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Trump’s administration is dismantling disability rights and education. History has shown this can be a warning sign for all civil liberties
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Don’t worry, I was assured by many Very Serious Leftists on here that nothing would change under a Trump presidency and that I was just fearmongering.
Maybe that’s just me but I never saw anyone here say anything about that. I’m pretty sure most Very Serious Leftists will tell you that while nothing would change in Palestine, a lot would change in America.
Unfortunately, if you’re seriously interested, I can give you a long list of examples from pre-election arguments I had with people.
Wait what the shit? I wanna see that.
https://lemmy.world/comment/14674367
We were going to end up in the same place whether democrats or republicans won. It’s just more pleasing to you draped in blue instead of red. I thought maybe TDS democrats would finally start fighting for Palestine once Trump came into office, but they instead turned their derangement on the people who don’t want American to fund and safeguard a genocide. Crazy times we are witnessing.
https://lemmy.world/post/12247352/7775795
This, but unironically. No point in electing a different fascist. We have to cut the tumor out of the body.
https://lemmy.world/post/21302719/13116088
My honest feeling, and this is just speculation, but it seemed like it was easier to organize large protest movements under trump than under Biden. Once Biden got into office all the liberals stopped supporting protest and started defending the status quo.
I doubt it will be as easy in a fascist police state.
America is a fascist police state right now
Police reaction to protests was about the same under both trump and Biden
https://lemmy.world/post/21302719/13108379
The point is nobody is saved by electoral politics instead do actual organizing and actions.
https://lemmy.world/post/20205865/12584685
To leftists that have been paying attention to the DNC’s politics and how they serve the American empire, a DNC win is the “bad guys” winning. Just the same way a GOP win would be.
https://lemmy.world/post/20720227/12824714
If you vote for the lesser of two evils, you deserve to get the greater evil.
https://lemmy.world/post/20720227/12824370
Voting for Trump or Harris is the same result. Some rich ass who doesnt give a rats ass about me or my community and just wants to funnel money to their rich friends. Its like two-faces double headed coin. Neither gives a shit. Fuck both parties and their candidates.
My blood pressure is rising looking back through them, and Lemmy.world having its first outages in two weeks isn’t helping me search, so I’ll leave it here.
Some of these are pretty insane, but some also make sense (especially without the benefit of hindsight). “Nobody is saved by electoral politics” for example is, well… that’s exactly what happened.
“Nobody is saved by electoral politics” for example is, well… that’s exactly what happened.
“Nobody is saved by electoral politics” pretty clearly implies “Nobody can be saved by electoral politics, by the nature of electoral politics in this society”, not “Nobody will be saved by electoral politics in this election, because I believe firmly in the inevitable victory of the immeasurably worse candidate to win by 2% of the vote”
As someone who’s been predicting Harris would lose since August, both are true. Also rather than “in this society” it’s “everywhere”. The way I like to put it is that electoral politics is only the victory lap; you go out and do activism work, build a base of support, spread your ideas, create a movement, negotiate with or (metaphorically or literally) come to blows with the establishment and finally ask people to vote for you or your ideas in the election. So with that in mind, nobody anywhere is saved by electoral politics alone because whether you win or lose in the election hinges on doing the actual hard work before and during campaign season. And if you want to ask “do I need to do all this when my idea is that I want to stop fascism”, the answer is I think quite demonstrably yes.
As someone who’s been predicting Harris would lose since August, both are true.
… not unless you think that the election of Harris would have resulted in the same scenario we’re facing now?
Also rather than “in this society” it’s “everywhere”. The way I like to put it is that electoral politics is only the victory lap; you go out and do activism work, build a base of support, spread your ideas, create a movement, negotiate with or (metaphorically or literally) come to blows with the establishment and finally ask people to vote for you or your ideas in the election. So with that in mind, nobody anywhere is saved by electoral politics alone because whether you win or lose in the election hinges on doing the actual hard work before and during campaign season.
That’s generally not what people mean when they say ‘electoral politics’ though. When they say ‘electoral politics’, they are generally talking about the entirety of electoral politics, not just election day. “You will never destroy the master’s house with the master’s tools” is how they usually put it. They are not advocating for a more robust participation in bourgeois democracy, they are advocating for revolutionary action and, quite explicitly, the total rejection and nonparticipation in civic affairs under current government structures.
The non-insane version is ‘harm reduction’, wherein participation in bourgeois democracy is permissible so long as you don’t confuse it for an end goal or a primary means.
Where Palestine goes, we all go.
Until everyone who really believes in freedom and liberty understands that, good luck out there.
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Some were just garden-variety idiots.
Not all idiots are tankies but…
