• kam
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    32 years ago

    So, I just noticed my comment got removed because some mod interpreted it as me saying the Palestine Genocide is complicated. Where did I once state it is complicated?? I just wanted to analyze it through to the best of my knowledge and even remained open to criticism.

    This is blatant silencing in my opinion, to the mod who deleted it, I publicly ask you to message me, to tell me your full reasoning behind this so we can civilly discuss it in private. Also, to remind, I clearly don’t support any sort of genocides, they are disgusting and horrendous.

    Outside of that, have a nice day/night.

    • Vode An
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      lol, lmao even. There should be a rule that people have to link their comments if they want to whinge and be disingenuous about moderation.

      The comment in question

      CW: genocide apologia

      I feel like commenting on the situation is important, due to I think the vast majority of commenters are too ideologically fanatical against both or one side(Either you support Palestine or support Israel) that is so polarized. This was happened before in other ways, believe me. Look at the 20th century history of general region alone(I am referring to the Eastern Mediterranean), notice a pattern? I do. So, before hand I am giving this disclaimer, to some of you that will sound “Islamophobic” and anti-muslim and that kind of stuff and might be considered “hate speech”. I am basing it upon current events and past events that are im part of my historical knowledge, so correct me to any inaccuracies, but please provide sources to these so I can study these better. (Do note this doesn’t focus directly on Islam, but I am putting disclaimers anyways)* *Corrections, it is in general sensitive topics, relating to genocides, war and the like. If you are sensitive towards any of these topics, please click off for your own good, otherwise proceed. And I will make it clear I don’t support either sides, I just want a two state solution in a way, ideally a federation will do the best job I believe. Any further corrections/changes will be noted there. – ::: spoiler spoiler ___ So, the entire shitfuckery roots on the basis of religious and ethics conflicts at its core manipulated by third parties. I will be referring to the current ongoing 21th once again started genocide of the Armenians by the Azerbaijani Government and Military, the basis of is of ethnic, but as stated as above…rooted in religion and possibly other reasons, including propaganda. You have to look further back in the 20th century alone to see, where, alone whole entire native populations were kicked out of native lands because of religion and the fucking interest of the Big Powers(At the time Britain, France and some other I can’t remember), that was amidst WWI and shortly afterwards. I am referring to the Armenian Genocide, but…it was not only them affected. Many of these people were the Christian populations of Minor Asia, that included the Armenians. Religion was everything in terms of division, but peace was there, it was fragile in truth. And so the Big Powers, manipulated them the same ways the Nazis demonized the Jews, this lead to infighting between the populations, and it lead to some very horrible things in there…the same went to the opposite side. To note it was during sunset years of the Ottoman Empire. And I will be focusing on the religious aspect for a bit. There were shitty people from groups, and the like. In general, the rich are to blame in terms. But also Religion, why though? Religion is the root causation of countless infighting for centuries on end between ethnic groups, the same applies to the Palestinians and Israelis whether you want it or not, the religious animosity of Jews and Muslims can’t be ignored, and so once again the Great Powers came into the equation, in one side we got the USA, being the modern day imperialists they are, manipulate the situation at hand making Israel as a country in a way their “pet” to put it lightly and use this country as a scapegoat for furthering their own agendas. At the hand, we got Palestine, who would have you guessed it, has some pretty notable jihadists popular as leaders, I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest if the Hamas “went to bed” with some other Great Power to get funding and manipulate the agony of the Palestinians towards the Israeli civilians and alike. They are not any better than any other islamic terrorist organization in regards of humans rights mind you, they want an islamic emirate where people like us(LGBTQ+, any other religious group, women and the like) are oppressed and treated worse than their fucking pets. And cleanse ethnically any other groups that what they consider “true” Palestinian. To my fellow Left Wingers, do you know easy is it to be labelled as that? As an undesirable? Since when these type of people(far-right) our friends? Never. You can easily be next in their list. Israel is not innocent also. There is no true justification in blatant of derooting people of their homes, I can understand the military due past history of hostile neighbors(Let’s not look any further a bit up north), but for many things, not really. But, I have not lived there in both Israel and Palestine to fully know. So, what I am trying to achieve by saying all of this? We need to look up at the true perpetrators at hand and work together to stop, including the local ones. In the end for peace in the region to the be finally achieved is we need to go past our luring nightmares of the past and march forward all together at hand and do what these fuckers don’t want us to do: Working together. No one is innocent truly. No one. I am saying as someone who’s from this general region and the same happens at here with the neighbors across the same sea we share, many of the youth doesn’t want infighting and we need realize how truly not so different we are as people. Let’s hope in the future this all become something we laugh about in late night drinking, where we all drunkenly tease each other with no malice behind it and are all friends, with the nightmare long since over, now belonging to the history books for the future generations to look back upon and remind themselves why it is better for us to be allies than enemies. ::: I hope this gets my point across, and no TL;DR. And if there any issues regarding rule breaking, please tell me down in the replies.

      • kam
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        02 years ago

        Excuse me, but apparently you interpreted my words as that? Let me clarify: I never in the slightest intended to pass of as that, I don’t know how you saw my comment as this. What I intended is point out the centuries long conflicts and one of the reasons they still continue to this very day and a strong desire for all of this end. Do you think I don’t support the Palestinians right to fight? I pointed out that the Hamas is not a good solution as that and could easily lead to something much worse than before, as seen in other cases, if you think that’s the nuance.

        I swear, I will repeat myself one final time: I just want finally all this to end. For peace to come forth all sides and for cooperation to bloom for centuries to come.

        If you consider this stance genocide apologia, you better be laughing at my face. I no longer want genocides to happen anymore in this region, already many have happened due to many reasons. I hope this have clarified some of what I meant. Also, don’t jump immediately in conclusions, that’s what I gave a disclaimer in my OG comment that got deleted and remained open to any constructive criticism there. Now, have a nice day/night.

  • @zephyreks@lemmy.mlOPM
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    202 years ago

    Israeli air raids have hit the Gaza Strip after Hamas announced the start of Operation Al-Aqsa Flood against Israel.

    The group running the besieged enclave says it has fired thousands of rockets towards Israel. Several casualties have been reported.

              • Kuori [she/her]
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                212 years ago

                okay well thanks for your prognostication but israel is doing a genocide now

                what may or may not happen in the future according to the world’s least informed dipshit is irrelevant

              • SexMachineStalin [comrade/them]
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                When the Apartheid rule in South Africa ended, a “Truth and Reconciliation Commission” was set up to prevent just this kind of retaliation from materializing. Even the Big Black Book of why Israel is peepeepoopoo according to South Africa that I have, even suggests also setting up a Truth and Reconciliation Commission for this same reason for when Palestine is liberated.

                However, you are more than likely engaging in a bad-faith argument, so…

                PIGPOOPBALLS PIGPOOPBALLS PIGPOOPBALLS

              • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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                152 years ago

                I know it’s unlikely to happen, but you liberals should really start asking yourselves why these sort of hypothetical scenarios are required to justify your worldview.

                • huf [he/him]
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                  142 years ago

                  they’re in constant state of terror to the tune of “they’ll do to us what we did to them!”

                  see also US slaveowners with their constant fantasizing about slave revolts, and their increased brutality to the enslaved to prevent it.

                  see also ancient spartans living in constant terror of a slave uprising and brutalizing their enslaved populations.

                  see also current US whites malding about the non-white population rising…

                  always the same shit with these fucks.

            • Frogmanfromlake [none/use name]
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              222 years ago

              Have libs really begun to abuse the word “genocide” so badly that an act of war by itself against an oppressive state is now considered genocidal?

    • @rjs001@lemmygrad.ml
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      122 years ago

      Not just without Israel but where every single colonizer is either doing hard labor to pay for their crimes, deported to Europe or dead

  • @kemsat@lemmy.world
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    182 years ago

    It’s almost like people don’t like it when a bunch of outsiders move into their land & kick them off.

  • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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    852 years ago

    “We know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians … Choose peace rather than confrontation. Except in cases where we cannot get, where we cannot proceed, or we cannot move forward. Then if the only alternative is violence, we will use violence.”

    • Nelson Mandela

    I guess the time has come where Palestinians cannot move forward, and have to use violence.

      • pips
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        22 years ago

        Israel has labeled BDS, the actual peaceful option, terrorism.

      • @TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
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        122 years ago

        Israel is funded and propped up by USA. How are you expected to turn USA and Anglos against USA, when they support Ukraine and Israel, both run by Zionist heads? (Zelensky is a Zionist.)

          • @TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
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            Blacks allow West to portray itself as an inclusive culture, because of centuries of European exploitation being historically known to the world. Israel allows USA to fund and commit cyber terrorism globally, bully Iran for the “oil” and “influence” Middle East affairs. Complete Palestine colonisation is the goal of Israel and its military funder USA.

            Netanyahu could be assassinated tomorrow and replaced by another US puppet.

      • queermunist she/her
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        “World opinion”

        I think you mean ‘the opinion of the US and it’s allies.’ The world is much bigger than that, and opinions about Israel in the rest of the world are not great.

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        The Palestinians are a sovereign people being genocided by an occupying armed force. What are they supposed to do? Just wait there patiently to be exterminated one by one?

        This could easily be stopped by Israel just getting the fuck out of Palestinian land.

      • @GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml
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        Remember when Israel just mowed down peaceful protestors after Trump moved the American embassy to Jerusalem? That embassy hasn’t been moved back under a Democratic president, either.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018–2019_Gaza_border_protests

        This is but one example, under a climate of constant incursion into Gaza and stealing ever more land. That’s what Israeli settlements are, after all. They claim land from Palestinians, force them out of their homes, then move in Israeli families.

        Anything Hamas does is self-defense.

      • Bnova [he/him]
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        602 years ago

        Yeah totally, words are a war crime. Get a grip you’re hysterical.

        • Grayox
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          Right?!? Literally the most reactionary take possible, acting like Isreal hasn’t done anything wrong to the Palestinians, or had gaza under crippling sanctions for decades…

          • Also, too bad this place isn’t moderated, getting hard to choose between it and Reddit

            Then go back to reddit then and spare us your concern troll moaning in support of a genocidal ethnostate. Any violence done by Palestinians is self defense at this point.

            Also, this place is heavily moderated, it’s just not an echo chamber where you’re going to see nothing but opinions identical to your own (dogshit) worldview. Yes, your first comment was removed, as well it should have been. farquaad-point

      • @ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub
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        622 years ago

        Palestinians: got their land stolen by Israel

        Israel: Surprised stealing people’s land makes them want to shoot you

        SurprisedPikachu.png

        • gravitasium
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          Yes, the land is stolen. Yes, resistance is legitimate. No, murder of civilians is not acceptable, no matter which side does it.

          Would you really hold the same view if native Americans massacred American civilians in the US today?

          • autismdragon [he/him, comrade/them]
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            292 years ago

            Personally my stance isn’t so much that I think its “acceptable” as I think its “an unfortunate reality”. Revolutions are not clean, ever. Individuals involved in it do bad things. Holding the oppressed to the standards of having a completly clean revolution (impossible) is just counterproductive. I support the revolutionaries even if not every action they take is morally right. I dont withdraw my support for something that is good on the whole because of individual acts that are not good.

            Its also worth noting that Israel chose to put civilians on the front lines of a settler project, and that this is kind of the obvious consequence of that. It can easily be argued, I think correctly, that they wanted this so they could look like the victims. Despite them being the oppressors.

          • @ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub
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            Yeah you’re right your right I’m just being a shitter sorry

            However, your last question is a little interesting. I would support it If native Americans were slaughtering Americans while they were still stealing their land. Israel is contemporary colonialism, and because they can get away with it and still be the victims, that is white supremacy

          • Kuori [she/her]
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            192 years ago

            if u.s. “civilians” were intentionally aiding in the genocide their government is carrying out? yes, killing them would be 100% justified, no matter who did it or when.

      • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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        “It is of no use for Israel to talk of peace, if they still hold onto the Arab territories of which they conquered.”

        Want to guess who said this one?

        The Palestinians have been pushed to breaking point by decades of apartheid. Obviously terrorist acts and killing civilans by any side is unjustifiable, but general Palestinian resistance against Israeli military targets and soldiers is self defence at this point. And let’s be very clear, you can’t steal Palestinian people’s homes, kick Palestinians out of their land, and joyfully watch Palestinians being bombed in an open air concentration camp , which Israeli settlers have been doing to Palestinians, and not expect a response in turn. You reap what you sow.

  • @artaxthehappyhorse@lemmy.ml
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    122 years ago

    I remember being in school back in like 97,98 the teacher would turn on the news in first period. All I remember was everyday that school year there was coverage of Israel and Gaza blowing each other up.

  • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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    392 years ago

    I’m looking up combat footage in Telegram, and it ain’t looking pretty for the Zionists. You can tell the Palestinians caught them completely off guard with all the dead IDF solders lying in the pool of their blood without combat gear or even pants. Paper tigers always act tough until the colonized fight back, then they’re cowering in garbage bins or taking the first flight back to the US and Europe.

    The million dollar question is whether the US will write off Ukraine as a loss in order to bolster its most prized proxy state or whether the US will continue to stretch itself thin by fighting multiple fronts.