Summary
The Trump Store released $50 “Trump 2028” hats Thursday, sparking backlash online as Trump has repeatedly hinted at running for a third term.
“I have had more people ask me to have a third term,” Trump said on March 31, claiming the 2020 election was “totally rigged.”
Steve Bannon said he’s exploring “five or six different alternatives” to enable a third run.
Critics on social media called it “insane” and a sign of “fascist” ambitions. Though barred by the 22nd Amendment, Trump could run again if it were overturned by Congress and the states. However, it would require a two-thirds vote of Congress and three-fourths vote of the states.
Critics on social media called it “insane” and a sign of “fascist” ambitions.
I don’t believe that ‘being able to be elected by voters one more time’ is even close to being the same as a ‘fascist dictatorship’.
Except it’s not being able to be elected, because he’s served two terms and that limitation isn’t just a law, it’s an amendment. I don’t care how much of congress they control, changing it will require a new amendment and that’s just exceedingly unlikely to happen, much less happen before the end of his current term. So if he can’t change the rules, attempting to stay in power anyway is absolutely fascist dictatorship material.
The first amendment is an amendment but he ignores that one.
Ignoring the law is what makes Trump’s approach dictatorial.
And that’s also fascist. If we’re assembling a list of the fashy shit Trump has done one by one we might be here a while.
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Simple. If done by a single person or small group that is not representative of the whole, it’s facism. If done with the blessing of the people, it’s not.
If trump passed an amendment changing that, and did so by acquiring the proper amount of votes in all areas, that would be fine.
If he does it by saying “I can because I say so”, that’s facism.
I know you’re just being a troll or intentionally ignorant, but that’s the answer. You’re intentionally stripping ALL THE NUANCE out and trying to act naive.
To be fair, that just makes it authoritarian, not fascist. It’s all the other stuff he does combined with that which makes it fascist.
Fair point. I was focusing more on the “with or without the people’s blessing” aspect.
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I don’t believe that ‘being able to be elected by voters one more time’ is even close to being the same as a ‘fascist dictatorship’.
Where was the question? I only see misinformed assumptions and straight falsehoods.
I refer you to my original request about stfu-ing
The 22nd amendment does not prohibit Trump from serving a third term. It prohibits Trump from being elected a third time. Weak ass document.
Your phrasing could use some help, but you’re correct that there is a flaw in the text of the amendment and the Presidenial Succession rules that may allow for shenanigans.
But the clear intent is to prevent 3rd terms, and any attempt to circumvent the amendment is definitely dictator shit.
But the clear intent is to…
And there’s the rub. You have an extremely weak and vague Constitution that everyone has so far just agreed to follow with a wink wink, nod nod. Once the first demagogue showed up, that shit went out the window.
If only it covered vice president succession as well… Oh wait…
What are you talking about? The amendment makes no mention of VP or succession.
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.
This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission to the States by the Congress.
The amendment doesn’t have to because VP already has the same requirements as president in the main body of the Constitution.
Amendments are only the change being made, not reiterating what already existed. VP used to just be the second place in the presidential election.
VP already has the same requirements as president in the main body of the Constitution.
Show me how this keeps Trump from being allowed to succeed into POTUS. Yall are backpedalling because you’ve never actually read the Constitution.
The 22nd amendment prohibits Trump from doing this
No it doesn’t
well sure, but the “main body” (the articles…) does
No, it definitely does prevent him. You can do not serve UP TO half of someone else’s term BEFORE you serve your own two. It’s a total of 10 years, and you cannot be VP if you’re ineligible for President.
Actually, they’re right. The 22nd amendment prevents someone from being elected into office after serving 2 terms or 2 terms and half of someone else’s.
It’s technically silent on being elevated to the Presidency by other means than an election after serving 2 terms.
The real crazy bit is that the Speaker of the House is 3rd in line, and technically doesn’t have to be a member of Congress. So ttechivally the GOP could name Trump Speaker and get rid of POTUS and Veep (through resignation or impeachment/conviction) and have Trump be President again.
That definitely makes it not fascism right? :P
Biggest evidence of fascism I see is a constitution which explicitly enshrines the right to enslave people.
Yep, that’s also pretty fashy, but’s by no means the only fascist issue in this country.
Hitler was elected to office. Being elected doesn’t mean one doesn’t have fascist ambitions.
Incorrect. Hitler never won the elections he ran in. Instead, President Hindenburg appointed him after facing pressure from various directions.
You are correct, his party had won elections.
The point being that elections does not mean one is not a wannabe dictator. Perhaps a better example would be Orbán.
Not everyone is Hitler.
No one disagrees with that. But there are fascists in charge of the USA right now, and they’re apparently modelling much of what they do after Mussolini and Hitler.
Not all fascists are Hitler.
The guy using the same rhetoric as Hitler in his campaigns wishes he was, though…
Did Putin write this?
Seems like there’s a rise of shit takes on Lemmy today.
Edit: … I’m on your side, people, read to the end of this novel of a post.
When Angie entered her 16th year of being German chancellor, USians yelled about dictatorship too. I had several discussions about how simply remaining in power for a long time does not mean one is a dictator, as long as free and equal elections happen. I may not have agreed with CDU voters (ever), I certainly have never voted for them, but tough.
Circumstances in this case however do suggest that he’s trying to overthrow their entire system and this third term stuff is just an overt symptom of a disregard for their constitution.
what are you waffling about!? obviously not the same thing at all
What’s not the same thing? I didn’t say anything was the same thing as another thing?
