in itself isn’t expensive. It’s the fact that you need to buy a safe with a high enough security rating (which they actually do come to check on randomly) and then also another secure place to store ammo in. Legally they have to be separated when not in use.
After that you need an active membership in either a hunting party or a gun sports club, and participate/shoot a certain amount each year to keep the license for your gun. You also have to file and get approved for each individual gun you buy/own.
With all that said though, once you’ve gotten your first license and proved you can handle whatever firearm you got for either purpose it gets easier to get a second one, and then a third, as long as you have a valid enough reason to buy and own whatever gun you’re after.
Most people just start with a .22 and go up from there if it is for sports, or buy a shotgun or rifle for hunting.
As for self defense - it’s practically impossible to get a handgun for self protection purposes in any legal way, unless there are very special circumstances. Owning a gun for self protection is just not a thing people take seriously here, outside certain …groups.
As a sidenote tho, if you know where to look it’s not particularly hard to get a handgun if you want one, you just don’t want to get caught with one, and it’s also not completely trivial to get decent ammo. A black market Glock goes for around 500€ afaik.
Like I said, I agree with you in principle, but like I also mentioned, Finland is very conservative with certain things. This is one of them. I haven’t been shooting for a long time due to medical reasons, so some of this might be out of date. Maybe someone more involved please correct me if I got something wrong.
Self defense and particularly defense against unchecked government is the whole primary point for me. I don’t care to go about shooting animals. Gun sports is cool I guess.
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Much ruder and angrier, and prone to accusations of fascism for any deviation from groupthink. Basically like Reddit but worse, and with less content. Never mind.
I feel like I’ve actually seen less of that so far on Lemmy (at least on lemmy.world), Reddit had gotten really bad about it the past few years to where it was a requirement to add “/s” any time you wanted to make a joke because some dipshit would purposely misconstrue your comment in the worst way possible unless you explicitly identified it as a joke. Maybe it’s still just as bad on other instances or maybe I just haven’t made a bad enough comment on here for people to attack me for supporting the side I’m actually trying to make fun of.
I was discussing this with my husband. I think part of it is that some of the Lemmy crowd came over because they were banned on reddit for being hyper-disagreeable, rude, violent lil bastards.
I came over because I got sick of he-get-sus ads
I think part of it is that some of the Lemmy crowd came over because they were banned on reddit for being hyper-disagreeable, rude, violent lil bastards
this wouldn’t be the first time it happens either
Yeah, I guess aside from fediverse enthusiasts (or whatever), a fair chunk of the early Lemmy adopters may have been banned from Reddit (or at least their favourite subs).
Since the API changes, I wonder if there have been more “normies” moving out this way.
I miss some of the communities I used on reddit that are still either quiet or very quiet over here, but I also recognise that unless I ramp up my participation in them, I haven’t really got grounds to feel negative about that. Besides, using social media less is a plus to me.
I love there’s no ads, tracking and ‘suggestions’ - in short, no algorithm. The apps are (mostly) open source and the community are appreciative of that.
I used to get news from reddit and can get it here too, there’s no difference in quality or quantity. Politically, I appreciate the de-emphasis on hateful content and it helps I’m on an instance where the Admin is on top of their game in that respect. It is noticeably more left-wing on here but since I am too I guess that’s not an issue for me. It’s certainly way better than Reddit in that respect where I’d stumble across fairly extreme right-wing opinions in (supposedly) non political subs every day.
People seem, by and large, much calmer and more reasonable here and less inclined to attack en masse. I’ve noticed a distinct improvement in my overall mental health but I think that might have more to do with not being on reddit than being on here.
Lemmy is what we make it. For those of us who came over in the Summer, Lemmy/KBin is less than 6 months old. Let’s not paint it into being one thing or another just yet.
I’ve found that I rarely get called out for poor spelling or grammar on lemmy compared to other sites. So long as it is pretty obvious what the correct word or grammar is no one cares to mention. The exception is if the mistake is particularly humorous.
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When HBomberguy made his last video, all reddit and discord communities seemingly knew of it without being directly told. Here, I’m not so sure anyone even knows
That’s weird because I was immediately struck by how everyone seemed to know about it here.
Maybe we follow different communities.
