• @Grimy@lemmy.world
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    710 months ago

    Clearly, a good portion of the population isn’t aware of how serious the situation is, it’s still an election issue.

    If the right level of awareness was reached, having any kind of oil money around you would be a political death sentence. Instead, Trump has public bribe meetings with oil execs and his base grows because of it.

    • Flying Squid
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      -310 months ago

      Ok, now please explain, since no one else will, why pissing people off is a good way to achieve that.

      Have you ever convinced anyone of something by pissing them off?

      • @Grimy@lemmy.world
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        710 months ago

        They said the same about woman and gay rights movements. You can’t make noise, block traffic or even talk about it without pissing people off.

        Not to mention most of the anger is manufactured by oil execs and then enabled by people with little to no proper reasoning skills.

        • Flying Squid
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          -410 months ago

          That’s a little different from disrespecting a religious festival, isn’t it?

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            Pivoting into religious rights about the summer solstice celebration. That’s a stretch if I’ve ever seen one. I don’t see why religious monuments should be exempt from harmless protests but I really doubt you would have called stone hedge one yesterday if it wasn’t for it suiting your argument today.

            Is that your stance. You are pissed because you think the religious rights of the revelers got trampled on?

      • @skulblaka@startrek.website
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        310 months ago

        MLK advanced civil rights by being a nuisance. Gandhi pushed Britain out of India by being a nuisance. I’m sure there are others.

        It is in the nature of protest to be disruptive. It has to be. If it isn’t, it gets ignored. Climate change is getting ignored. What would you rather they do, go deface an oil refinery? That’ll just get them arrested and the news suppressed. Big public displays that can’t be hushed are the only way to make sure your message reaches the world. These folks have been considerate enough to make sure that message didn’t permanently damage its canvas. I don’t know what more you could ask from them.

        • Flying Squid
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          210 months ago

          I said I was glad it wasn’t damaged. I don’t know what more you could ask from me.

      • @matthewmercury@reddthat.com
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        210 months ago

        Why are you more angry about a stunt that did no damage than you are about actual ecological damage done by oil companies for profit?

        • Flying Squid
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          110 months ago

          It works for them because they have trillions of dollars at their disposal. The activists do not.

            • Flying Squid
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              110 months ago

              I’m not seeing oil companies convincing lots of people that they’re benevolent when they do bad things. Especially not after an oil spill. So your claim that that’s what they’re doing doesn’t make much sense to me.

                • Flying Squid
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                  110 months ago

                  They don’t convince people we need their product. We don’t have a choice but use their product. I don’t make ICEs cheaper than EVs. I don’t get to choose what my power company decides to use to generate electricity. I don’t get to tell corporations across the business spectrum not to use plastic.

                  Those are not choices I get to make. Or you.

                  Also, it’s interesting how you skipped from people to governments as if there’s no difference.

                  I’m not sure why you think any significant number of people like oil companies. Do you have any hard data to support that or is it just this sort of conjecture?

      • @Daxtron2@startrek.website
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        110 months ago

        The message is that people care more about non-damaging vandalism to famous objects than they do about climate change which will cause irreparable damage to many of these same objects, be it through hazardous weather, rising seas, or global conflict.

        • Flying Squid
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          110 months ago

          The message seems to be that I care more about it, which is just a lie people are accusing me of.

            • Flying Squid
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              210 months ago

              You might tell that to all the people who are acting like I don’t give a shit about climate change rather than just questioning some activists’ methods.