Programmers can answer all existential questions with ease
Make a deep clone
No more than identical twins are the same person.
Scientifically speaking, identical twins are clones, so yes, I agree
Isn’t it illegal to clone humans or something?
To my knowledge, yes. The act of cloning is illegal, which means something like creating a clone artificially. The existence of clones isn’t
Yeah. It tends to be difficult to make natural biological processes illegal.
Except with cloning the other twin would be a different age as with current tech the clone is back to being a baby. You’d need rapid growth tech and mind transfer tech to at least make the clone have the same age, memories and personality, although that would most likely introduce other differences.
Nothing more than bootstrapping the data for some integration testing
So, less than an identical twin is the same person. The criterion above still holds.
There is at least one case of parents, told at a very early stage that they’re expecting twins, deciding to remove and freeze one of the embryos for later reimplantation, so even with actual identical twins, they can be different ages.
But yes, transferring minds is not something we can do. I’m not sure it’s something we’ll ever be able to do.
Should it actually become possible, I assume that certain parties would even advocate for the unique life/lives of the clone(s). The argument would be that the clones’ chance at life shouldn’t be overwritten by other being’s attempts at extension of life.
“Ethical minefield” doesn’t even begin to cover it!
Did you remember to override .Equals and .GetHashCode?
Is it a copy or a hardlink?
If you copy by reference there’s still only one person.
What is clone by reference?
Hive mind
We are all one.
You in the mirror.
Technically the Borg
It’s not, it’s a copy, but if you think all consciousness is the same, then maybe.
The real answer btw is no, cloned animals aren’t identical to their original, same base traits, but for example in cows spot position will be different
Also unless you can copy their memories, they just won’t be the same person.
And then they’d have two different life experiences and would immediately begin to differ.
So it’s kind of like the moment of inception is the memory reference, and they won’t ever be the same?
They’re now two people who will love two different lives, they will naturally begin to diverge
And we also change every milisecond. How long this process takes? It may seem irrelevant but copy of you 5 seconds ago is not you now. It’s your restored back up.
Unless your pause execution of the original or there’s an ongoing synchronization during the cloning process
Sync would lag anyway, I think, if we are pedantic.
Pausing the execution of the original via execution solves the problem of who’s original here tho. One’s still functioning.
Well it depends on the method of sync… Doing it through updates would lag, but what if it was through something like quantum effects, or even by treating both bodies and brains like a contiguous organism until the cloning is complete? Like with a cell dividing, there’s no original
They are, on the exact moment they are cloned. On the next attosecond they are not.
Edit: Well, if they are cloned on the cellular level, otherwise it’s just NO.
What if they’re placed into two completely identical environments?
What if it happened already?
Quantum multiverse theory says that happens all the time.
Is there a universe where that doesn’t happen all the time?
Well, an infinite multiverse doesn’t mean there’s a universe for every concept, just that there’s an infinite number of multiverses, and a quantum multiverse only guarantees a universe for every possible series of events (except those that necessarily lead to that universe’s destruction.)
Except in the universes where that’s different, of course : )
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Maybe something else would be different on the other side of the universe
Why cellular level?
Environment affects gene expression so cloning below the cellular level (genetic cloning) results in an individual that does not have the same developmental changes caused by environmental factors that the original had. With current technology genetic cloning has been done and cellular cloning is not possible.
You have no idea what cloning is, right? You’re too young to remember Dolly
bahhh
If you just clone a reference to them, then you are just pointing another finger at them.
Is this really an analogy that resonates with programmers today?
If you clone a reference to someone you have a completey separate body but any actions taken affect the original as well
I believe it is just a wormhole pointing to the original so even if it may look like another body it’s just the original being manipulated through the warped spacetime continuum
Why would the clone be connected…?
Because it’s only a reference to the original.
Okay, now do the Trolley Problem.
easy:
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Imagine if you saw someone who looked exactly like you and mimicked your exact actions, but they were just 3 or 4 feet to the left of you. That’s by reference (I think)
Contrasting an exact copy of you that can think for itself and has autonomy, which is by value (I think)
By value could be described as, the exact same as you at the time of cloning, but it will be its own object and in no way connected to your actions.
Whereas by reference would be exactly what you described
Huh. Now my confusion about the chicken and the egg debate makes a lot more sense, it seems odd to me that such an easily answered question ended with so much confusion
I’m now realizing it’s only a debate with non programmers, I thought it was a mutual ADHD communication thing, now I’m realizing maybe it’s just because they learned about inheritance
If you clone them, you’ll lose their functions.
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/76908/trouble-star-trek-transporters
If the transporter takes all the atoms that make up a person, encodes them, beams them somewhere else, and then reassembles them, how can we know that the resulting “person” is the same person who went in?
That’s some funny shit… XD
