There’s some misinformation floating around regarding Lemmy not having a karma system. While many have discovered otherwise, this is for those who may not have.
While it’s not exposed in the Lemmy default user interface, Lemmy does have a fully functional karma system and it is visible in third party clients such as WefWef and Memmy.
Do with that what you will.
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as an ex-Redditor and used to be a karma whore myself, I find this disgusting. If you want a karma system, go back to Reddit.
I used to create a new account on reddit every few years to “reset” my Internet presence.
Didn’t give a shit about karma, still don’t.
When you need a bit more, there are a couple of ways you can do a quick search/copy/paste as new jokes/memes pop up and you get votes for the Lolz. Easy to farm a couple of hundred or more each time.
However, by talking sense in r/Thailand (i.e. from a perspective of someone who actually LIVES here) and call out stupid bullshit posts from wannabes (people who know everything about a country after a week’s holiday in a whore hole) and you’ll get a hundred downvotes in ten seconds.
Karma is crap.
Reminds me of California and Bay Area related posts. 98% of the people have never even been there and just lie and exaggerate its problems.
Same here. If any of my friends correctly identify my username as me, my annual account reset puts them back to square one…not that my accounts were anything but completely tame.
Also nice username!
Also nice username!
right back at you!
Pretty sure this is just the apps adding up all the upvotes/downvotes you receive and not an actual Lemmy feature.
It’s right in the API: https://join-lemmy.org/api/interfaces/PersonAggregates.html
Returns: comment_count, comment_score, id, person_id, post_count, post_score
I’m a karma whore, and I love this
I bet you made this comment just to receive more upvotes.
You sir have deciphered my life purpose
Well, I completely ignored karma on Reddit for around a decade, until a friend one day pointed my huge karma out to me in a very enthusiastic way. I believe I will also ignore it here.
With Reddit, though, some subreddits required a minimum amount of karma to post, whereas if you have access to an instance you can post freely.
So it’s more a user rating of “this was good/how have you survived until this point” than a gatekeeping device: you, as a poster, can freely ignore your points and the points of others if you don’t care.
Plus, at least in the web interface, there no cumulative total of karma for an account, just on individual posts and comments.
I know I’m in the minority here, but I think the karma system has value and I’d like to see us keep it. I did time as a moderator on a fairly busy subreddit, and requiring accounts to be >30 days old and have >100 or so karma saved us a lot of work. E.g., it made ban evasion a little harder to do, and reduced brigading.
It also helped to keep folks fairly civil and promoted considering perspective when posting, which I think is valuable.
With that said, I’d LOVE to allow communities to disable down votes… it’s a missing feature in reddit, and if you are trying to promote discussion of a divisive topic, or to actively suppress an echo chamber, I think down votes are counter productive.
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Requiring accounts with X days or X karma lead to subs where people would literally post just to get upvotes and the creation of bot accounts.
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Yer, great way to kill momentum of a new community that is built around discussion.
You had my approval until: I’d LOVE to allow communities to disable down votes…
No… Just No…
So no free and open discussion then? Only approved group think will be allowed?
I understand the benifits of what you are asking, but those are the very things that lead Reddit to what it is now.
Requiring basic levels of karma or age is not “group think.”
requiring basic levels of karma most certainly is. You have to say the right things first to get the group approval before you can contribute.
requiring basic levels of karma most certainly is. You have to say the right things first to get the group approval before you can contribute.
Again, I disagree. You can say the “right things,” certainly, or you can say “neutral things.” Really anything short of overt hostility would be acceptable.
I think that is too idealistic. It could very easily go into a downward spiral that a community could never get out of. It happens already on several subreddits already. You may not have experienced it, but I can say it for certain happens. There have even been scifi series written about it that have taken the concept to the extreme.
I think that is too idealistic. It could very easily go into a downward spiral that a community could never get out of. It happens already on several subreddits already. You may not have experienced it, but I can say it for certain happens. There have even been scifi series written about it that have taken the concept to the extreme.
I’m familiar with some of the subreddits, but I believe you’re taking the spiral too steeply and too quickly.
The “don’t be a dick” philosophy will get you more than enough karma to comment on whatever subreddit you want to participate in, outside of some super niche ones.
But not ‘being a dick’ is far too subjective in a global village… The world does not beat to one drum.
I have to stand on eggshells with my language around USamericans as an example.
If you have controversial opinions just post them on controversial subs as well. A large part of “the right things” depends on the “right community”
Sorry, what? That’s the opposite of my point. I think most subs benefit from outright trolling and off topic nonsense being prohibited, but my issue is that downvotes promote group think, and on a discussion sub, you should be able to limit or remove them.
How does requiring a minimum account age cause group think?
It was more of a response to the minimum account karma.
Account age is reasonable enough, after the service has grown a bit more.
However, if people start getting banned for the wrong reasons and have to create new accounts to be able to have discussion. It does create a barrier for that discussion to take place.
It is seriously difficult to have negative account karma on reddit unless you are an outright troll.
if people start getting banned for the wrong reasons
What would be good or bad reasons?
Voat had a system where you only had ten downvotes a day. Kept people in check
Voat
Kept people in check
I don’t think so dude.
requiring accounts to be >30 days old and have >100 or so karma saved us a lot of work. E.g., it made ban evasion a little harder to do, and reduced brigading.
Counter-point: Requirements such as these were the reason repost/copy-paste bots were getting so rampant on Reddit.
Kinda, but not really… if you are a user who has had your account for more than 5 minutes and you’re not a troll, odds are you never run into those rules.
The repost / copy paste bots were mostly to build a believable strawman that could be sold for astroturfing / “viral marketing”, etc.
yeah, like if we pick a certain flair, down votes will be disabled to prevent echo chamber for a certain conversation
I’d LOVE to allow communities to disable down votes…
Upvote-only system is bullshit and you also know it. How else would you motivate user to post a quality content? Karma should also exist for this exact reason.
I don’t want yet-another-facebook-or-youtube here. 🤷
Not every sub is for “quality content”, some subs are intended for debate / dialogue between people that disagree with each other, and use the downvote button to mean “disagree” … which means if you are coming for a quality dialogue, you tend to only see a quality monologue unless the user base is split 50/50 on the topic, which is rare.
Being left on one would be the equivalent of being downvoted. What’s the difference? Downvotws often just serves as a fuck you, and makes people feel like they’re being attacked.
People that post quality content don’t tend to care about internet points. People that care about internet points won’t bother to collect them via posting quality content.
Downvote systems can also discourage open discussion, as too many people can’t help themselves from downvoting dissenting views. Communities end up one sided hiveminds.
Maybe there is a middle ground, perhaps downvotes could be rationed instead of outright disabled.
I think downvote rationing could work, possibly. It is only an issue for subs that are focused on discussion of divisive topics… downvotes work fine for most communities
Should probably be a per-server karma system. Or else anyone could create their own instance and auto-give themselves enough karma to be “trustworthy” and set their account date.
Definitely seems like that would end with defederating that server
Good luck detecting it
This is already possible on a per-server basis. Beehaw already does this.
It would be interesting to make it a per-community feature though.
My points have reset a couple times over the last couple weeks, so they don’t mean much.
Apparently “something” goofed things up with regards to the tallies with the 18.1 updates. Noticed a script that reconciled things published to Lemmy Support this morning for a short-term fix. Whether there will be a great reconciliation baked in to the system or not, in the future, remains to be seen.
I don’t really care. My primary account was on vlemmy, but that seems to be dead now.
How accurate is it? I use Memmy and after an update I went from 50ish points for comments to 3. I just checked on Wefwef and it shows that same score as well, so I’m unsure what happened. I didn’t delete or change anything
I don’t really care about karma, I actually would prefer if neither of them had it visible, but I’m interested to know what happened
Honestly is it even worth anything? Even on reddit I didn’t really pay attention to how much karma a user had, maybe when I wanted to check if it was a bot or something.
I’d check sometimes whether someone had a history and how long their account had been around, but 18,000 vs 80,000 or 800,000 is super meaningless to me. Personally I’d delete my accounts every 1-6 months. It was a pain to start over but after that, so what. Reddit is practically anonymous. Posts and comments stand on their own to me… it’s not about the reputation of the author.
When it comes to gauging advice, or doing something like buying or trading used goods it was helpful as a proxy for trustworthiness. Older accounts with good karma are a lot less sketchy than brand new accounts.
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Not talking about votes on specific comments. Talking about profile aggregation. I’ve done vinyl trades, clothing swaps, hired people to 3d print things, etc. For those kinds of interactions you aren’t looking at the quality of one specific post, but want to validate that it’s not a temporary account for a scam and that the user generally cares about the reputation of their name on the platform.
Yeah but that can be determined just by account age and number of posts, not by the public reception of those posts.
With the exception of if someone has negative karma, that’s a decent indication that they’re being unpleasant on purpose.
You’re right, didn’t think about that.
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I really like this system as a bonus points, a thing you gain from being an active member, I know it can be abused and bring karma-whore, but I really hope they will not remove it in the future.
Agreed. I’m not immune to the rush of seeing a post take off as a bonus reward for contributing. I also find it helpful in communties that deal in factual information as a loose system of trustworthiness.
In Lemmy, karma is not important.
Alignment, however, is paramount.
Mine seems to be chaotic ADHD asshole. Wait, is this even a proper alignment?!
Does it have any effect - e.g. on the visibility of posts? I don’t care about karma, but I do wish the web UI would hide comments with large numbers of downvotes.
I don’t. I have a lot of really unpopular opinions and it’s important to me that everyone knows about them.
If you’ve got a few minutes to chat I can give you the gist.
Upvotes are useful for determining what people like and dislike so you can sort posts and comments.
Karma is just a bad way to have someone crucified for expressing an unpopular opinion… anyone remember COVID?
Whatever your opinion (and mine was unpopular - still is, as many Thai’s STILL wear masks in the street - even if they’re walking down the middle of an empty street FFS) a recent study has proven me right - the lockdown did sweet FA (maybe a 1% reduction in deaths from COVID, but an increase from 1.5% to 40% in mental disorders reported in 18-45 year old people and MASSIVE economic and educational damage.
Yeah that was kind of my point. What floofloof is suggesting is porting over the worst feature of reddit. The one that literally creates a hivemind. Not interested in that at all.
One thing I love about the fediverse is I dont have to give a fuck about karma
WE WILL MONITOR YOU FOR YOU.
