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Thousands of Palestinians chanted against Hamas during anti-war protests last week in the Gaza Strip, the biggest show of anger at the militant group since its attack on Israel ignited the war.
Protesters said they were venting anger and desperation as they endure a new round of war and displacement after Israel ended a ceasefire. They leveled unusually direct criticism at Hamas even while remaining furious at Israel, the United States and others for their plight.
Public expressions of dissent have been extremely rare since Hamas seized power in Gaza in 2007. The militant group has violently dispersed occasional protests and jailed, tortured or killed those who challenged its rule. Hamas has faced no significant internal challenge since the start of the war and still controls Gaza, despite losing most of its top leaders and thousands of fighters.
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Oh yeah absolutely, but they’ll never be free under the Israeli boot either, and at least Hamas’s boot won’t starve the whole damn place to death.
I don’t see why, in a world in which the UN, who literally created the State of Israel of thin air, exists, we have to assume that, within or outside of the Palestinian population, Hamas is the only possible interlocutor for Israel.
This is a huge assist to Netanyahu.
Hamas is the only possible interlocutor for Israel.
That’s because almost no established government is willing to support armed resistance against Israel. Dialogue will not save Palestine.
I have the impression you are envisioning a much more violent response to Israel than what is needed or would be actually favorable for the Palestinian population.
Remember that Israel is nothing without what the US and Germany, mainly, provided for decades.
Zios are still nuclear terrorists even without US and Germany.
I have the impression you are envisioning a much more violent response to Israel than what is needed or would be actually favorable for the Palestinian population.
I’m not sure what you mean; what situation are you talking about here? Because under the current status quo Palestinians only have one means of resistance and that’s violence.
Palestinians do, maybe. But the International Community should act to contain that instinct and provide an alternative.
This is not a war to be fought in Gaza, there you can have only massacre.
This war is to be fought in each and every country that deals or passively observes the massacre.
But the International Community should act to contain that instinct and provide an alternative.
Absolutely, but it’s because the international community is colossally dropping the ball there that Palestinians have to resort to violence. I mean if you look at the timeline of these things you’ll notice that the anti-Zionist movement in the West pretty much only appreciably expands when Israel wages “war” in Gaza; this isn’t a war to be fought in Gaza but nothing short of wholesale slaughter of Palestinians is enough to keep the world’s eyes on the region for more than five minutes.
The “international community” is actively supporting this genocide and attacking the many people trying to resist: aid works, ICC, etc.
We are the International community just as much as our Governments, if not more.
The UN didn’t steal the land and commit genocide. That’s pure zionism.
It was passively enabled though.
I actually can’t tell you which one is worse if someone asked me that question. Israel is definitely trying to make nazis proud, but at least they would not personally execute my whole family just because I’m not a muslim who listens to music.
One personally wants to kill me, other one is doing the killings already
While they’re victims, obviously everyone including me leans towards giving Hamas benefit of doubt, but I feel like if roles would be reversed, you’d see a genocide on the levels not redditors could even defend it
Note that I’m not talking about Palestinians, but Hamas, which is a different breed
but at least they would not personally execute my whole family just because I’m not a muslim who listens to music.
Man, they are literally executing anyone they see for just existing in Gaza. Americans, health workers, ambulances. They literally said that babies born in Gaza are already terrorists. They make prisoners confess that they are Hamas by threatening to drone their whole family. So yes, they do execute your whole family just because they live there.
I’m genuinely not aware of most things you mentioned, but to be fair I live in east Europe and my head is full with Russian invasion right now
Then maybe you should not speak of something you don’t know or care about and focus on what is going on around you especially the part where “Israel votes against UN motion condemning Russian invasion of Ukraine”
So you can tell who is worse in this situation? The genocidal invaders, right?
Not much difference.
Gaza already has Christians so clearly they’re not executing people just for not being model Muslims.
you’d see a genocide on the levels not redditors could even defend it
That is simply not based in reality. Hamas does some horrid things don’t get me wrong, but they’re fundamentally an authoritarian state rather than a genocidal state.
And we never saw one turning into the other when authority struggled?
Yes. The zio regime turned genocidal almost immediately upon its inception. It was always the explicit plan.
Mostly no? Struggling authoritarian states seek, among other things, war, but they do not as a rule commit genocide. That’s mostly a fascist thing.
So USSR under Stalin, Sudan, Myanmar, Rwanda, etc. they don’t count?
I never said authoritarian states can’t commit genocide, but rather that they usually don’t use it as a way to support their regimes unless they turn fascist. The Holodomor was a way for Stalin to suppress Ukrainian independence, while the other three were long-running ethnic conflicts exacerbated by malicious and/or incompetent European decolonization.
Splitting hair imho
The point I’m trying to make is that Hamas won’t turn to genocide simply to gain popularity (though I do expect quite a few massacres); either they’ll do it even if they’re popular or they won’t even if they’re unpopular, and I’m leaning towards the latter.
The zio terror regime doesn’t count?
They’re not even a state but an anti-genocide resistance movement.
I actually can’t tell you which one is worse
Who is worse: the people committing genocide or the people suffering from it? It’s not a complicated.
